Most doms are so unenlightened that they realize this is a lame ass thread & replying will only put it back on the top.

I don't realize this because I am a dumb $$ grubbing 'ho.

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Instead of attacking, why don't you try to be open for once?

Why they *MAY* have an occasional cranky post is because so many boys won't take "no" for an answer & because this topic comes up over & over & over & over.

The topic has been discussed & rehashed. Can't we just let it go? You can find FS BDSM through referrals from your fellow RBers. If that's what you want, go get it! No one said, "You can't ever have that" or “It’s wrong to have that” or “I would never ever do that”. They just said "I am not going to do that with YOU".

Reminds me of that old joke about the difference between a slut & bitch. A slut will sleep with everyone. A bitch will sleep with everyone but you…

That reminds me of yet another joke - what's the difference between a slut and a ho? Oh, about $300.

Well, since I've been at home busy worshipping my own penis because no one else will, I've had some more time to think about this issue and have come to what I can only call "Big Willy's Theory of Relativity". I worked this out the other night with a calculator and a six-pack of Heineken.

It goes like this: whether or not you feel like you got ROB'ed by going to a no-extras domme, is all relative to what your expectations are. Thus, when I go to a no-extras domme, I'm not going to feel like I got ROB'ed since I didn't expect anything (well, except for the condom requirement for self-service).

I think the reason no dommes have responded yet to this thread, besides being a trite topic, is that they're DOMMES? Duh! Of course they're not going to respond to a male request to explain themselves.

The only problem I have (besides the condom requirement for self-service - I mean really, this seems to dispense with a male's inalienable right to touch his own bare penis) is this whole dom/sub labelling they try to do. I don't want a "dom" as I want to have control over what happens in the session (and if you try to control it they call it "topping from the bottom"), but I don't want a "sub" as I want the provider to do things to me like strap-on stuff, transformations, spanking, etc., all things that a domme would normally do. And I want some form of sex, even if it's only an HJ, that neither a no-extras domme or sub would do.

I see BDSM as foreplay more than an end in itself, although there are certainly quite a few people, both male and female, who are quite happy not to have sex as part of their session. They can more easily separate sex from BDSM. The problem with going to full-service escorts is that their BDSM skills might not be up to snuff, or they might not want to do it at all, or they might not be equipped, etc. You get the idea.

Oh well, it's all good. No point in lamenting. As long as I've got a stable full of perverted, kinky, money-grubbing ho's who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty, I'll be a happy camper.

Actually, I'm kind of disappointed by the domme's. None of them seemed to want to play at a higher level.

Well, this thread is dead.

FC

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"All we are saying, is give sex a chance..."

I really like it when I do a double session with a domme and her female sub (this really happened about six years ago with a very respected domme). There was good chemistry, so limits were slowly eroded. Both were gorgeous. They tied me up and teased me, I worshipped their feet and asses, and they spanked me. Finally, the domme fucked me in the ass with her strap-on so skillfully, as her sub blew me to completion. Now that was a great session.

I guess I want this kind of action, but it's so hard to find these days.

This sort of reminds me of a scene I had with Texas Mary a couple of years ago.

First, she tied me up and shaved off all my body hair below my neck. She did this in about 90 minutes. By comparison, I had an inexperiened domme at Fantasy Makers shave one leg in three hours.

After the shaving, she cross-dressed me. She did such a good job even I though I was passable.

We then did a scenario where she was the recruiter and I was the job interviewee. Half way through the interview she "discovers" that I'm really a dude, and she makes me walk over to her side of the desk and orders me to suck her cock (strap-on). Soon we end up in a 69 on the floor with her sucking my cock, and my alternately sucking her strap-on and pussy.

She then turns me over and gives me the best rim job of my life.

She then turns me on my back and does my in the butt with her strap-on while she's jacking me off.

Then she takes her strap-on off and I fuck her to completion.

Unbelievable session. Total cost: $$.5.

LAST EDITED ON 03-Aug-02 AT 11:59 AM (PDT)

Exactly what I mean. As sexual consumers interested in bang for our buck, that's exactly what we're looking for! Really hot and dirty sex play, at a reasonable price. I prefer BDSM sessions where the underlying emotional context is affection, with SM psychodrama layered over it. Many domme's today do the SM with skill, but the underlying emotional context is actually either detachment or disgust. Very similar to the normal hobby, where GFE could be defined as a provider who has an underlying emotional context of authenticity and affection, no matter what her sexual skill level is like. I guess we're all really looking for a PSE (porn star experience), and trying to avoid a PBE (prissy bitch experience). And yeah, I like to "sexually top from the bottom." So what, I'm paying for it right?

So anyway, this domme I saw asked me not to let others know she went this far, because she was concerned about being ostracized for such behavior. This was a while ago, and she's not in the area anyway. Also, she told me that there is a secret monthly meeting of the most established domme's who decide how best to control the evolution of this industry. It's all part of their "female superiority" megalomania trip. Bottom line: domme's really just want to be domme's and not whores, and guys like us want them to be whores as well. Whoring is still considered by many to be a lowly profession where the woman is not in control. (To that, I say, HA!)

It's really unfortunate how difficult it is to find a provider who is actually beautiful (some domme's are overweight dogs), skilled at both sex *and* BDSM, and just plain sluts down deep. Like we were saying, I lament the loss of fully sexual BDSM, just as I lament the loss of $1 lapdances at MBOT.

And if the domme's don't want to participate in our thread, well, too bad. I guess Redbook is fundamentally for guys wanting to trade tips and trends in the whoring business. We can do so more freely without them watching over our shoulders.

Anon

PS, I'm not a woman hater, I'm a whore lover. It is simple human nature that I want a woman who is hungry for cock, not so frigid that she requires it wrapped up in her presence.

I think where BDSM has been made sex-free, it attracts certain types of women who wouldn't normally be attracted to it if it were sex-inclusive. Similar to how strripers who don't offer extras work at some clubs, while extras girls work at others (MSC, MBOT, NCT). So, non-extras stripping is in a lot of ways similar to non-extras BDSM - you pay them lots of money and all you get is sexual frustration. One non-extras stripper I knew left stripping to work at the Gates. As a stripper, she was very bitchy, money-grubby, and her dances were detached with no-contact. So, its not too surprising she continued her "financial domination" of men by working at the Gates where I'm sure she offers only a PBE.

The part you mentioned about the secret monthly meeting of pro dommes is very interesting and definitely answers some questions for me. It always seemed to me like there was some sort of secret conspiracy among the Bay Area no-sex dommes to keep the activity sex free. If a lot of the dommes started to be sex inclusive, it would put the no-sex dommes pretty much out of business.

It's unfortunate that the sex-inclusive dommes are ostracised by the BDSM community, which pretends to be open-minded. This ostracism has to be, at least in-part, financially motivated.

So, the next time I consider paying two to three hundred dollars just to beat off into a condom while the domme does her nails in the next room, I'll just stay at home and watch a good porno movie and leave the condoms in the bathroom.

Yeah, no-extra strippers and domme's basically get you excited, but will not finish the job. Extras-inclusive strippers and dommes are willing to provide a complete experience, and release. (Vibrator releases should not be considered an extra.)

Okay kids, let's all start using that term, when we review the domme's in the review section. So don't be a wimpy sub and say stuff like "she was incredible, and I really felt like worshipping her, and I was satisfied at the end." Get really detailed: "7/8/9/0 - L/A/S/Release Technique. She's 5'4", 150 lbs, D cups enhanced, former stripper. Good at bondage, CBT, corporeal, strap on technique. Refused to provide a hand release in the end although intimating it would be possible (said I wasn't a good enough slave, maybe next time!). Made me put on a condom for self service. So reports of BBHJ are YMMV. Won't return, there are plenty of other SM providers who will put out, now that Redbook turned the tide against sex-negative dommes."

And by the way, the monthly meeting of top dommes is probably much less sinister than it sounds. Just a bunch of ladies getting together to bitch about bad subs, like us.

AN

Who robs cavefish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do! We do!

There's nothing extrordinary about penises: almost every man alive has one, not to mention male field mice, elephants and jackasses, and they're all substantially the same. I've had sex with an incredible number of men in my life, and it wasn't for their penises. The guys behind the dicks are infinitely more varied, more interesting and at least potentially more fun. You are absolutely right to be selective! It seems to me that the guys who are worth having aren't spending their time bitching to each other on Red Book.

I'm amazed that they complain so much that the Dommes don't want to join in. They should be thankful when a few Dommes (and overprotective submissive mother-types like me) occasionally rise to their baiting and give them a little sport. Mostly, we're busy enjoying our own sex lives...with men who don't think a fine wine has an "h" in it...thus leaving the RB master baiters to exchange their rhetoric without us!

Keep the faith, baby, and be well.

I've tried to keep my criticisms from getting personal, but it's not easy when you get baited like this. Although that isn't to say I don't enjoy being compared to field mice, elephants and jackasses just because I possess an extraordinary penis. However, I do take comfort in knowing that there are an equal number of field mice, elephants and jackasses who have cunts as well. Nothing special in being a mammal.

As much as I like conspiracy theory, I take the "super-secret monthly meeting of dommes" with a grain of salt, although it would certainly explain some things about the scene in the Bay Area. It's also interesting to note that Lorrett responded. perhaps because she stands to lose the most financially if the no-sex dommes are put out of business.

To the all the pro BDSM ladies out there who aren't frigidly afraid to get your hands dirty: God bless you. You make this world a better place. May you continue to do so without attacks, reprisals, revenge or ostracism from the BDSM Moral Majority.

Peace.

Like Winston Churchill said, "Madam, in the morning, you will still be ugly."

Big Willy, I don't understand what you mean by barbs and covert insults. The only things I said about clients were that I find the majority to be nice, funny and cute. I even said I liked you and your posts!!!! I have a thing for dirty old men...

Left over bits:

1) I am also bored with the attack/counter-attack game, but why is it that my very legitimate and nice explanation got ignored by the guys? Was it not lurid enough? I baited no one and took advantage of the opportunity to publicly answer a complex question which is posed to me EACH time I work!

2) I am not anti-sex. In fact I am a very wonton brat who has been fixated on sex ever since I knew what it was. I just don't do "it" with everyone. I guess that makes me a tease...

3) I only wish I could be part of some underground cabal. It appeals to every one of my dorky, anarchistic fantasies.

4) I'm going to post a FUN topic. I only hope everyone is as eager to write on something sexy...

xoxoxoxoxoxoBelle