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"I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
 
   She says I need to wear the Cologne that she bought for me.

I need to wear a watch.

I need to change my job.

After she leaves, I feel like I have an incredibly large headache. Is love supposed to be this way?

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1. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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The problem you have is women want a man to change and men want a woman to stay the same.

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3. "Damn, I must've done something very wrong"
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   >The problem you have is women want a man to change

None of my exes wanted me to change. They just wanted my bank account and stock portfolio.

Make her job easier-be a fuckable john.

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5. "RE: Damn, I must've done something very wrong"
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LAST EDITED ON 06-Aug-10 AT 06:18 PM (PST)
 
>>The problem you have is women want a man to change
>
>None of my exes wanted me to change. They just wanted my
>bank account and stock

Ha, they wanted you to change into a bank account and stock portfolio!

I butchered the original statement/misquote and can't remember who said it. It is "women fall in love hoping he will change and men fall in love hoping she won't change." For me, I know I am changing because I suffer from cantremembershit.

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2. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-Aug-10 AT 11:41 AM (PST)
 
I agree with Ferdinand. I will call this fantasy fulfillment disguised as romance. I guess before we go any further with this, ask yourself what you see in her and what is it that you want out of her.
If the answer is purely sex, then why are you in a relationship?
If you're not in a relationship, why jump through those hoops?
Are you in a relationship or just hanging out and having fun?
Does she think the same thing?
If she makes you feel bad, why are you with her?

Figure this out and then move on.

---Longer answer---

IMO, she is not in love with you but rather in love with the fantasy of being in love with you (and your *potential*). She's in love with love and trying to mold you into that vision in her heart.

In short, she has a certain fantasy of what her man should be. You may have the physical appearance or personality, but not the "romantic" attributes. So she is trying to get you to fit into her ideal "fantasy" by . . .
...changing the job (so she can brag to her friends about what you do or earn more money to buy her things).
...The cologne reflects her passion or materialism. (either that or you need a shower or she thinks your cologne isn't that great or she wants "her man" to smell "her way"). FWIW, this is the least of your concerns. If the scent gets her hot and bothered, what is the problem???
...The watch could mean you're not prompt or it is her fantasy that her guy is "grown up" and wears a watch.
IOWs she wants to do a Jack Nicholson in the RomCom. She wants to feel that your changes will make you feel toward her the way Jack's character says to Helen Hunt's character; "You make me want to be a better me."
Well it's either that or she's looking for a daddy figure with a fat wallet.

Is that love? IMO no, that is fantasy and girls are raised to embrace that fantasy (and call it romance). But I'm rather cynical.

Questions that you should ask yourself:
1) If you were to feel miserable with her every day for the rest of your life, is there something redeeming about her that overrides that misery?
2) Will you like yourself if you make these changes?
3) If you rebuke her fantasy indulgences to maintain "you", does she stay?
4) Is this a person that you feel you can build out a partnership and that she'll support you in your endeavors as you will her endeavors?

If the answer to any of the questions is NO, then end it.

**BTW, we do the same thing often. Only it's about looks and sexual fulfillment disguised as romance.

---

If you would like to rectify the situation, you can simply tell her that...
1) Love the person, not the idea of being in love with that person (her current state).
2) You are you. Stop with the Ken doll BS. If she can't love you as you are, goodbye. (Don't worry about hurting her feelings--she obviously doesn't mind hurting yours.)
3) If she thinks you're not good enough as you are, she should find someone who meets the surface level criteria that she deems most important.

If you decide to continue, you need to negotiate and set some boundaries.


IMO, neither of you are ready for a relationship. To use "That 70s Show" as an analogy . . .
...She's being a Jackie. Jackies are girls.
(and this is important because you referred to her in the thread title as a girl)
...Have relationships with Donnas. Donnas are women.

In closing, hang out with girls have relationships with women.

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17. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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I cannot express to you how much you impress me arbiez_temp. What a thoughtful and well articulated response with a great deal of insight.

I am equally fascinated and appreciative of all the responses from the guys. For one who truly wishes to enjoy the company of men, gaining perspective as to how you think and view women is immeasurably helpful. Some of the responses sadden me because of what we have created as a society.

To all that's been said, the only thing I can add is that a woman who wishes to change her man is not a woman who is fulfilled in herself. If she cannot accept, appreciate, and adore you just as you are, she doesn't deserve you. The same works in both directions BTW and why I am now divorced. Having someone constantly badger you to be different (whether more or less) than who you are is disabling and steals your soul. Don't go there. Have the honest discussion that AT suggested.

As for raising my two young girls, I will say that I have reminded them throughout their lives that no friend, male or female, should make them feel badly about themselves. The people you love should make you feel good and happy when you are with them. Accpetance is not acceptence if it is conditional and love is not love if it comes at a price. It is a gift that should be freely offered with genuine respect and admiration for who you are at the core and a willingness to look past your flaws and see you as a whole and wonderful person. Supporting your friends' choices and giving them honest feedback is far different than telling them how to dress, who to befriend, where to work, etc. That's controlling and very dangerous. A friend will hold a mirror up and let you see yourself so that you can make your own decisions but should never expect you to act on their advice alone.

Again, it works both ways. Don't ask her to be something she isn't and don't expect her to simply shut up and put up as that isn't love either. Women are nurturers by nature and need to be reminded (often) that focusing on ourselves to our own positive outcomes is where our energy should be directed and not on external "jobs" that need fixing.

A partnership means we bring the best of ourselves to the table and promise to respect each other and accept each other without judgment or criticism. We form a bond based on shared values, mutual interests and goals, and an expectation that we come to the union whole. I can't imagine anything more romantic than that conversation. (sigh)

xoxo
Ray
I can't help it, I LIKE sex!

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4. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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LAST EDITED ON 06-Aug-10 AT 12:20 PM (PST)
 
Just brush it off, and smoka blunt...ain't nothing but a G thang, baaaaby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EgVsWFHrzs


Live. Love. Play. Relax.

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6. "Maybe, maybe not"
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These are some interesting comments, and many are penetrating and revealing, including arbiez'.

HOWEVER, none of us here has NEARLY enough info about that girl and you to make intentionally helpful comments.

That said, I'll add this -- some men, often the best men, DO want to become better men. That's something to applaud, not deride. If you want to be a better man in the way she wants you to be, then go for it. That change will make you both closer to each other. Change is not bad just because it's change. But change IS bad if it takes you further away from your authentic self, IF you know what your authentic self is. Authentic self usually has little to do with fragrance, or an accessory, and half the time, it has little to do with your job, although for many, including myself, authentic self has a lot to do with my job, why I chose that career, and why I remained in that career.

Even if you break up with her, you may find yourself to be a better man for having been with her. I've noticed both in myself and others, that we often become improved individuals in some way or another after breaking up.

Maybe you should break up with her. But for chrissake, do NOT dig in your heels on the point of refusing to change your cologne, or refusing to wear a watch, or things like that, merely because of the symbolism of it, unless you prefer to be single. Lots of men, especially in older ages, come to the self realization that they have made all the changes they wish to, that they know who they are and why they are, and would rather be single than to change themselves for women. There's nothing wrong with that. If that's what you genuniely want to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbyP8gbb1hw

Be the change
you wish to see

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9. "RE: Maybe, maybe not"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-Aug-10 AT 01:30 AM (PST)
 
You're probably right Oralio. Call it a case of jet lag and a case of been there-done that. (It's not the first time I've posted from personal experience and I'm sure it probably won't be the last.)

That said we don't know anything about age, how long they've been dating, backgrounds, etc. Still if the description(s) fit, I stand by prior comments posted.

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16. "RE: Maybe, maybe not"
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This is so true:

"Even if you break up with her, you may find yourself to be a better man for having been with her. I've noticed both in myself and others, that we often become improved individuals in some way or another after breaking up."

Whether it was a good or bad relationship, a good man will can take some positive(s) out of a former break up. There's always something to learn from it. One move's on and takes the "positive" with you.

And I'm also with you, in that WE do not know enough about the dynamics of anyone's relationship.
Everyone has their own subconcious "spin" on it and it can never really be a 100% neutral.

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7. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   I think it really depends on the context of those requests.

It could be like " I find you so sexy when you wear xxx eau de cologne or nicely designed watch showing through shirt sleeves turns me on"

re: work could be " I hope you are looking because I believe you are capable of finding something better for yourself and I see that you are not happy with your current job."

Or everything could be about " Please make some effort to be successful and upper class man that I want"


First one is totally acceptable, the second .. well no thanks.

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8. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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If you are boning her, you have to do the sex versus bullshit equation and figure out the ratio of sex to shit to determine her value.
If the ass is worth the bullshit you may wish to continue boning her.
If not, you may not.
It's entirely possible you could find a woman who will bone you, and possibly even better, without all of this you need to change shit.
What does she care what you do for a living?
I guess it also depends on her tone when she's telling you all of this.

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10. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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if I where you I would have already been down the road!!!!!!!!

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11. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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Those are the relationships that you leave.Because you don't have to settle unless you want to so it's on you man.

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12. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   Wow. I think you guys are right. Maybe I am not ready for the relationship, but the idea of one.

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13. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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short answer .. yes

if she doesn't give you a headache, she doesn't care ... they can't help themselves

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14. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   Its real simple:

She is controlling and you don't like being
controlled so you have to move on for your own sanity.

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15. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   Depends...she may be the worse thing for you...or the best thing for you. Think about that.

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18. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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Is she good in bed? Does she satisfy you sexually?

Keep your option open. Maybe she's better to be your FWB instead.

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19. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   For most people there is a little more
to real LOVE than that!

Heather
Your Pleasure is my pleasure!

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20. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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If your definition of real love is living in constant headaches and misery, yes. If you are going to come up with the analogy of nothing is easy and real love has to involve with a lot of struggle, I will tell you that you read too much Shakespeare and watch too much Disney.

Real love doesn't have to be hard and a constant struggle. Real love doesn't have to be labeled. Real love doesn't have to be living happily ever after.

Real love can be short lived and problem free.

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21. "Hon, what is that 'little more'?"
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   >there is a little more

Inquiring minds want to know...

Happily ever after, still!

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22. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   Depends on the context.

I dated a woman, that was like this and the issue was control. She wasn't comfortable and secure enough, so she felt the need to control those around her. It came in slowly and over time. I hung out to see what would happen and it just got worse, but it was an interesting experience.

Somethings she demanded, because she felt that is how I should show her, how I appreciated her.

Other things, she demanded, because she didn't like not having control over things.

She wanted to mold me into her vision of what she wanted.

Didn't work out, naturally. She needed to date a wimp that wouldn't mind being lead around by the nose, but then I suspect, she wouldn't be interested in him, because he wasn't strong enough.

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23. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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   " I am going to change him to my style"

" He does not know I am going to change him"

Abra Cadabra

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24. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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Is She your mother?
It appears to be mother's love!

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25. "RE: I met a girl, and she was nice at first, but now.."
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Or if her name is Britney Spears,
I do whatever she says!

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