tra

Well here's some perspective for you.

You're going to pay for......

Airfare
Accomodations
Meals
Shopping, shopping, shopping! (remember this one)
and....

Take the donation she posts for 24 hours and reduce it by about 25% or a little more and that will tell you what you're going to pay.

For example: In addition to ALL expenses, if her day rate is $5000, reduce it to $3500-$4000 per day and there you go. Maybe if you go 7 days you might do $2500 a day, but many young women know that if you're willing to provide all expenses and you really WANT to spend that kind of time with them then it's going to be quite expensive.

One young lady I know just completed 2 dates, both 7 days...one to South America and one to Europe. Her day rate is $5000 and she reduced her day rate for both dates to around $3000 per day in the interest of making the dates work. I promise she went shopping too

Start knowing this is what happens in some cases.

tra

If it's "ALL" business, yeah, what tra says. But if she's your ATF and you two have good chemistry, it shouldn't be too far off her Opportunity Cost plus travel related out-of-pocket expenses.

Unless she is NOT motivated to hang out with you, (then you need to compensate her pain factor big time) you should not pay more than 1,000 a day for her time.

Her cost really depends on several factors.

1. How much money she could lose from escorting (Opportunity Cost) for the days she travels with you. Could be more or less than her OC.

2. How much she likes to travel? (especially to the place you want to go.) The higher she wants to travel, the less she will charge for her "time".

3. How much she likes your company? (hanging out with you) The more she likes hanging out with you, the less $ she will ask.

In one case, she and I agreed that I pay for all travel related (excluding her shopping) expenses plus $200 per "intimate date" during the trip. That was definitely one of the all time best trips I ever had, it can't get any better than traveling with a hot babe where she is highly motivated to get you woody at every chance. lol

BTW, I did buy her hot lingeries and some cheap Jewries in the trip, but certainly not Gucci bags or the kind.

Make her job easier-be a fuckable john.

If she's not and it is all business, be prepared to be thoughtful about her request and if you cannot fathom paying the tariff, think it over carefully before commenting to the young lady.

When you do engage in a discussion about rate, be prepared for some give and take. That works pretty much every time.

However, short changing the girl may very well turn the date into an abomination, so be careful.

tra

Re-read my post above. What part of "CLEARLY communicate the details so there's no misunderstanding in what she is getting from the trip." don't you understand?

If your understanding of give-and-take and non-short-changing is:
"Whatever you say, whatever you want, honey."

THAT, my friend, is rich sucker mentality. (Oh, did I say they love it.)

Heck, 10-20 years back he probably didn't have to pay her anything dating a hot chick.

Make her job easier-be a fuckable john.

I can't remember 18-20 years ago.

Believe me connie_boy I've seen it all! All of it and if you think for one nano second I'm a sucker, you go make yourself the most fuckable john you can.

Let's talk about my original ATF for a minute here. Her overnight rate was $6000 for the last few years of her career. We did every configuation of date imaginable beginning with her minimum 3 hour requirement. Not one time did I pay her 24 hour rate for extended day dates, however our give and take was a mutually beneficial affair every time.

There also was a girl named Sky Andrews from Australia who would IM from Brisbane with me about upcoming dates. Her hourly rate was posted at $1200. She and I did many 8-10 hour dates and on one occasion a 2 day off to Vegas romp. Part of the fun with Sky was the negotiation which she loved to do by IM. But again, at no time did I pay her $1200 multiplied by 24.

I think you missed the point of my agreement with you.

My advice to those asking is to practice the give and take approach with the young ladies, it'll prove in the end, if you're good at it, to end up with a mutual agreement that works.

If you insist on being sarcastic with me, I can reciprocate if you like.

tra

Damn, how can I disagree with someone who agrees with me.

Make her job easier-be a fuckable john.

The various permutations have been amply covered by our "dueling posters."

The only thing I would reinforce is the importance of making sure that expectations, whatever they may be, are clear up-front. Otherwise you're in for the world's longest plane flight home.

peas,
Aprime

PS. Not sure I would have the desire to do this either, but it's fun to consider the possibilities. I'd probably be inclined to travel with an ATF with whom I shared some common interests, or perhaps meet a well-regarded provider at my destination.

It's one thing to spend an hour or two or three (paid) with an escort, and have fun doing what she does best where the CLIENT is the focus and he's the one being pleased.

It's quite another to spend 24 hours a day with an escort for 3-7 days doing almost anything together, like a BF/GF as normal human beings where normal interaction and courtesies are in play.

I would think both the escort and the guy wouldn't do it unless there was some level of chemistry beyond the hour or two. And what happens if you're 1-2 days into it and you're having a shitty time? What happens if she gets nasty or refuses to perform and you're stuck with her? Do you reserve the right to stop paying her after day 2 and just tell her to meet you at the airport for the ride home? Is she on her own?

That's the one reason I would never do it: You're on day 2 of a 7 day vacation -- and she gets pissy, insults you, gets nasty, doesn't want to put out.... so what does the guy do? He's already paid for the airfare so her ride home is paid for. But do you continue paying money to a woman who's not living up to the deal? I can't imagine doing that.

Besides, what if she snores like grizzly bear????

Probably not. Hour-long "visits" reveal nothing other than her ability to please the client at some hourly rate because she's being paid to do so. You hope for chemistry, but IMHO you're not learning much.

You find out amazing things when traveling with people -- not all of them good.

I had a girlfriend a number of years back with whom I had pretty amazing chemistry in bed most of the time. But because of our circumstances being single parents, we never did much together outside of the occasional nights together. We finally took a couple trips together... and WHAT A DIFFERENCE it was. She was so high-fucking-maintenance on the road... everything had to be perfect... we had to go to the most expensive restaurants... she was SO picky about almost everything. I never would have imagined, given her background, that she would REQUIRE so many "fine things." And if she didn't get exactly what she wanted, she got really pissy, moody, etc... needless to say after the 2nd trip the relationship ended, and ended poorly. I broke up with her and told her never to contact me again.

I realize the scenario I just described isn't the same as this topic. But it emphasizes how BADLY things can go even if you think you know someone. Remember I dated this girl for several MONTHS before we went on any trips.... so what's a couple sessions and BBBJ's going to reveal?

And in a case like this where it's as much (if not more) about a financial deal, what does the client have the right to do? Can he pull the financial rug out from under her in the middle of the vacation if she becomes intolerable? Seems to me she's in a bad position... it's not like there's some contract where she can come after him later for "not paying." But humans are humans... money doesn't always serve as an incentive for good behavior. And, honestly, if she's only behaving good because of they money, why the hell would you want to spend 7 days with her?