You might also ask........."when will the average rb hobbyist finally truly understand, accept, and openly acknowledge that these girls are not getting into this business because they think it's just so fuckin' great, and so much fun.

Many (admittedly not all, but a helluva lot of them) come to this because they feel they have run out of options. They have nothing. No money, no phone, no car, no computer, no food, no smokes, no weed,.........NOTHING.

Enter the pimp.

I could drone on, and on, and on stating the obvious, but if one does not have the capacity to observe and perceive the realities of our culture, and the reality of the situations some of these young women are up against (or at least believe they are)....... what's the point?

A poor girl with NOTHING, does not just one day proclaim herself to be "a classy, independent and upscale provider".............and somehow overnight, her troubles are over.

I am continually amazed at how many hobbyists really believe this game is so simple.

Edit to add:
Anyone care to venture a guess as to how many well established, independent rb providers are, or may be struggling? You may have to cut through a lot of smoke and mirrors to get a realistic answer, but the number is not small.

Sure the women may be wooed in by promises of material things and its sounds great for many of them who have nothing.. but its more than that. Its the emotional connection with her pimp that really persuades her into this business. She's "spung" on her Daddy.. and he makes her feel loved, connected and secure.. and together they will build their dreams together... but many of them would take being poor and without much if they still had their daddy.

That's the hardest part of hobbyists to wrap their brains around. That's right.. that fuckin HOT HOT HOT piece of ass is SPRUNG in the most unhealthy co-dependent way with someone who knows how to emotionally manipulate her and when he has her really "in pocket" can use emotional, sexual and physical coercion to keep her.

I don't condone or willingly visit girls w/ "management". I like an independent girl who has a mind and enjoys her work. I don't need her to be submissive to me, just a co-creator in a fun time.

I have never even met a pimp, unless notmeithink counts.

I don't even pay TAXES-- why the hell would I give some loser dude MY money? It's bad enough my student loan payments eat most of it up.

ABSURD.

ABSURD. <<

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Thanks, Miranda! xo bd

Amen! We can do this alone, and be safer at it!!! Wake up girls.

Edited: Reason, because to exclude info, however, I believe the poster who quoted me did so delibertly in order to make sure the post gets deleted because of sensitive info stays visible.

Edit: If this thread gets deleted, I will consider reposting if the original poster does not. I believe many have been taken and it should be known. If anyone wants my input for a review, please PM or email me. I will give you as much info as I can.

First, you start out with a wrong premise. Showing the genitalia indicates nothing illegal! She can LEGALLY give you a toy show, so long as neither party offers/agrees to the wrong kind of touching. Since you demonstrated you do NOT know what activities are legal and not, you may want to get some actual data about the law as discussed in this thread http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/DCForumID15/1022.html .

Second, you imply it's his fault she was a ROB because she's ghetto. Again, you start from the false assumption that ghetto = ROB/lousy service. While it's often the case, it's certainly not a truism. Of course, you show your bias when you state ghetto = trash. Your attitude forms the core justification for preemptive persecution. Read what the Na-zis said about Jews in the 1930's and you'll see the same thinking.

U2now, thanks for the clarification. Yep, she's a ROB alright.

I have a friend who found himself in a similar situation. He grabbed her phone as she was calling her pimp. It totally changed the dynamic because he now had something MORE valuable to her than his donation. He took away her communications with the pimp. Since she already made the call, he negotiated directly with the pimp for return of the phone. It took some really big balls, but it shifted the situation to his favor. Since he used to be a Golden Gloves boxer in his teens and had a gun in his car, he evaluated the risk of confrontation with the pimp a bit differently than I would...

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.