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NeoCon
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"The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
 
LAST EDITED ON 04-Oct-06 AT 07:06 PM (PST)
 
Barney Frank got caught running a homosexual prostitution ring inside his condo. Frank, being the jerk that he is, claimed he was unaware of the prostitution ring. (yea, we believe you Barney) Frank also fixed the parking tickets for one of the dudes he was fucking. Yet, Frank never resigned from congress.

Foley sent emails to his teenage twinks, got caught and resigned.

If the democrats were serious about the Foley issue, and didn't want to look like the hypocrites we know they are, they would force Barney Frank to resign.

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Durruti
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1. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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I'm not wedded to any party, so I'll give you insight you might not get from a partisan hack.

Foley was running as a family values, Christian, law and order guy. He was on the anti child poaching committee. Add in the what seems to be a party driven cover up, by the party that has for two decades posed itself as the lunatic Christian holier than thou alternative, and it's too rich to pass up on.

Frank on the otherhand runs as a human rights type candidate. More freedom for individuals. When he gets caught his party didn't get caught trying to cover it up. He came out, a first for a member of Congress. It's more consistant with where he started from.

Both are scandals, but do you think Foley would have been sent back to Washington by his consituents? The electorate generally will accept little lies but the whoppers tend to cost jobs.

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2. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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LAST EDITED ON 04-Oct-06 AT 07:23 PM (PST)
 
Frank broke the law. Of course, if we just want to discuss pedophiles within the democratic party, there's always Mel Reynolds.

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3. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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Look at it from this prospective. When Willie Brown, and John Burton held office they made it no secret that they saw providers. If either one had been busted do you think they would have lost their seats? It was and is illegal.

When Willie was confronted by the fact that "strippers" were in attendance at a birthday party for the then 49's owner Eddie De Bartola his comment to the media was, "I'm not the mayor of Peoria."

People are forgiving of personal failure if hypocrisy isn't added to the mix generally.

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NeoCon
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5. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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You obviously haven't researched the Barney Frank situation. Frank was censured by the congress for being involved in an illegal house of prostitution, as well as fixing 33 parking tickets for one of the male prostitutes working inside his condo.

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7. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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I'm familiar with that scandal. Me personally, I'm way more burned up about the fixing of the parking tickets.

Again though, his constituents returned him to office so my guess is that the majority of voters in his district see it more similarly to me than the way you wish it to be seen.

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9. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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On the otherhand Frank Jordan ran against Willie Brown as the morals in government candidate and then torpedoed his own campaign by giving an interview in the nude to a diskjockey in LA.

Voters expect politcians to walk their talk. It's the inherent advantage of being the party of hedonism.

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11. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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>Frank broke the law. Of course, if we just want to discuss
>pedophiles within the democratic party, there's always Mel
>Reynolds.
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What law did Frank break "of course"?

Mel answered to the public..has Foley..has Hastert?

Romanes Eunt Domus!

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4. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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   Why do you have to run a comparison between Foley and Frank? Why can't you simply state an opinion based solely on what Foley did and those that allegedly covered it up. Why not just simply address the issue at hand -- Foley had very inappropriate and illegal contact of a sexual nature with young males. You simply can't handle it so you obfuscate and deny or misdirect. Not very honest or ethical. Guess that puts you right with the rest of the Republicans covering up or apolgizing for pedophile. Can't imagine where you came out when LImbaugh was busted and then put in rehad for a second time.

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NeoCon
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6. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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>Why do you have to run a comparison between Foley and Frank?
>Why can't you simply state an opinion based solely on what
>Foley did and those that allegedly covered it up.

Because you are using a straw man argument. There is no identifiable proof to suggest any republican or democratic member of congress was involved in a Foley coverup. In fact, the Miami Sun-Sentinel newspaper had this story months ago and didn't run it. Are they involved in a coverup as well ?


As for Foley..he is a jerk and has resigned. Barney Frank is a law breaking jerk, yet democrats continue to support him.

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L8inlife
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8. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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   >>Why do you have to run a comparison between Foley and Frank?
>>Why can't you simply state an opinion based solely on what
>>Foley did and those that allegedly covered it up.
>
>Because you are using a straw man argument.

How are my statements a "straw man argument"?

>there is no
>identifiable proof to suggest any republican or democratic
>member of congress was involved in a Foley coverup.

I guess that's why I stated "allegedly covered it up."

>In fact,
the Miami Sun-Sentinel newspaper had this story months ago
>and didn't run it. Are they involved in a coverup as well ?
>

Foley is a rep out of Florida -- makes sene that they might cover it up. I don't know if they did.

>
>As for Foley..he is a jerk and has resigned. Barney Frank is
>a law breaking jerk, yet democrats continue to support him.

If Barney Frank committed a crime then he should be charged. Was he charged? Why not? I'm not going to answer the questions because I don't care. But you sure seem to be upset about it so 'splain it to me.

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gatoxman
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10. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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"But you sure seem to be upset about it so 'splain it to me."

~~ As my dear uncle in Florida would say "He's got alot o 'splaining to do."

The Ex-chief of staff for Foley and other pages have come out and said what happened. Nothing "alleged" about it. When you're cooked, you're done ... and when you're done ... you're cooked!! ... (or checked into re-hab)

Gato
~ Empty what's full, and fill what's empty

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12. "RE: The difference between Foley and Barney Frank ?"
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   ...anyway, the buzz is that congressmen don't need to use bookmarks anymore, they just bend over their pages.

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