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SFgambler
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"What Vinyl Queen says about us on Max Fisch"
 
   "It seems to me as if the new "domination" board on another local review guide is getting a bit out of hand. You maxfischites should take heed as they are calling all of you brownnosers and teachers pets...Lovely. What really bugged me in the latest round of whining about not getting jerked off in session is the statement that Dommes are just ex-strippers and hookers who can't make money like that anymore...OH REALLY...It has also been said by these jerks that we Dommes couldn't make 25% of what we earn if we entered into the real world job market.

Well FYI I've never done any other type of "sex work." I am also highly educated--like most of my compatriots. The only Dommes I know who don't have at least a college degree are 1 credit shy or something like that. Many have advanced degrees or are highly skilled in some particular area of vanilla expertise--but you maxfishcites KNOW this don't you?

Based on the amount of time I put into my business, I am making far less than I would in the "real world." I do this for the love of it.

Looks like my phone calls are going to be getting another level of screening now that I see how many locals feel...

VQ "

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1. "RE: What Vinyl Queen says about us on Max Fisch"
In response to message.0
 
   Well I wouldn't expect her to be happy with the feelings of some of the guys on this board. However I am not sure why she would feel the need to do more screening on her calls. If any of the so-called whiners are reading this message they would know better than to call her now. And there is no reason to assume that any guy calling her is any more likely than before to expect her to give handjobs. Nothing has fundamentally changed in the equation, except that some guys on this board have expressed their desire for more.

I don't doubt that a lot of doms are intelligent. The ones I have met are pretty sharp and actually generally very nice(not the sort of rep they are supposed to project, so I won't say that too loud.) And I tend to think they have to be smart to be good at this as it requires a lot of reading of the scene and knowledge of what is or isn't safe. Let's put it this way, I would be very scared of a dom if I talked to her and sensed she was a tad short in the mental area.

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AnonMon AnonMon rating
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2. "Hilarious"
In response to message.0
 
   LAST EDITED ON 06-Aug-02 AT 01:36 AM (PDT)

You can read for yourself what the Maxfischites are saying about us Redbookers -

http://www.maxfisch.com/thehang/showflat.php?Cat=2,3,4&Board=brandi&Number=236464&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1

It's kind of hilarious to read all the obsequious bowing and scraping by these Maxie subs. They're saying shit like "Could it be that Maxites are simply secure within themselves and therefore find it unnecessary to attack Dommes who graciously take time from their busy days to post? Perhaps we're simply more discerning? Maybe our parents just raised us better?" I mean, this coming from a guy willing to serve as a full toilet (scat).

And to top it off, we have VQ saying:

"I have come to the conclusion that there is a crop of men who are simply pathetic. They have the social skills of gnat and thus must pay for ALL of their interactions with women. Seeing as how San Francisco affords them the privilege of being able to sample from a plethora of escorts, strippers, and Mistresses..."

Well, she's right. We're pathetic, spoiled by the plethora of escorts, strippers and sexually open Mistresses. That's why we won't put up with ROBs or tease bullshit. Redbookers have become connoisseurs of sex. We simply know what we like - hot sex without limits, brilliant BDSM, beautiful young bodies, and ideally, all in the same package. A typical MaxiSub would go to a 50 year old domme with sagging tits, and be forced to jerk off in a condom, and then gush with praise in the Maxfisch Reviews section.

This is why Redbook is so fucking good. It helps hobbyists find better sex, at lower prices. Redbook makes it harder for ROBs to succeed at ripping off hobbyists, and questionable sensual services to survive. Redbook is good, because it tells the naked truth.

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BigWilly BigWilly rating
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3. "Fricken Hilarious!!!"
In response to message.2
 
   AnonMan, please don't ever post something that hilarious so late at night again. I think I woke up the entire neighborhood with my laughing. There is something refreshing about the openness of Redbook.

The thing that made me break out laughing was trying to comprehend how someone who wants to be someone else's toilet seat can call someone else mentally unbalanced or accuse them of not having the proper upbringing. I aint perfect but I don't swallow other peoples' turds wholesale.

It certainly seems like I pissed off a few dommes.I always wanted to be gang banged in the ass by a group of angry women, so maybe now's my chance. Perhaps I should show up tmro at Gates or Fantasy Makers with my own strap-on and a wad of cash, tell them I'm Big Willly and ask who wants to go first. Please be gentle. If they can't laugh at that, f... 'em!

Good night fellow insomniacs!

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MzAlyssa
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4. "taking on all comers!"
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Do our male dominants get to take a turn as well? ;) What about FTM? And the cat? He gets pretty bored sometimes. Oh, that would be fun. I once stuck my foot up someone's ass to the ankle. Maybe if I pointed it at just the right angle, I could do it this time. Big Willy is my new ATF!!! All you can eat buffet!!! Blue light special!!! Hostess with the mostess!!! Will you wear the frilly white apron and nothing under it?

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AnonMon AnonMon rating
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5. "I think we just went over the top"
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   BigWilly is right. Stive, BigWilly and I should submit ourselves to all the domme's that we've dissed. There should be enough animosity stored up to power a very intense session. Full toilet for a line of dozen domme's. Five hours of corporeal punishment. The XXXXXXL dildo training. Sheer bliss!

However, I probably won't because I'm kinda fond of my penis and balls, and I'm sure these domme's we've disparaged are contemplating castration if they ever get their hands on us!

---

Anyway, we should definitely let bygones be bygones. I'm tired of this infighting, when we should be working together to defeat the real Moral Majority out there. So, I offer my sincerest apologies.

Whatdya say, dommies dearest, can we kiss and make up?

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MzAlyssa
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6. "Okay. One one condition..."
In response to message.5
 
..."NO MORE WIRE HANGERS!!!!" - Dommie Dearest

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AnonMon AnonMon rating
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7. "**KISS**"
In response to message.6
 
   And I promise never to ask for a handjob. Maybe beg for one, but never ask or demand.

I respect you and the choices you've made in your lifestyle!!!

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desert
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06-Aug-02, 09:49 PM (PST)
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8. "RE: Fricken Hilarious!!!"
In response to message.3
 
   Gawd Damn! I was only going to ask them to gather the whole line up around the tub and shower me all at once. I'll look wimpy in comparison.

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Lorrett Lorrett rating
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14. "RE: Fricken Hilarious!!!"
In response to message.3
 
   There is
>something refreshing about the openness
>of Redbook.
>
I aint perfect but
>I don't swallow other peoples'
>turds wholesale.

Nor do I, but I sure won't ridicule someone else for the rituals they choose, so long as they're consensual and respect the needs of others, which sadly, not everyone is willing to do.
>
>It certainly seems like I pissed
>off a few dommes.I always
>wanted to be gang banged
>in the ass by a
>group of angry women, so
>maybe now's my chance. Perhaps
>I should show up tmro
>at Gates or Fantasy Makers
>with my own strap-on and
>a wad of cash, tell
>them I'm Big Willly and
>ask who wants to go
>first. Please be gentle. If
>they can't laugh at that,
>f... 'em!

Well, it may be true that you've done your share of pissing off Dommes, and at least one li'l sub, but I don't think it'll get you what you're suggesting.

Every kid from earliest childhood knows that if your parents ignore you, act out and piss them off. You won't get approval, but at least you'll get some attention. Adults sometimes forget to unlearn that strategy. Any Domme worth her salt knows better than to reward behavior that pisses her off...

I don't know about anyone/anyplace else, but if you want a good ass-reaming at Fantasy Makers, bring your harness if you wish, but be nice, be respectful, and just ask for it. The jerks, the ones who leave their senses of humor and proportion at home, tend to get ignored, excluded, and sent off to find someone who'll put up with them for mere money!

Actually, I think you just like to mess with people and see how they react. You and Anon can be real pains in the butt, but I don't think too many Dommes take it personally...

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BigWilly BigWilly rating
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16. "RE: Fricken Hilarious!!!"
In response to message.14
 
   >Nor do I, but I sure won't ridicule someone else for the >rituals they choose, so long as they're consensual and >respect the needs of others, which sadly, not everyone is >willing to do.

That comment of mine was a tit for tat. There's a lot of stuff in BDSM which I personally find just plain weird, and ordinarily I wouldn't say anything as someone else may find my fetishes strange, but if you review what preceded this, you'll find that us guys here on Redbook were being accused of a poor upbringing by someone who fancies himself as a human toilet. Now, if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know what is.

Aside from that, and as a general comment, I think the people who are heavily into the BDSM scene sometimes (just to be healthy) need to step three feet back, get some perspective and perhaps get a much needed reality adjustment. In my opinion, BDSM is just a fantasy world, but some people seem to take it so seriously it's ridiculous. The Female Supremists tend to be the worst as far as this goes.

My comment about getting an ass reaming was purely a joke; I would hope that it was taken that way.

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Lorrett Lorrett rating
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20. "RE: Fricken Hilarious!!!"
In response to message.16
 
   >
>That comment of mine was a
>tit for tat.

Nursing accomodations for felines?

ordinarily I
>wouldn't say anything as someone
>else may find my fetishes
>strange, but if you review
>what preceded this, <snip> a case of the
>pot calling the kettle black,
>
<snip>I think the
>people who are heavily into
>the BDSM scene sometimes (just
>to be healthy) need to
>step three feet back, get
>some perspective and perhaps get
>a much needed reality adjustment.
>In my opinion, <snip>
>some people seem to take
>it so seriously it's ridiculous.

I agree; one man's weird is another man's paradise. People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones. If you find any marbles they're probably mine...but let's hang madly onto our senses of humor/proportion; that should save us from any overwhelming urge to be serious. On the other hand, remember that sometimes people create rituals (and fantasy scenarios ARE rituals) the way they create calluses, to cushion something that would otherwise be very painful. That makes it at least more understandable when they get so dead-serious about their rituals..
>
>My comment about getting an ass
>reaming was purely a joke;
>I would hope that it
>was taken that way.

Ass-reamings requested in Jest being repented in Retrospect? Next we'll be conceptualizing in Theory! I was hanged in Effigy once...it was quite amusing!

Be well.


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9. "Vinyl Queen is truly LAME!!!"
In response to message.0
 
   She is a typical female supremacist that thinks all us men are pathetic. She is so narcissistic that she actually thinks its all about HER! She gets off abusing men and that makes her feel good. And her clients pay her for this!!??? She has no interest in what her clients' needs are--only that she can feed her own power trip. Probably because she is not physically attractive (I have seen her in person, although not in session, at Foot Fetish in SF) and could not earn respect or fulfill her power trip outside of her Dom practice.

This really pisses me off. I mean, the girls at Fantasy Makers don't provide any sex but at least they are not anti-sex like this lady. She is the stereotypical ANTI-Sex Dom and I would never patronize her. I'll leave that to her pathetic group of toilet bowls that worship her in her lame chat room on her website. Talk about pathetic!!!

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sub4her2
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10. "RE: Vinyl Queen is truly LAME!!!"
In response to message.9
 
   Actually, I've seen VQ in session and she is a very experienced Dom. I didn't get the man hating female supremist vibe from her at all - in fact our session involved a lot of laughing. We did talk about the boards and her feeling like her morals were being attacked certain people on RB. Same as other doms I've talked to after a session though.

I also thought she was much more attractive in person then her pics - but to each their own I guess.

Curious - do any of you guys talk socially with your dom after a scene, or is it just me?

.

Why can't we all just get along?

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11. "talking after scene"
In response to message.10
 
I almost always process the session with my scene partner afterwards and talk a bit to ease the transition between scene space and real time space. Aftercare is often necessary with more intense scenes - you don't want to get someone to a real vulnerable position and then just shove them into their car to go home. Sometimes we'll discuss different ways the scene could have gone, possibilities for next time and any questions the client may have. For a truly intense scene, I might utilize different drama therapy exercise to make a clear distinction between every day and submissive mindset including breath, stance, thought patterns, speech patterns and motivations for action. And often the conversation WILL go off in some random direction and we'll end up discussing Tiffany lamps, music, managed health care, TV dinners or whatever random thing either of us feels enthusiastically about at that moment.

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12. "RE: talking after scene"
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That's what I miss the most about working out of my own place. When I was in Modesto, we would have coffee, go do the scene, then sit in the kitchen and have more coffee and chat. Now that I'm renting space, I can't do as much of that as I'd like. I've always thought of most of my clients as friends. I think they usually think the same as they write to tell me of changes in their lives, families, and such.

Lilith

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13. "RE: talking after scene"
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   >That's what I miss the most
>about working out of my
>own place. When I
>was in Modesto, we would
>have coffee, go do the
>scene, then sit in the
>kitchen and have more coffee
>and chat. Now that
>I'm renting space, I can't
>do as much of that
>as I'd like. I've
>always thought of most of
>my clients as friends.
>I think they usually think
>the same as they write
>to tell me of changes
>in their lives, families, and
>such.
>
>Lilith
>
>http://www.ladylilith.com

Lilith, I'm with you! You'll never get an argument from ME on the topic of sharing extra time with client/friends...when I was doing another (sex-related) job, I set an all-time record for fines incurred for overtime "hanging-out" with my clients, and I'm proud of it. While there IS a need to balance socializing time with consideration for the next client booked, if he's waiting, or the need to keep phones answered, those things don't make it impossible for at least a little fraternization. And as you know, a pot of reasonably fresh coffee is one of our minimum standards for civilized life around here!

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17. "RE: talking after scene"
In response to message.13
 
   Absolutely. It's an essential part of any session, not an afterthought, and should be considered an extension of the cooldown period. While I wouldn't discuss particulars of that session as both individuals wouldn't have had time to process it fully, minor chat about BDSM and non-related issues is a way of signaling a restoration of the balance of power between participants. The fact that there are ladies being fined for this is something I find...disheartening, although not terribly surprising. I guess it's just one of the inherent pitfalls to a scene that may be propelled as much by the ticking of the clock as it is by the sub's responses.
-Merc
"And I think to myself, What a wonderful world."

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15. "Social Talk"
In response to message.10
 
   I find post-session chitter-chatter to be very valuable. I find it very validating. When I was a novice it helped me push through the shame one often experiences after the release of a session.

Debriefing a session is another matter. I believe that I have grown alot as a result of BDSM play. And I believe that I would have grown far less if I hadn't been able to discuss my sessions with the person I experienced them with.

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18. "RE: Vinyl Queen is truly LAME!!!"
In response to message.10
 
>Actually, I've seen VQ in session
>and she is a very
>experienced Dom. I didn't
>get the man hating female
>supremist vibe from her at
>all - in fact our
>session involved a lot of
>laughing. We did talk
>about the boards and her
>feeling like her morals were
>being attacked certain people on
>RB. Same as other
>doms I've talked to after
>a session though.
>
>I also thought she was much
>more attractive in person then
>her pics - but to
>each their own I guess.
>
>
>Curious - do any of you
>guys talk socially with your
>dom after a scene, or
>is it just me?
>
>.
>
>Why can't we all just get

>along?

Her face is cute and she is fat! End of story!

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MzAlyssa
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19. "RE: Vinyl Queen is truly LAME!!!"
In response to message.18
 
>Her face is cute and she
>is fat! End of story!
>

She has a normal, curvy figure and I think she looks beautiful. Just because someone has curves does not mean they are "fat"; in the pics, she looks strong and powerful.
http://www.vinylqueen.com/newphotos/newphotos.html

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21. "RE: Vinyl Queen is truly LAME!!!"
In response to message.19
 
>>Her face is cute and she
>
>>is fat! End of story!
>>
>
>She has a normal, curvy figure
>and I think she looks
>beautiful. Just because someone has
>curves does not mean they
>are "fat"; in the pics,
>she looks strong and powerful.
>
>http://www.vinylqueen.com/newphotos/newphotos.html


30% body fat and drooped shoulders from over carbohydrated diet. Check any medical dictionary you wish 30% body fat = fat* Also,very out of shape looking for her age and being as the whole thing revolves around vanity ,this is not good! reguardless of curves! 30% body fat is fat! sorry.

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22. "You are referring to the woman in the photos, right?"
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   I've seen 'fat', and 'fat' doesn't look like VQ. 'Fat' has no waist...'fat' is lumpy, not lush (don't flame me, MzAlyssa, I'm just making a point! VQ looks quite well-proportioned to me, and impeccably turned out, I might add. One needn't be of Lilliputian proportions to enter the wonderful world of BDSM.

Just out of curiosity, Super_B, how did you find out VQ's BMI? Also, how did you find out that her diet is high in carbohydrates?

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23. "I am referring to VQ****"
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> actually the medical term is Obese. I realize you will not like that due to the stigma of society. Feel free to look the term up however.For men it is over 20% body fat or 75% of everyone you know. For women,28% and VQ is over that! How do I know.....when you have measured as many people as I have by doing personal training as qualified to do professionally,it's easy! I can look at you or anyone else and come within 2% of the fact be it water,calipers or % of fat scale measurements. The same is true of ones diet.Yes,you can look at people and tell the general type of eating habits they have.This is easy.AND , I have talked to VQ on three different occasions. Sorry,she's curvy,yes. And overweight as true of 75% of all women you know as well.

Here is a link to where I received three years of training in order to train:


http://www.nasm.org enjoy take some classes! let me know hoe this turns out!

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kat
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24. "RE: I am referring to VQ****"
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   I'd be curious to se your qualifications in calling yourself a professional trainer. Anyone can get a NASM cerfiticate and call themselves knowledgable or professional but that does not necessarily make them so. It's an odd thing for someone to be so obessed with another supposed BMI levels, by merely guessing, and further more I highly doubt that your levels are much better as most of your fat seems to be stuck in your brain., clouding your thoughts. A thin person can have a BMI of 30% and still look thin.

If the best you can is to try and bash others by calling them obese, then you have a sorry life indeed. You aren't even close to being a professional in your field. This coming from a person who makes her profession at being extremely fit and not bashing others for things like their bodyweight and guessing what the dietary intake of others may be. Shame on you.

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25. "RE: I am referring to VQ****"
In response to message.24
 
>I'd be curious to se your
>qualifications in calling yourself a
>professional trainer. Anyone can get
>a NASM cerfiticate and call
>themselves knowledgable or professional but
>that does not necessarily make
>them so. It's an
>odd thing for someone to
>be so obessed with another
>supposed BMI levels, by merely
>guessing, and further more I
>highly doubt that your levels
>are much better as most
>of your fat seems to
>be stuck in your brain.,
>clouding your thoughts. A
>thin person can have a
>BMI of 30% and still


uhhhh,offended by your gurth no doubt! Uhhh, I have trained part time in several of the finest gyms in the U.S. for well over 20 years and competed as an athlete in various venues as well.....thnak you for you bash! Nice first post.If you need to loose fat just drop me a note and i'll help you. It is not obsessive you bafoon to think about ones health! You may try it,you'll probably feel better! 9125-)
>look thin.
>
>If the best you can is
>to try and bash others
>by calling them obese, then
>you have a sorry life
>indeed. You aren't even close
>to being a professional
>in your field. This coming
>from a person who makes
>her profession at being extremely
>fit and not bashing others
>for things like their bodyweight
>and guessing what the dietary
>intake of others may be.
>Shame on you.


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