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livin4lovin94565
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livin4lovin94565
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3. "RE: I am participating...will you?"
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Those of us who beg calmer heads to exit Iraq because of the disaster it has become, honor those troops every day in our actions.

We also believe, that those who demand their presence with no definable or obtainable objective, dishonor the concept that our troops are told they are being paid to serve for.

We dont need a single day on a calendar to honor and fight for the safety of our military persons..living or deceased.

They should have never gone there in the first place and _every_ argument against Bushco on the Iraq war has come true, while none of Bushco's expectations have.


"ASHINGTON (AP) -- A day after a Pentagon report described spreading sectarian violence and increasingly complex security problems in Iraq, President Bush painted a rosier picture.

"Our commanders and diplomats on the ground believe that Iraq has not descended into a civil war," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address. "They report that only a small number of Iraqis are engaged in sectarian violence, while the overwhelming majority want peace and a normal life in a unified country."
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While the # of fighters involved in the violence may be true, what I do not see as true is the will of the Iraqi people to want peace and a normal life.

The Iraqi military wont solve the problem either, this is a problem only the civilians can solve, and there is little will to do so.


THEY dont want it, and we cant continue to spoon-feed it to people who dont want it.

Exit Iraq..there is no shame in telling Iraq that they have 6 months to straighten their shit out.

Livin..honor those who died _every fucking day_ by looking beyond the lofty ideals and dogma of "freedom" in a place that doesnt want it bad enough to die for it THEMSELVES.

You, me, everyone in here..have pride in our freedom because -we- fought and died for it ourselves. It's our sense of ownership that we live and die for..not some thankless population halfway around the world that has shown us nearly zero respect for the sacrafices we've made on their behalf already.
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livin4lovin94565
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4. "U didnt even look at it completely"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Sep-06 AT 10:00 AM (PST)
 
Its not about the troops.

Look at it again then tell me the same thing

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gatoxman
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5. "Its not about the troops ..."
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Sure it is ... are you awake and aware? When the Prez, Rumy and VP continue to spout propaganda of 9/11 in order to drum up support for the war that puts our young women and men in harms way ... it's MOST definitely about the troops.

Gato
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8. "RE: U didnt even look at it completely"
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No..it is about the troops..and the war.

Those who died on 9/11 are used indiscriminately as tools to manage the information war WRT why we continue to exist in Iraq.

But to be more direct, I also dont need a single day in a year to remember 9.11, im reminded of it everyday in our feeble attempts to find bombs on old ladies and in flip-flop sandals on my 7yr old when we fly.

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livin4lovin94565
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6. "Certain posters"
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Want to politicise the deaths of 2996 of your fellow americans.

Now we know where certain people on this board stand....actually rejoicing in those deaths on 9/11/2001

Sick...very sick


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7. "RE: Certain posters"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Sep-06 AT 01:22 PM (PST)
 
The president you support does … on a daily basis ... I will stop commenting on their deaths the day he stops using their deaths to promote his greed, war and brand of corruption. You should be ashamed of yourself.


And again ... no need to refer to me as "Certain posters", for you ... call me 'Mister Gato' (Are you really that scared of me? LOL LOL)

Gato
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9. "RE: Certain posters"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Sep-06 AT 04:11 PM (PST)
 
What Gato said.

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10. "RE: Certain posters"
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People who emphatically USE the deaths of 2996 on 9/11:

Bush
Rumsfeld
Blair
DHS


They ALL use it to make their political points, without 9/11 being thrust down our throats on a daily basis within political speeches and manifestos from these four specific places, they would lose the one and only indirect reason to be in Iraq..without 9/11 memories fresh in our minds as a placebo..Iraq would be an overnight disaster, and we would leave.

But with the placebo effect of "Remember 9/11?" the context of "Were in Iraq because of terrorism..." has just enough effect to keep those three specific names I mentioned in the comfy chairs they wrap themselves in to direct others to die for what is overwhelmingly a lost cause.

People in Iraq voted..they cried tears of happiness...then hid in the same holes of ignorance they lived in for decades under Saddam and allow the slaughter around them to continue..conform and they wont be targetted. Is that what a people proud of democracy and a willingness to be free act like?

People against the Iraq war..dont speak of 9/11 proudly, in fact, they dont have a need to reference it directly whatsoever to make their point, only Bushco -has- to, and without regard for the fact does so daily.

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oralio
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12. "RE: Certain posters"
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   Oh, get off your simplistic high horse.

YOU are the one POLITICIZING their DEATHS by participating in that maudlin public display of morbid martyr worship.

The other posters here were just trying to point out how those 2996ers should take a second glance at what they were doing, because they might be getting used unwittingly as tools of the neocon propaganda machine.

And for doing that, you irresponsibly take that wild swing that they "rejoice" in the deaths?

If you are so keen about celebrating the lives of dead victims, why not participate in the probable 10's 0f thousands killed by drunk drivers every year? Oh, that doesn't have the same sexiness does it? And you know what gives it that "sexiness?" The romance that they were killed by terrorists. Terrorists who need to be continuously hunted down and eliminated.
In other words, you're a 2996er in order to support the war on terrorism.

Still want to disengenuously claim you're not "politicising" this campaign?

I take it back. You are not an unwitting tool of neocon propoganda.

You are a wannabe architect of neocon propaganda.

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11. "king george doesn't care"
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Sep-06 AT 08:29 PM (PST)
 
about osama bin laden who created this tragedy. we can demand justice for these victims by pressuring king george to catch the real terrorist, obl, and not the ones he created by invading iraq.

it's the war, stupid! end the occupation of iraq!

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gatoxman
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13. "king george cuts and runs"
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LAST EDITED ON 03-Sep-06 AT 12:22 PM (PST)
 
" ... osama bin laden who created this tragedy. we can (should) demand justice for these victims by pressuring king george to catch the real terrorist, obl"

~~ This is the real cut and run ... "repulican style". There's no money or politcal hay to be made by producing OBL. So the president "cuts-and-runs" from his sworn duty and the conservative/neo-cons say peep. Hypocrisy at it's best

Gato
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