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"our hot SF-area subs (from eros)"
 
   Looking through eros-guide, there are 3 subs that I find more attractive than just about any of the dommes -- Isabelle, Vivian, and Slavegirl. I'm bummed, kinda wish they were at least switches!

With dommes, they at least will touch you under the guise of CBT. With subs, I guess there's no such opportunity. Anyone sessioned with a sub, that can give a description of what it's like? thanks!

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1. "Guise? Surely you jest!"
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LAST EDITED ON 20-Jul-02 AT 09:52 PM (PDT)

CBT ain't no guise for touch-- at least not the way I do it! (tight ropes, crop smackings and lead weights, anyone?)
Love, Mistress Alyssa
ps- And I agree, Isabelle is amazingly beautiful!

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2. "Figured I'd better add this as well"
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Just to bring up the point to anyone who reads this and may not realize it- yes, looks are part of a fantasy, but there is MUCH more to a dominatrix than that. Skill level, experience, play styles, creativity and available equipment are just some of the factors one considers when choosing a domme. Domination can be a transformative experience.

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3. "Response"
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   I was a bit too flippant with the remark about "guise of CBT", and it was unfair, my bad.

Also, I agree with your remarks below, whole-heartedly. And looks always matter more to me early in the relationship. Skill and chemistry take over after that. That said, this is still a sexual experience for me, and there's a certain level of beauty and appeal to me that the mistress has to have, below which no level is skill or chemistry will make up.

I find it difficult to "connect" with a domme on the first session. The sexier she is to me, the easier time I have of it. Which is why I pointed out those subs.

>Just to bring up the point
>to anyone who reads this
>and may not realize it-
>yes, looks are part of
>a fantasy, but there is
>MUCH more to a dominatrix
>than that. Skill level, experience,
>play styles, creativity and available
>equipment are just some of
>the factors one considers when
>choosing a domme. Domination can
>be a transformative experience.


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5. "RE: Response"
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I appreciate your willingness to look at all points. As to the not connecting on the first session, have you ever spoken to a new domme about this during negotiation? I don't mean to go over old territory if you already have, but I've found in my sessions it often helps. There are many subtle ways in which to connect with someone within the first half hour of a meeting, certain things to just plain ask or look for. Body language tells a lot as well.

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6. "RE: Response"
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   >I appreciate your willingness to look
>at all points. As to
>the not connecting on the
>first session, have you ever
>spoken to a new domme
>about this during negotiation? I
>don't mean to go over
>old territory if you already
>have, but I've found in
>my sessions it often helps.
>There are many subtle ways
>in which to connect with
>someone within the first half
>hour of a meeting, certain
>things to just plain ask
>or look for. Body language
>tells a lot as well.
>

I've never discussed it, just figured it was my issue to deal with, and minimized the effect by picking more attractive (to me) dommes. If I can get a good enough first session that I'll go back for another, I'm home free.

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4. "RE: our hot SF-area subs (from eros)"
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   Funny, cause I have a completely opposite perspective. I'm constantly wishing that many Dommes are switches...cause I'm completely uninterested in being Dommed, only in being Dom. Some of those Dommes are beautiful and would make lovely subs.

Having tried most of the subs in the SF area I can highly recommend Isabelle, she is great. Also any of the Subs at the Gates are great. Haven't tried Slavegirl as her donation is about double that of other girls, and I'm not willing to pay that much.

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7. "RE: our hot SF-area subs (from eros)"
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   Tried Vivian. Very accomodating, the pics are accurate. The donation, $250 for an hour is pretty high though. Overall I did have a good time and may return.


It's sad to say that if you are a dom looking for a female submissive, you should really just go to LA and check out The Chateau and Lady Lauaras (www.thechateau.com, www.ladylauras.com).

Neither have the ridiculous condom requirement and both have very skilled submissives and doms. The Chateau in particular tries to hire only lifestyle players. While I am not implying that sex is offered in any form, I find that the ladies there are much less skittish about having a very sensual experience.

Hope that helps

--Gonzo

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8. "RE: our hot SF-area subs (from eros)"
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   3Gonzo,

What's the condom requirement? Thinking about trying the one of these services and wanted to understand as much as possible about the experience going in. I'm fully aware that none of them are FS, or perform any sexual services. But just like when I go into a strip bar, and I know on a lapdance where I'm supposed to touch, and where I am not, I'd really like to understand the same for this experience. I'm sure that they'll tell me, but if as a Dom, I want to feel like I'm controlling the environment, even while I'm working within her parameters- same as I've done with non-professionals.

If people are also willing to share this guidance, but don't want to post on the public forum, feel free to inbox me.

Friendly

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9. "RE: our hot SF-area subs (from eros)"
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Just for the record, it is not my intention to restart the argument over the condom issue.

The only dungeon that I am aware of in SF that has a decent selection of submissives is TheGates. They require that you put on a condom as soon as you pull it out, and IMHO they are still a bit standoffish even when you have one on.

This is not the case with the LA dungeons. They hand you a towel and you both sort of manage yourselves in such a way as to have a pleasurable release without causing her to come in contact with your sperm.

BTW if you happen to be well endowed, be sure to bring your own to TheGates because the ones they provide are fricken tiny.

--Gonzo

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MadameJulietteSF
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10. "RE: our hot SF-area subs (from eros)"
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   I work with a sensual submissive (pro) from time to time who might be able to help you. Email me off-list for a referral.

Madame Juliette
www.cybersexworkers.com

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11. "RE: our hot SF-area subs (from eros)"
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   >I work with a sensual submissive
>(pro) from time to time
>who might be able to
>help you. Email me off-list
>for a referral.

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Hi,

Sent you a hotmail post as well.

If this person includes sex in her services, I'm interested, and would like her contact info. However, if she doesn't engage in FS, can you point me in the direction of a sub(s) that does.

Thanks..


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