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Rak_Helion
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"Poems for Providers?"
 
   This may seem odd but I've seen a number of providers in the last two months and I've written poems for half of them. Its pretty silly really because the girls I visit don't give the impression of being especially proficient in the language of this fair country. (And I make no claims of poetic skill.) Yet the girls are lovely and I guess I want to tell them that they meant something to me. So now I'm wondering if other clients have been similarly moved to write things for providers? Or is this dangerous emotional territory?

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1. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 15-Aug-10 AT 00:51 AM (PST)
 
This is a true story.

I was 8-9 and was visiting summer resort in Japan to escape the heat in Tokyo. Our family was pretty unique in Japan as none of us really cared what others think. Basically we were individualists. There was another family like us and the wife took care of me when my parents left for a week of work in Tokyo etc. My nightly treat was her reading me some epic stories like Quo Vadis http://en.wikipedia.o/wiki/Quo_Vadis_(novel)
in her south western accent.lol She also liked to drink and she also fixed me a weaker version of her Manhattan or whiskey and soda..to a 9 yr old boy lol.

As we were all bored in the mountain resort, our main attractions were eating really fresh summer veggies and occasional outing to regional restaurants that served carp and trout or visit old priest at a country
zen temple etc. So she decided she would host a haiku contest one weekend. basically each contestant write a haiku and they are randomly read ( anonymously) and the audience would score each one. We had one very prominent artist and a poet who joined us and as usual people got drunk on wine and whiskey etc.

The lady won the contest and we all really loved her haiku... it was full of images of our summer and beautiful mountain region of Nagano prefecture.

Unfortunately she died relatively young due to pancreatic cancer. We were just so sad that person so full of life would die so young.
she was buried at medieval temple in old capital and my parents grave is right next to hers. Her daughters and husband decided to carve her haiku on her grave and here is my bad translation of her haiku.

Lying down, she is higher* than Mount Asama*
Whore flower*.


*takashi (the character also mean noble)
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Asama
*http://kaigan.civil.tohoku.ac.jp/~sawamoto/pic9/ominaeshi.jpg

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5. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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   Sad story pohaku. I went to a Japanese Buddhist funeral not too long ago for a young man who committed suicide at the age of 19. I must say that the Buddhist priest was NOT comforting as he expressed basic Buddhist philosophy about the transitory (and illusory) nature of life. I'd like to think that life isn't just an illusion and that actions (and poems) can add something lasting to our shared experience of this world. I'd guess that this idea lay behind putting this woman's haiku on her gravestone. A memorial that has some permanence.

So, why write poems to women who may not appreciate it? If I didn't write (some) providers poems, I wouldn't write any at all because 99% of my writing is essentially factual. So it costs me very little and gives me a chance to exorcise some little-used parts of my soul.

I guess my motivation in writing is at two-fold, 1) I'd like the girls to remember me (hopefully favorably) and 2) I'd like them to know that I appreciate them beyond the mere exchange of money for services.

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2. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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Oh gosh...What more do you expect from them? They're prostitutes. Most of them barely graduated high school and who take orders from pimps who are (mostly) black. You're best bet is to learn 'ebonics'. Become a ghetto rapper and promise them the price of fame by offering a CD cover for their 15 minutes of fame, so they can remember 20 years from now after they've been used up when they are a waitress, at Denny's.

Write something like this: "You is fine, sizzurp my wine." Then add the word bitch every now and then. Better yet, just give a generous tip, they remember that better and probably give you more time on a repeat appointment. Don't waste your time. I've only met a few, a handful, of intelligent ladies....I stress a few...but who goes to a session wanting their mind? You came for the looks and the fantasy.

Its probably best to emote your feelings with poetry to someone outside the hobby that can be appreciative. Take that to the bank, that will be 2 cents that will grow in interest, within time.


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3. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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Very well put, Takeover (as I laugh out loud). Let's not forget the background on where a lot of these ladies come from and the type of people they have associated with (or still associate with) on a social basis. Although, there are some who are of very rare exceptions and even highly educated (not necessarily academics, but have refined themselves in being very cultured and well knowledged, along with class).

While on some occasions, I have dabbled in turning my comments about photo posts in silly poetry for sheer fun (more like Dr. Seuss/Mother Goose rhymes really, LOL) to express my appreciation for a very few ladies here (even going as far as giving them endearing pet names), that's as far as I will go. Anything deeper than that is reserved for those that will match your affections one-for-one, in the most genuine and true way. That you will typically find way outside of anyone you'll meet here. Although there is one special lady that I met 3 yrs ago that I connected with really well. She really knew the power and appreciation of romance. She would go out of her way to outmatch me "letter for letter" in the romance department. Today, we remain great and true friends, and we still take any opportunity that we might get to "romance" each other whenever we can, and our "dates" have become of a real "civilian" nature.

So, to the OP, I think it's delusional and futile to profess such a show of endearment you propose to most of the ladies here. There will be some very, very rare exceptions. As Takeover suggests, most of them will not appreciate it, and if I may add, may even take it the wrong way.

-Oryx

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4. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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LAST EDITED ON 15-Aug-10 AT 12:53 PM (PST)
 
Thanks buddy,

I hope you are not talking about Amy Heart! I miss her post...she is very intelligent beyond her years. If you are reading this Amy, miss ya.

Yes, the prostitutes I've met were so doped up on reality tv; the hills; jersey shore; The OC; housewives, etc, you get the picture. I rather have them smoke weed than have them watch that crap, but that is what our society has come to be...a bunch of attention whores when the cameras are flashing. Then to add insult to injury, facebook and twitter. No thanks. I remember a respected provider who retired told me to follow her on twitter...I told her politely, I don't do that shit. You have to be Angelina Jolie to spark my attention to follow you, and even then, I probably wouldn't do that. I don't give a crap, that crap doesn't pay my bills.

Trust me, these chicks put major value on what these black pimps effin do...but if I caught these so called pimps by themselves, they would cry like a bitch. I would put years of stress in my ass whoopin, they would need many years of cosmetic surgery...and that's if they survive the ordeal. That's why I stay away from the bling bling girls...I see a photo in their ad acting like they are down with the streets, I avoid them...I grew up hard from the streets, but trust me, I don't promote that crap...we just want to work hard and be respected...some of these bitches will run back to Roseville or Santa Rosa when things go bad and blend back to their former suburban lifestyle. That's why these effin rappers disgust me, projecting that stupid lifestyle.

Oh well.....remind me Oryx, not to write sober.


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6. "Rimbaud and his Whore(s)"
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   LAST EDITED ON 16-Aug-10 AT 00:00 AM (PST)
 
Rak_Helion – poetry is never wrong. Pay no attention to the condescending, racist haters. Shallow souls can never understand the stirring of the depths of the soul that compel one to seek expression in poetry. True poetry arises directly from and speaks directly to the soul, bypassing the rational filtering mechanism to the ego. I would say don’t write for anyone but yourself. If you find a muse, consider yourself lucky. Speak to your muse, but remember that the muse is just drawing out what is essentially the basic nature of you yourself. So write as an expression of your own soul. If you cast your muse on a whore that can appreciate your words you may well find yourself taking a step forward in life you never anticipated and never could even phantom were you to allow yourself to talk yourself out of expressing your soul.

If you follow thetakeover’s advice, you are following advice that tells you to NOT explore your soul.

A search of the words “Rimbaud” and “whore” produces this hit:

http://www.cinema.ucla.edu/women/carter/carter7.html

"Woman, Red in Tooth and Claw":
Angry Essentialism, Abjection, and Visionary Liberation in Women's Performances

Section 7

“Essentialism is inherent in the program and is thus a problem in materialist/social constuctionist feminist practice. In the poete maudit branch of the avant-garde, as epitomized by Arthur Rimbaud, the artist breaks away from the constraints of civilization by debasing his body to its lowest, earth-bound (feminine) condition in order to release his creative mind. Rimbaud, for example, describes the process as exhausting "all poisons and preserv[ing] their quintessences" (102); he takes on the worst in order to purify it. Thus, Barbara Spackman's discussion of the motif of convalescence in the Decadent tradition is significant. In Spackman's interpretation of the decadent program, the artist becomes ill then enters a convalescent state she describes as androgynous. In this state, the decadent artist must commingle his "dominant animus with the anima" in order to release his vision (feminine, irrational) from the constraints of the (rational, civilized) male principle. What she does not say but which I am proposing is that the sick state is gendered feminine, while the healthy state is masculine. Spackman explains, "Convalescence is a space in-between, a vector that points toward health and away from sickness, a copresence of symptoms of health and sickness. As a commingling of opposites, convalescence becomes the ground for figures of physiological ambiguity, of, one might almost say, physical monstrosity" (58). Because of his convalescent state, the Decadent artist has an "alternate vision" and is able to explore "a different physiology." In many ways, I observe, the alternate vision is associated with the irrationality and physical depravity traditionally linked to women.

In this regard, I think "My Little Lovelies," a poem Rimbaud includes in his lettre du voyant is significant. One stanza reads:

One night you made me a poet,
Ugly blond whore.
Get between my legs,
I'll whip you.
(Rimbaud 73)

In one sense, this poem seems to directly contradict what appear to be feminist leanings in Rimbaud's notion of the female prometheus. On the other hand, the poem also suggests that Rimbaud's "muse" is a decadent woman--a whore (several of them, actually)--whom he subjects to various degradations ("I puked up your greasy hair") and angrily rejects: "And it was for you hunks of meat / I wrote my rhymes! / My love was sticky self-deceit / And dirty games!" His "love" for the whore is the poison Rimbaud takes in and transforms.

I believe that the "angry women" I am discussing here emerge directly from Rimbaud and avant-garde art of the fin de siecle and the 1960s; however, their appropriation of these traditions is filtered through many other theoretical frameworks and cultural systems. For example, filtration through French feminism would highlight the "female prometheus" and filtration through popular culture would underscore the popular, romanticized conception of the "decadent artist" to be found in, say, rock musicians like Jim Morrison of the Doors, or the myth of William S. Burroughs. Let me make it clear that I am distinguishing between Decadent Art itself, which displays few of the characteristics of the art produced by the "angry women" under discussion, and the consciousness of the poete maudit which supposedly produces Decadent art. What I am interested in is the state of mind and body which the decadent artist claims produces illumination and makes the artist a visionary.

It seems to me that the Angry Essentialists are attempting the same feat as Rimbaud. While they are attempting to make visible the damaging constructions imposed upon women over the centuries, they are also trying to release their creative energies from the constraints imposed upon them by male social/cultural/literary structures by transgressing social boundaries and descending into decadence and abjection. I ask, then, what happens when a woman artist attempts to accomplish this as "the boys" have done? Spackman says it is "clear that androgyny as the poetic condition cannot exist for the woman, for where is the animus that would supply the 'andro'? In poetic reverie, she is double anima. The presence of the animus in the woman destroys (Bachelard and Jung concur) the feminine in her; animus and anima are antagonistic forces which produce animosity" (74). Perhaps Bachelard and Jung formulate the problem that way, but I would like to suggest a continuum here which Spackman only suggests. I would argue that the whole decadent program is based upon a dualistic, patriarchal construction of male (civilization, rationality) vs. female (nature, irrationality). Within this construct, sickness (decadence, abjection) is distinctly female (anima, nature); convalescence is androgynous (according to Spackman), and health is male (animus, civilization, rationality). Thus, I ask: if male decadents have achieved visionary heights by subverting their animus (socially- prescribed male role), descending into [the male construction of] femininity (anima, nature) and arriving at androgyny, does the process work the same way for women artists? If the decadent/abject woman represents the poison to be transformed by Rimbaud's program, what happens when the puked-upon whore speaks for herself?

In part the answer depends on whether the artist represents the decadent state, the abject body as "real," or if she is mimicking the constructs imposed upon her. To the extent that she is aware of the construct of the abject/disorderly woman, Karen Finley mimics it, throwing it in the face of patriarchy; Holly Hughes does the same with the stereotype of the lesbian, with a much greater awareness of the stereotypes she is facing. But for the most part, the Angry Essentialists represent the Devouring Mother as "real" in order to assail the construction of Woman as Nurturing Mother, thereby reinforcing deterministic notions of Female Nature as gross and violent. This is not really a problem for male avant-gardists: because the decadent program depends upon the "decadent" state being defined as feminine, when a male artist is "decadent," he subverts the masculine role and becomes "feminine." Thus, Rimbaud and the male avant-gardists derive their subversive power by creating then occupying a marginal position in relation to dominant power structures. But Rimbaud and the avant-gardists do this as men who are assumed not to possess, originally, the attributes associated with this marginal position. When a woman does the same, however, she enters the very role which was designed for her--or, better yet, she is a "lesbian" (as Lynda Hart argues at length in her excellent book Fatal Women: Lesbian Sexuality and the Mark of Aggression). The point is that, while the male avant-garde presents the decadent state as positive and liberating, in dominant ideology it is the male-defined version of what a bad Woman IS, and it represents the state of Nature that Man must fight against to maintain social order. As a result, while trying to "subvert the system" as male avant-gardists have done, the Angry Essentialists often end up reinforcing a conception of the "feminine" which validates the oppression of women.”

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7. "RE: Rimbaud and his Whore(s)"
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   Roses are red......


Violets are blue........


I like to fuck..........


crap, forgot the ending..............

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8. "RE: Rimbaud and his Whore(s)"
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   I think it's:

Roses are red
violets are blue
wipe that jizz off your face
and make me a sandwich.

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9. "RE: Rimbaud and his Whore(s)"
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no, No, NO, tailchaserdude and wizeguy, its like this...

Roses are red

violets are blue

you showed me your tits

thanks for the screw

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10. "RE: Rimbaud and his Whore(s)"
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   I realize that I should clarify one element to my question: the girls I see all hail from South Korea and that is why their language skills are poor. Its not because they aren't smart, though that might well be true.

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11. "RE: Rimbaud and his Whore(s)"
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Yeah sure...all of a sudden they are Koreans, we're on to you buddy ole pal...ok, if they are Korean...You have to meet them half way....you have to talk in a Asian Pidgen English....I would write something like this, remember you have to be whimsical and creative...OK, lights, Camera, ACTION!

You so horny,
me so horny too,

you love me long time,
me love you long time,

you sucky, sucky
me likey, likey

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12. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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   I wrote a song for one, and three haikus for another. Mostly just because I was moved to so, and in appreciation for some really good times.

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13. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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I think It's sweet, Come see me then write me a poem.
xoxox


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14. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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   Don't forget to tell them the one about the man from Nantucket.

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15. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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   'Is this dangerous emotional territory?'

I would'nt think so as long as it's not too mushy gushy!
I would feel very flattered....

Heather
Your Pleasure is My Pleasure!

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16. "RE: Poems for Providers?"
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Roses are red,

Violets are blue.

I just gave you money

Now swallow my goo.

<bows>

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17. "I once dated a hot babe who dumped her ex because"
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   he was too romantic. One of his fav moves was writing her poems to the point she got really sick of it. Go figure.

My 0.02 is "To Each Her Own!" But, I think the odds are against you.

Make her job easier-be a fuckable john.

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18. "RE: Poem from a Provider"
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   A provider I have been seeing for seven years wrote me a poem after we had been seeing each other for 2 years:

I want to share my heart with you,
can you feel it beating,
longing to be next to you?
Your soul plays the perfect melody,
you bring out the best music in me.
I think of you so often,
its like my heart beat;
I never have to think about it,
it is always in my being.

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19. "RE: Poem from a Provider"
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>I want to share my heart with you,
>can you feel it beating,
>longing to be next to you?
>Your soul plays the perfect melody,
>you bring out the best music in me.
>I think of you so often,
>its like my heart beat;
>I never have to think about it,
>it is always in my being.

That's a wonderful poem. He truly appreciated you.

I wish I can write one this beautiful for a Korean girl that I see too.

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