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2. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   Thats a fucked up thing to say bro.

Why would you quote some fucked up shit like that over someones death?

I've always been fairly neutral towards you Haywood, but that's really fucked up of you dude.

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1. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   " So be it! And decrease the surplus population Mr. Scrooge!


"time and chance overtake us all"

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2. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   Thats a fucked up thing to say bro.

Why would you quote some fucked up shit like that over someones death?

I've always been fairly neutral towards you Haywood, but that's really fucked up of you dude.

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3. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   LAST EDITED ON 26-Oct-06 AT 10:21 PM (PST)
 
What have you got against Solomon? And by the way, what was the cause of her death? I hope it's not something that might wind up taking a whole bunch of people that she provided for with her as the future unfolds.

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4. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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How did she die exactly? It's easy to assume, but I would rather know the truth...


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5. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   It is important to be politically correct. Unlike 10 years ago, you can no longer assume that when a tranny or homosexual dies the cause is the full blown aids.

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6. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   for once i agree with foghorn..........any ts's continuing in the trade that know they are hiv+ is nothing short of attempted murder.

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7. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   I didn't see any evidence of anyone saying she died of full-blown AIDS. Don't "assume". But I'm seeing more and more "bareback" tranny DVDs. I've only gotten BJs "with" condoms on except for my Filipina trannies, who give head like artwork. It's worth dying for!? Hey, something has to kill us eventually, right?

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8. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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No direct comments about why she died but it was mentioned that she appered to have kept her illness to herself. It would be normal to make an assumption that a 30 year old TS who has died and "kept her illness to herself"may have suffered and died from aids. If I had been with her recently, I would certainly be hurrying out to be checked. Rest peacefully Lisa


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9. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   LAST EDITED ON 27-Oct-06 AT 01:23 PM (PST)
 
BigJoe- she could not pay her Jewish Bookie for the bad 3 team teaser for $2k! so, she pulled her own cord off the 59th street bridge...
aka The Brooklyn bridge if you get my drift!

skibum805! For once!! Come on now everyone agrees with me plenty,I say plenty of times under their alt. handles of course!

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10. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   Woah! I say, WOAH now, Dawg! If that there'n is a reason to pull the plug, I'd be dead a long spell back. Well, actually, I'm ready to tie the noose around my own neck after I took North Carolina today on a $40 6-teamer and had the other 5 right! -2 over Virginia..#@**

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12. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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>....so, she pulled her own cord off the
>59th street bridge...
>aka The Brooklyn bridge if you get my drift!

The 59th St bridge connects Manhattan and Queens (Long Island City to be exact) and is also known as the Queensboro. The Brooklyn bridge is the Brooklyn bridge. The two have nothing in common name-wise (other than they're bridges). End of fucking story.

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11. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   LAST EDITED ON 28-Oct-06 AT 09:04 PM (PST)
 
Unfortunately, the odds are that full-blown AIDS will be the final destination if you cavalierly choose to typically follow the less trodden path of bear-back buggery! At that point, it doesn't matter which bridge you jump off of, the Brooklyn, the Manhattan, the Queensboro, the Third Avenue, the GW, or even the friggin', I say, even the friggin' Tappan Zee!

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13. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   I recently watched a dear friend of mine die from AIDS that he received from a blood transfusion.

It was slow, painfull, and without dignity. He had open sores, couldn't control his bladder, or bowels, went from 195lbs. to 105lbs. and begged to die every day.

He was 48 years old and the "cocktails pills" the Dr's gave him stopped working. He lived 12 years with the illness and the past 18 months were hell on earth. He was curled up in the fetal position the last 10 days of his life, unable to quench his thirst, or relieve the pain. At the end, he was on a morphine drip that pumped as much morphine into his body every minute, that a heart by-pass patient typically needs over the entire time of there procedure. It wasn't enough. He still hurt and moaned and whimpered.

It was ugly, sad and a tragedy. His couldn't be helped. If you participate in unsafe sex, please stop. Don't be a party to spreading this awful disease.

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14. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   THAT-ACTUALLY IS VERY SAD AND REMINDS ME OF ARTHUR ASH. IN REALLITY WHEN I SEE HIS FACE AND THINK OF HIS NEICE EXPLANING WHAT A LOVING UNCLE HE WAS I ALMOST CRY. ON THE OTHER HAND,A GARDEN VARIATION PRON TRANNY DYING OF ANYTHING MAKES ME YAWN!

Have a nice night all!

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15. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   Actually, there is no way Lisa had the full blown aids. The last time I serviced and swallowed her load she was fit.

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16. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   >Actually, there is no way Lisa had the full blown aids. The
>last time I serviced and swallowed her load she was fit.


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I almost hope you are joking here.

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17. "RE: monitor hiv viral load with tb2002's mouth????"
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-Oct-06 AT 01:37 PM (PST)
 
>>Actually, there is no way Lisa had the full blown aids. The
>>last time I serviced and swallowed her load she was fit.
>
>
>I almost hope you are joking here.

I was thinking the same thing, what a medical advance this would be the ability to monitor viral load during HIV retroviral therapy using tb2002's mouth. I think anyone who thinks visual inspection of a providers physical appearance has anything to do with viral load is foolish; particulary early in the course of the development of resistance to HAART combo therapy.

BTW- My comment has nothing to do Lisa Kage's situation.

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20. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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Who cares if he's joking or not??? Read some studies on the rate of passing on HIV when giving an INFECTED person oral sex with ejaculation. To say the incidence of transmission is VERY low even in that scenario is an understatement. Before you give your opinion, READ AN ACTUAL STUDY!


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21. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   LAST EDITED ON 30-Oct-06 AT 03:15 PM (PST)
 
>Who cares if he's joking or not??? Read some studies on the
>rate of passing on HIV when giving an INFECTED person oral
>sex with ejaculation. To say the incidence of transmission
>is VERY low even in that scenario is an understatement.
>Before you give your opinion, READ AN ACTUAL STUDY!

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I've seen some studies. Some of them go on to imply that actual studies of HIV transmission are inconclusive.


But here's my own logic on why I personally believe HIV is easier to get via oral than some people believe: Often many peoples mouths do at many times, even most times, have some sort of lesion or micro-abrasion. It happens all the time, often we don't even know it is even there; just the simple act brushing your teeth can cause a little abrasion in your mouth and gums. Here's another, I personally out of mundane habbit bite the sides of my lips or mouth. I truly believe those types of things make oral sex perhaps even more risky and potentially dangersous than intercourse.

It's possible I could be wrong, but the thing is, there really are no conclusive studies on this anywhere. There's only conjecture at this time.

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22. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   mrmajetic- you must read the studies carefully, the large often quoted Spanish study which found no transmission in a large number of patients, might be tainted by the fact that many patients were on treatment and would have low or no hiv in saliva. The investigators found no transmission in ~135 couples over 10 years and ~19 thousand instances of oral sex, but again only about 10% had high viral loads- so if someone had an undetected/untreated/or drug resistant infection and had a high viral load, the risk becomes unknown as there is no statistical power to prove such, so it reains an unknown what happens if you come in contact with semen with a high viral load.
http://www.aidsmap.com/news/newsdisplay2.asp%3FnewsId%3D1483

In an early study, at UCSF in ~100 homosexual males the transmission rate was 8%. In nearly all cases, the person infected had oral ulcers or gingivitis. In a follow-up UCSF study of ~200 men (fellatio, 28% with hiv+ partners) there were no cases of transmission.
http://www.caps.ucsf.edu/hotstudy/HOTPaperShortened.pdf
http://pub.ucsf.edu/today/news.php?news_id=200108141

A recent debate of “experts” at UCSF discussed some numbers such quotes such as “Secondly, is it agreed that the risk of acquiring HIV from fellatio with ejaculation is on the order of 1 in 2500 per contact, but because people who have oral sex generally do it more than once, that receptive oral sex with ejaculation probably accounts for approximately 1-5% of HIV infection in men who have sex with men?” Of course comments without unanimous agreement.
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?page=pr-rr-05

see human_genome 's posts in med center.

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23. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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LAST EDITED ON 31-Oct-06 AT 07:22 AM (PST)
 
The Spanish study is the one that I read some time ago and I remembered the rough statistics. I would hope that someone with open sores/ulcers or an individual that typically experiences a lot of bleeding when brushing their teeth would use common sense and refrain from allowing someone to ejaculate in their mouth. Ditto for an open wound on the penis, just skip it all together in that case.

All I said was the incidence of transmission is very low, I didn't say it was impossible. Based on the information you posted the incidence is very low unless ulcers/gingivitis exists. I totally disagree with Armanixxx's statement "I truly believe those types of things make oral sex perhaps even more risky and potentially dangersous than intercourse." More risky? Not even close my friend. Anal tissues can tear so easily and all that's needed is a little blood. Of course the size of the person pitching plays a role.

Anyway, thanks for the links, it's interesting information and people should take the time to read it.


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18. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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>THAT-ACTUALLY IS VERY SAD AND REMINDS ME OF ARTHUR ASH. IN
>REALLITY WHEN I SEE HIS FACE AND THINK OF HIS NEICE
>EXPLANING WHAT A LOVING UNCLE HE WAS I ALMOST CRY. ON THE
>OTHER HAND,A GARDEN VARIATION PRON TRANNY DYING OF ANYTHING
>MAKES ME YAWN!

That's sounds typical of you. Making totally insensitive remarks over the death of a TS porn star and then turning around and pretending to be so very sympathetic over a tennis star who everyone knew as a classy individual. Your assumption there is that porn stars cannot be loving or classy individuals on their own merit and therefore (in your misguided opinion) are worthless human beings. By the way, if you're going to drop names at least put some effort into spelling it correctly.

Deanna

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24. "RE: LISA KAGE has passed :("
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   Don't know if it is true or not but someone who knows her claims that Lisa Kage did not die of HIV/AIDS, but rather she died of a bad case of TB.

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