Are you saying that competition is ineffective? Then how does TARGET and WALMART survive while Sears, Penneys and other businesses go under or lose market share?

Mayber we should just get STRIPPERS FROM CHINA?

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1. Who are the 'invisible' dancers, and what is the perceived ratio of visible to invisible dancers? do the invisible dancers ever sit around when there are 10 'inactive' customers and 22 dancers in the house?

2. Because the 'default' LD rate would be set at say $10, do you think that the hot ladies won't bargain for a higher rate? I know that i would gladly continue to fork over $20 to my faves...Lowering the expected rate will allow flexibility in negotiating ALL the services as well as attracting more newbies...think of the concept as a 'loss leader' method of marketing. For example, GIANNA banks high money...and she won't do LD...my idea is to not put ANY limit on price of LD and PS-upper OR lower limit, and let market forces prevail....let the dancers bargain without limits..For ex., TYLER used to demand an extra $100 if the customer wanted to 'self-service'...the hot ladies are usually the smart ones amd will make out OK...women at the horse love the ability to work at their own selected schedule (maybe not anymore, given the requirement to work 'slow' shifts)

Why not? Even a "cheapskate" has to pay the cover charge and will end up spending more than an empty seat. And the ladies actually have a chance to squeeze a few bucks out of a frugal customer whereas they can get nothing out of an empty seat.

The division of labor in strip clubs is this: It is management's job to get people into the club. It is the dancers' job to keep them there and keep them coming back.

Like I said in my previous posts, filling the club with cheap-skates drives out the best dancers and the best customers will follow them.

Some businesses might be successful selling as much low quality product as they can, but that is not the only strategy. ChumpChange's "race to the bottom" business strategy for Crazy Horse would turn Crazy Horse into a club I wouldn't patronize.

Aren't they? I suppose they're there to squeeze dollars out of empty seats? A much more profitable and edifying experience, no doubt.

"Like I said in my previous posts, filling the club with cheap-skates drives out the best dancers and the best customers will follow them."

If they are "the best dancers" then they will be making money even if there are more frugal guys in the audience. Why you think this is an "either-or" situation is difficult to fathom. The guys who are spending already will still be in the crowd, it's just that the crowd will bigger with more potential spenders. The dancers will stay and you will stay. Oh, yes you will.

The strip club industry, brain dead as it may be, isn't much different from the rest of the capitalistic world. It is axiomatic that capitalism must keep expanding to survive, that stasis kills it. As an entertainment business, strip clubs must keep renewing their customer base. Assuming that the same fixed number of patrons will always keep the business profitable is suicide. Guys get bored. They find other clubs or other forms of entertainment. Why, some of them even get lives and drift away. New customers must always be found and the way to do that in an economy that is in the toilet is to give them an incentive to walk in the door.

Really, I shouldn't have to explain this. But you're not the only one who doesn't get it. As I've said before, the guys who run the flesh palaces seem to be the ones who get it least.

I reject the premise that dancers have no other options and will continue dancing when their services are devalued. There is a lot of ego involved in them selling their body, and there is a price limit below which girls won't go. I also reject the idea that dancers see cheap customers as an opportunity. High on the list of dancer complaints is guys who go to the clubs and don't tip or buy dances.

Filling the seats with guys who don't spend makes the dancers unhappy, combine that with lowering their value and they will find a better venue, quit dancing, or engage in customer unfriendly hustling. None of these actions benefit the club or engages new customers.

New customers must be found sure, but it must be the right type of customer. The incentive for the right customer to walk in the door is not a low cover price.

As was said, its the mangement's job to lure people into the joint...then the 'little head' takes control....THIS WAY TO THE EGRESS.

Have you been in the hobby long?

You honestly think dancers don't have a minimum at which they are willing to sell their services? Do your own market research and talk to a few about pricing. Straight-up ask them how they would react if CH lowered lap-dance prices.

Management's job is to lure people WHO HAVE MONEY TO SPEND into the club. Capitalized for emphasis.

Another point: What do you think the fallout would be after the announcement of $10 lap-dances? How many dancers do you think would be trying out at other clubs? How many new try-outs do you think CH would be getting?

and the idea that dancers' services are not interchangeable is absurd...ask any PL.
If JESSI is not in the house, I will trip with JADE; if JADE is not around I will check out MYA or DESTINY, etc. that's some hot interchangeability in my book.

...and you still are stuck on the idea that men who pay the admission price are not contributing to the club bottom line...many nights I have observed dozens of customers who pay their $25, sit in the front row, don't tip, don't get LD or PS, yell and scream, etc.
Cheapskates? maybe.

This is the reality you don't recognize, which leads me to believe that you don't do any SC visits..what will be the result of the $10 announcement? You seem to suggest that you have a crystal ball..I don't know for sure, and neither do you....but don't try it 'till you've knocked it..

How many dancers would try out? Let's see...$10/hour for typing or barista gigs versus potential of $100/hour, give or take???
Wow, that's a tough one..

You got that right. But you can't get the guys to spend unless you get them in the door first. And again, you're assuming that there is only one of two possibilities here, a club with a few big spenders or a club filled with cheapskates. Acquaintance with real life will tell you that there is a lot more ambiguity involved here.

"I also reject the idea that dancers see cheap customers as an opportunity."

The dancers don't know in advance who will be the cheap customers and who will be the big spenders. They have to work to find out, which is why this is called a job. And the dancers know they have a lor more chance with a customer than they do with an empty seat. This is a recording.

"New customers must be found sure, but it must be the right type of customer. The incentive for the right customer to walk in the door is not a low cover price."

Like the dancers, the club doesn't know in advance who will be the "right type of customer" so they have to try to do things to convince lots of guys to come in. (And with the economy down the drain there are fewer of the "right type of customer" around.) It's then up to the dancers to make them happy enough to spend money and return to do so again. And the way to get people in the door? Price incentives.

Apparently, many dancers don't understand that concept - especially the really HAWT looking ones - it seems...

Thanks, Eddie/Elvis

Scientific studies indicate that male rats will cross an electrified barrier to get to a female, but will starve to death rather than take the shock...is the incentive to watch naked pussy reaching a level of boredom? its so available and ultimately not that satisfying.

my next question is: do you think that the easy access to on-line porn has skewed the emotional response to the SC attractions? Things certainly have changed since the early days of strip club dynamics...for ex., in the 1990's when hot wild chicks would let you eat pussy at MBOT for a small fee...they wre INTO IT! the greed factor kicked in after 911, as I remember.

If you're into the tactile aspect of SC hobbying, it's hard to see anything online as an alternative, but I don't think that everyone goes to SC's for the same thing.

For instance, the various posts on here at times about - I want a HJ - who can I get a HF from? are totally alien to me. I'm attracted to dancers based on how they look and feel and interact, not whether they perform this or that act. If they express a dislike of being touched and stroked, that's going to limit my repeated clientele, since that's the main "act" that I'm after.

I think this might be a better course of events.

1. Willie Brown got elected and in the mid 90's clubs relaxed their rules.
2. VIP rooms started becoming more private in all the clubs.
3. Internet boom made customers cash rich.
4. Local customers became more knowledgeable because of the internet and started pouring into clubs that had the best mileage, CH, MSC, and MBOT.
5. Stripper's started making bank.
6. Clubs started putting in stage fee's to make some more money.
7. Deja Vu started buying up all the clubs except for CH and MBOT.
8. Dancers started suing clubs for stage fee's
9. To get around stage fee's and pull in the same amount of money, clubs started putting in meters.
10. Internet bubble bursts. Customer visits start slowing down.
11. 9/11 occurs and the clubs start slowing down even more.

I think the greed factor kicked in when the clubs started going after the dancers by demanding larger and larger tips and stage fee's. When Dancer's retaliated by suing the clubs, the only recourse to keep making the same money was to institute meters.

That became a problem. Now customer's had to pay the dancers and the club, this wasn't the greatest value, and with RB, AMPS, AAMPS, Eros, and the escort sites, customers had much more cheaper options. Some went away, and never came back.

Peace

..this is interesting, especially if you try to use 'logic' to determine what drives dancers in and out of various clubs.

Dancers who i respect (yeah) at CH have told me over the years that they could bank more at other clubs but prefer the loose ambience at the Corral.

I see, but don't quite understand the delicate balance between making it worth while for the 'employees' and maintaining a decent bottom line for the management.

Now that we can agree that the SC PL disposable income has in general taken a big hit, an economic analysis is difficult-factoring in the reality that many girls who can't find employment elsewhere, besides a career as a Barista, are trying to become sex workers...when you see 15 customers and 32 dancers my question is, why does management allow seemingly unrestricted dancer attendance..why so much 'inventory'? answer: I suppose that it is advantageous to the club because there is no floor tax on this kind of inventory.

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So...what would YOU do if you were the manager at CH?

Here is what I would try:

1. Hack together a spreadsheet...hire college students-males- to attend all the local strip clubs for a two-week period. this 'auditor' collects information on attendance, number of dancers, price of amenities...and casually 'interviews' the dancers to gather anecdotal information about their likes, dislikes, etc. All expenses are paid by the CH management.

2. Populate the spreadsheet with information culled from the investigation...we are doing market research here....someone who knows EXCEL would be able to extract a trend analysis, etc.

[ in the 1960's, as a college student, i worked one summer for the BARTSC-BART study commission. We were given new 1964 Ford automobiles and turned loose in the East Bay with computer input forms and a list of residential addresses. It worked, I suppose, to determine the citizens' transportation habits and requirements.]

This research into the ambience of strip clubs could very well be a completely useless experiment...but i maintain that the more you know about your competition, etc....

Well i can dream. can't I???