It is a goofy idea.
The more money you pull out of people's pocket at the door

i. the less likely they are to "buy" anything on the inside.
ii. more likely to feel a sense of entitlement (I already paid for).

SC nor AMPs operate that way. The first fee is small enough to get you in the door. Then subject customers to stimulus that send blood out of their big head into their little head. Then they spend stupid money.

The extremely dubious premise is that folks will spend stupid money with the blood is still fully in their big head. Most people aren't that dim on an ongoing consistent basis.

What you will also see is a distinct drop off money on the stage. In a normal SC a significant fraction of folks never buy additional dances nor get the upscale dances. If even get them to enter the club (because making them pay in advance for upscale dances), they sure are tooting aren't going to put any MORE money into the club.

This is quite evident if you go to a club where there is lower entry fee. For example the go-go clubs in the south bay, the amount of money per customer given to dancers for stage show is higher than most nights than at a SC.

Likewise, if pay something crazy to get in the club (like price for which could have gotten some poon somewhere else), customers are going to want value for the dollar. Like you better be holding all the Miss America contestants hostage in the club. If it is just average talent ... there will be lots of folks at the desk asking for their money back.

This is basically how they do it at the FKKs in Germany. It seems to be working there. You even get decent food for the price of admission.

First, this is a common stripper trap. They can all name you a night where some guy came in and dropped crazy stupid on them for not doing much. To infer from that specific day what going to make over course of the year is why more than a few of them end up in financial trouble even though they make upper middle class incomes.

So lets say $40 a guy. 50 guys.
Let say have 15 dancers on the floor. That's 750 guys have to roll through the door to make that work. If one out every three guys get a LD that's more like 2,250 guys coming through the door in a night. (1 out two is still a high 1,500).

Similarly at 5 minutes a guy and 50 guys that's 250 minutes. About 4 solid hours of LD action.

What prompts you to question my assertion, or the girl's honesty?

You may not believe this, because apparently you've not spent much time at MBOT, but as little as 4-5 years ago, the girls were so hot, and the place was so packed, that guys would stand in line to get LDs from a dancer, as they did with her. That translates into non-stop LDs as long as she wanted to do them. And, many guys would get multiple dances from her which translates into even more steady cash. So, believe it or not, 2 grand for LDs on a shift wasn't even a big take. Get your calculator out.

And, WhyTF would anyone be advocating $40 LDs? Nuts.

Try nine or ten years ago ...

>but as little as 4-5 years ago, the girls were so hot, and the place was so packed, that guys would stand in line to get LDs from a dancer, as they did with her.

Huge Chuckle. Several clubs and dozens of dancers have all commented that I'm one of the nicest customers they deal with.

The ones who don't think I'm nice are numerous ROBs. They avoid me like the plague.

If you present an unreasoned assertion, it is not caustic to point out that the emperor is wearing no clothes.

> What prompts you to question my assertion, or the girl's honesty?

What prompts me on your assertion? Knowledge of 3rd grade level mathematics. There is no way a dancer is going to earn $2000 on a shift doing $20 dances.

With $100+ dances, sure. (40second $20 mini-LDs in Ultra room booth, cabana dances, booth dances) I know dancers who post that kind of a number on occasion in SF clubs and more often in Vegas (on certain weeks). Every single one of them do not look at $20 dances as core "money makers" if their goal is $1000+/night.

The dancer could have had $2000 at one point in the evening. She certainly was doing more than entry level LDs to rake in that much money though. $20 LDs was not the principle cause of why she had that much money. Also know enough about the MBOT in the era you are talking about to know that she has likely holding cash that she would need to flip back into dance chips later in the evening. So again, not quite the amount of money you are trying to portray it as being commonly take home cash.

> And, WhyTF would anyone be advocating $40 LDs?

Not sure. I wasn't. The $40 was chosen for two reasons (since apparently reading comprehension deficient also. )

i. To be more representative of the average dance price charged. Choosing $20 would have just more attention to the dubious proposition of having to dance for 8 hours straight get that much money.
$40 is still likely too low a average charged price number but didn't want to focus on what it was exactly.

ii. To drive home the point just how many new customers you need when folks when folks want to chop the prices back down to 1992 levels. Granted the MBOT went on a "great white whale" kick with the $50 LD prices which relied on almost a 1-sucker-a-day. But even back in flush economic times (dotcom era) they'd be hard pressed to move more than 1,000 customers per shift through the place.

Similarly, much simpler math and mapping to number of customers required if drop to $1000/shift in gross revenue ( 25 customers/shift which is only very high.... not stupid crazy high. )

Going from $15 to $5 is a 66% cut in revenue. To trend water they'd need a 45-66% increases in customer foot traffic to offset that (depending on how well the dancers can upsell a smaller increase in customers into high end dances.).

>What prompts me on your assertion? Knowledge of 3rd grade level >mathematics. There is no way a dancer is going to earn $2000 on a >shift doing $20 dances.

When I was in second grade, I would have solved the problem as follows.

The average length of a song: 4 minutes (high estimate)
60 minutes in an hour.

Now, divide that by 4, and you get 15 songs/hour. At 8 hours/shift, you get 8 * 15 dances = 120 dances in a shift.

Take $20/dance and multiply that by $120 = $2400!

QED.

( She may have made that, she hadn't finished her shift when I saw her)

And now, I'll address the silliest of your comments (which is saying a lot), which truly demonstrates your strip club savy:

>Several clubs and dozens of dancers have all commented that I'm one of the nicest customers they deal with.

This might surprise you, but dancers will say ANYTHING they think you want to hear as long as you are paying, or look like you might pay. And, you do probably have to pay for compliments.

I would bet they've even said that to DonHo before!!! haha!!!

Heh, I actually see the humor in this. Completely true story: I honestly had a free afternoon, because I'd planned to go up to a different SC since I knew a stripper I was interested in seeing was working, but she texted me that she wasn't going to make it. I briefly contemplated going up anyway to check out MBOT, but decided to sit tight instead. Without a doubt, if I'd seen her on the matinee lineup yesterday, I'd have gone up. I'd have paid the entrance fee plus gotten a PS, not a lot in the big picture, but if MBOT could lure other of its formerly good customers back ... anyway, long story short, I didn't go up.

Anyway, I continue to encourage the new direction, would like to see more of it, and urge MBOT management to consider that a timely and updated schedule on the web is the next thing to do, and give it out at least a week in advance if not more. It should literally take no more than a couple of minutes to update it; for chrissakes, stop over-engineering the schedule with multiple levels of links to go through, just do a simple list that someone can update easily.

I like your strong words and objective opinions concerning the good direction MBOT is heading in, and what still needs to be done.

Thanks, and I hope they listen to you.

> but as little as 4-5 years ago, the girls were so hot, and the place was so packed, that guys would stand in line to get LDs from a dancer, as they did with her.

NEVER HAPPENED.