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"Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 14-May-08 AT 07:13 AM (PST)
 
#0, Dems responsible for high oil prices:
Posted by happyjack on 13-May-08 at 09:20 AM

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=295485696665472
Who Is Really Responsible For The High Prices You Pay For Gasoline?

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, May 12, 2008 4:20 PM PT

For the last 28 years, Democrats in Congress and a few Republicans have again and again opposed our drilling for oil in Alaska's ANWR area when we knew it contained at least 10 billion barrels of oil we could be using now.

• For the past 31 years, Congress repeatedly prevented us from building any new oil refineries that we now badly need.


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Here's a link to the Cheney Energy Task Force report:

http://www.pppl.gov/common_pages/national_energy_policy.html

In it you'll find a recommendation that ANWR be opened up to the oil
companies. In it you'll find a recommendation that the oil companies
be given immunity for their role with MTBE. You'll also find
recommendations that the US support the CBT pipeline in the Balkans
and even references to Iraq 's oil reserves. You'll also find
specific recommendations aplenty about gutting the regulatory
systems and the EPA. What you will not find is one word about any
need to build more refineries. Zero, zilch, nada.

Bush appointed Cheney to this spearhead this task-force two weeks
after he took office in 2001. Cheney met with HUNDREDS of oil
executives to build his plan. Do you think they all dropped the
ball on this refining issue? No. They don't give a hoot about
refining capacity; it's traditionally been a low margin business.
Drilling and importing is where the money is.

So let's see. We've got two oil men in the White House. They built
an energy plan with the top oil executives in the country. (It was
translated into legislation in 2005 and passed by the Republican
Congress in the same year.) They've gutted the EPA and the
regulatory system. They lead a military invasion of the country
with the second largest PROVEN oil reserves in the world. The
cost of oil and gasoline have gone through the roof; oil company
profits have gone through the roof; U.S. consummers are paying
through the nose.

And it's all because of Democrats, liberals, and tree huggers. Uh huh, right.



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1. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-May-08 AT 07:52 AM (PST)
 
Dems responsible for ****insert any problems here***** and stick it in the dittohead echo machine.

For example, Democrats are destroying the natural order by:

Lying about Global Warming
Destroying American Business with the Minimum Wage
Illegal aliens
Food labeling
Government transparency when republicans are in office
Teen Pregnancy
Pimples
Flatulence
Trader Joes

Its kind of fun, try some of your own!!! See it through their eyes, make the case.

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2. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   Ear Hair
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4. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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I'm sorry to hear about your maladies. Hopefully they'll be treated under universal health care.

Jack

"If U were smarter, I'd have nothing 2 do"

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18. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   Thank you, I appreciate your concern. Alas, my best days are behind me. The same problem the Republicans have.

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3. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our energy resources.

...and so are the Republicans.

Anyone who thinks EITHER PARTY can escape responsibility is either naive or blinded by partisan denial.

This isn't rocket science.

* America - as a technology LEADER - should have hundreds of the MOST MODERN nuclear plants the world has ever seen. HUNDREDS. And building more.

* ANWR should ALREADY be pumping oil.

* The CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) should NEVER have allowed an exception (loophole) for trucks. The auto manufacturers realized that SUVs would be classified as trucks. BINGO! All the CAFE laws did was PROMOTE gas guzzling SUVs.

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5. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   True, but the partys exist because of money and votes. Ultimately, it is us, our neighbors, our citizens..... viewers, listeners and readers.

Bonus Question: Do you think Big Oil wants to see nuclear power powering electric vehicles???? Are you kidding me??? On the power list (2) Big Oil is rules (3) GE (nuclear etc.), both squish the itty bitty (1,000,xxx,xxx) Sierra Club and (8,234,890,xxx,xxx,xxx) Greenpeace. NIMBYs are number 1.

Federal Government is somewhere between (2) and (900). Thats the ugly bottom line of politics and positive solutions in 2008.

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6. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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>The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our
>energy resources.
---
Bullshit.

Consumers are the ones causing the actual problems...but they seem happy to pay for energy at any cost rather than wholesale change.

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7. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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Consumers are the problem? How is that? It's stupid to act like changing the entire energy structure of this country...one we basically discovered...and be achieved over night.

No, we elect leaders the deal with these issues....and they haven't done a fucking thing....and the left blocks every other solution that isn't wind or solar, two very immature technologies.

Jack

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8. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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Immature technologies?
How do you figure?

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9. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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"....the left blocks...."

Shiiiit, I can't remember the last time that "the left " actually BLOCKED anything on a national level.


"the left blocks"....that's a laugh.

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15. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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>Consumers are the problem? How is that?
---
We consume..we consume too much..we consume too much too inefficiently.

That is how.


Demand is "us"...nobody else.

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10. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   ">The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our
>energy resources.
---
Bullshit."


Jimmy Carter set up the Department of Energy. How that Dept helped or hurt our energy resource management?

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11. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-May-08 AT 12:20 PM (PST)
 
>">The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our
>>energy resources.
>---
>Bullshit."
>
>
>Jimmy Carter set up the Department of Energy. How that Dept
>helped or hurt our energy resource management?

Actually Jim, I said:
"The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our energy resources.
...and so are the Republicans. Anyone who thinks EITHER PARTY can escape responsibility is either naive or blinded by partisan denial."

The Dems and Republicans are allowing big oil to block the construction of nuclear plants. And then they conveniently get to blame it on environmentalists. If you think big oil ISN'T behind the anti-nuclear efforts in America, then I gotta bridge to sell ya, bud.

Ultimately, ALL of our RESISTANCE to solving America's energy problems are sourced in PROTECTIONIST policies for the RICHEST special interests in Washington.

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12. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   I agree with you but I was responding to E4U.

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16. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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>">The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our
>>energy resources.
>---
>Bullshit."
>
>
>Jimmy Carter set up the Department of Energy. How that Dept
>helped or hurt our energy resource management
---
What does the DOE have to do with people chosing to use unwisely, based on their personal selfish needs?

Until today, Americans have -never- considered the cost of the energy required to DO SOMETHING, in their math.

Thats why 'we' got ourselves here. Ya..the Gov refused to look forward..but, we spent and used ourselves to this point.

Personality traits inform others.

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22. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   What is the point of the DOE then? nada.... you proved my point.

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13. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-May-08 AT 03:43 PM (PST)
 
>>The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our
>>energy resources.
>---
>Bullshit.
>
>Consumers are the ones causing the actual problems...but
>they seem happy to pay for energy at any cost rather than
>wholesale change.

You misquoted me. I said:
"The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our energy resources.
...and so are the Republicans. Anyone who thinks EITHER PARTY can escape responsibility is either naive or blinded by partisan denial."

I'm a consumer. And I'd LOVE IT if my state provided my electrical power from nuclear. But PG&E & ConEd aren't building any nuclear plants.

With the stroke of a pen, Kennedy launched a program that put a man on the moon. The government needs to do the same thing with nuclear. We have plenty of nuclear fuel that WE CONTROL. Enough to power America for a long time. Nuclear could solve a SIGNIFICANT portion of our electrical power needs. Then electric cars would actually run on electricity sourced from atomic energy rather than coal fired or natural gas fired electrical plants.

Hmmm. A clean fuel that doesn't provide profit to the Middle East? Go figure. Terrorism solved.


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17. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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>With the stroke of a pen, Kennedy launched a program that
>put a man on the moon. The government needs to do the same
>thing with nuclear. We have plenty of nuclear fuel that WE
>CONTROL. Enough to power America for a long time. Nuclear
>could solve a SIGNIFICANT portion of our electrical power
>needs. Then electric cars would actually run on electricity
>sourced from atomic energy rather than coal fired or natural
>gas fired electrical plants.
>
>Hmmm. A clean fuel that doesn't provide profit to the Middle
>East? Go figure. Terrorism solved.
---
It would be nice if the voting public would stand behind that, instead of buying into the "what if" scare tactics either side uses.

Back in Kennedy's day, "what if" was a message of hope. Anymore its a message of fear.

Ive long wanted to write a long long blog about the loss of "what if" as a positive message of change.

If today was 1960, the moon would be too dangerous, and "what if" there are strange viruses..we wouldnt go. We'd be scared shitless to even try.

What if?

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14. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   > The Democrats ARE to blame for the mismanagement of our energy resources.

...and so are the Republicans.

Anyone who thinks EITHER PARTY can escape responsibility is either naive or blinded by partisan denial.
>

Duh!

>* America - as a technology LEADER - should have hundreds of the MOST MODERN nuclear plants the world has ever seen. HUNDREDS. And building more.
>

That is the most misguided use of technology and water too, for that matter.

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19. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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>>* America - as a technology LEADER - should have hundreds of the MOST MODERN nuclear plants the world has ever seen. HUNDREDS. And building more.
>>
>
>That is the most misguided use of technology and water too,
>for that matter.

Why?

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20. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   Because cars run on nuclear energy.

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23. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   >Because cars run on nuclear energy.

Indirectly they could run on nuclear energy. Electric cars running on nuclear-sourced electricity would be a nice clean-air solution that did not fund terrorism.

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21. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   LAST EDITED ON 15-May-08 AT 03:23 PM (PST)
 
>why

Why do you and so many others insist on putting your energy eggs in one basket?

The lion's share of a sound energy policy should include all renewable sources, instead of the big four, nuclear, oil, coal and natural gas. We've spent enough on nuclear technology with the same unanswered radioactive waste and safety questions today as in the 1970's.

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24. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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   >>why
>
>Why do you and so many others insist on putting your energy
>eggs in one basket?

I'm not insisting on putting my eggs in one basket. I'm suggesting a PROVEN solution that could SIGNIFICANTLY reduce our reliance on OIL. A PROVEN solution.

Over time we could run a majority of cars on nuclear-sourced electricity and have cleaner air.

Whether you like it or not, oil is going to become a MAJOR national security issue in the next 20 years, and we need to start NOW to drastically reduce our consumption of it.

Nuclear is PROVEN, so we can ramp it up now, and we can still bring a mix of solar, wind, etc online too.

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25. "RE: Dems responsible for high oil prices (Part II)"
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>>>>> Over time we could run a majority of cars on nuclear-sourced electricity


In an even shorter time we could run a majory of cars on coal
sourced electricity - which is where most of our elctricity already
comes from now.

Nuclear and oil are largey unrelated issues.


When Detroit rolls out those nuclear powered cars I got dibs on a
car date with Judy Jetson.

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