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"What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
 
While millions of Americans shed phony tears for the death of one more celebrity they were happy as hell to gossip about back before she was dead and was just some spoiled rich bitch with a drug habit and an abusive husband...I grieve for these guys.

If you want to shed a tear for the death of someone you never met here's a list.

http://www.iraqwarheroes.com/

These are our heros. Not Whitney Houston, not Clint Eastwood, Not Michael Jackson, Not Eli Manning, not Lebron James.

The celebrity hero worship in the is country needs to end. It's time we showed honor and grief to those who deserve it. To those who's deaths are ultimately our responsibility as Americans.


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1. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   Some of us have enough compassion for both Iraqi heroes and Whitney Houston. We don't need to choose between them.

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14. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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>Some of us have enough compassion for both Iraqi heroes and
>Whitney Houston. We don't need to choose between them.

If you had compassion you would have been against the war ever starting. Having it now is both convenient and illustrates what you are really about and compassion is not it.

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2. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   I am sorry that people died in Iraq but they are not heroes.

They were used to perpetrate an illegal and immoral invasion of a country that had done nothing wrong except have a lot of oil underneath it. They turned what was the most advanced of all the middle east countries into a smoking hellhole.

They are all in truth war criminals.

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4. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   I opposed the war and Bushco...not the warriors.

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5. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   Soldiers participating in an unjust war doesn't make them heroes, it doesn't necessarily make them criminals either. The criminals are those leaders who are getting rich off perpetrating the wars.

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11. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   "The criminals are those leaders who are getting rich off perpetrating the wars."

I agree and I when I say that soldiers are war criminals I don't believe that they should be prosecuted. They are for the most part dupes. They are being used.

But the "wars" are crimes and I believe that one thing that needs to be done to stop them is to stop calling the participants heroes. Would we call the German soldiers who participated in Hitlers invasions of other countries heroes?

That these "wars" are being fought to protect our freedoms and that the soldiers are heroes are two of the principle lies that Americans live by. Neither are true and we all need to say so.

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12. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   > That these "wars" are being fought to protect our freedoms and that the soldiers are heroes are two of the principle lies that Americans live by. Neither are true and we all need to say so.
>

They're more like myths than principles, another of my favorite American myths is that our justice system is the most perfect and the constitution IS perfect.

>Would we call the German soldiers who participated in Hitlers invasions of other countries heroes?
>

It depends on whether or not they had intelligence to share afterwards with us about the new bogey man - the USSR. While we might not make them heroes, they would be made rich and forgiven for their mistakes.

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3. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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LAST EDITED ON 13-Feb-12 AT 07:25 AM (PST)
 
Thanks for the reality check. The left likes to rail on the wealthy unless it is one of their favorite wealthy singers,actors or athletes.

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6. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   > The left likes to rail on the wealthy unless it is one of their favorite wealthy singers,actors or athletes.
>

I'll try to explain the appeal of WH. She grew up poor in Newark singing gospel and then R&B and then crossed all cultures to become an American musical icon.
Strange the corporate EMMY powers eliminated Gospel and other grammy categories in which she had previously won.

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15. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   LAST EDITED ON 13-Feb-12 AT 01:02 PM (PST)
 
Growing up poor would not insulate any of the rich against the left's vitriol. Only being a political or cultural ally will do that.

Exception: If Whitney Houston had been an outspoken Republican, you guys would be dancing on her grave.

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16. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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Ah yes, the vehement railing against the demonic yet undefinable "left." How novel, effective and welcome.

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17. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   I don't recall her being an outspoken democrat.

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21. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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I don't know that she was political at all until he put up his bullshit straw man argument.

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19. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   Where has it ever been said that she grew up poor?
Her mother is an award winning gospel singer.
Her Cousin: Winner of multiple Grammy awards (and the profits from her psychic chat line). Dionne Warwick
Another Cousin: Well reknown R&B singer in the 60s who also did some producing. Dee Dee Warwick
Her Godmother: The "Queen of Soul". Aretha Franklin

I don't think she wanted for much as a child in terms of material possessions. She might have been a victim of "child star" syndrome performing at such a young age.

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20. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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LAST EDITED ON 13-Feb-12 AT 02:20 PM (PST)
 
Artists don't make much money, sweetheart.... even less back then. Producers and songwriters make the big bucks. The artist most times ends up owing more than they made. Besides, since when does one family member's success equal family riches?

She WAS indeed raised in a poorer part of Newark.

http://www.contactmusic.com/info/whitney_houston

Other interviews and stories have validated this.

I put the "ass" in class.

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22. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   I don't mean to pick nits but didn't you read this line from your own article?

"Following the Newark riots in 1967, the Houston family moved to West Orange, a more middle class part of New Jersey."

She was 3 or 4 when they moved to Orange. Not exactly your standard ghetto "rags to riches" story.

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23. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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"more middle class" = rich?

Is success only admirable if you've come from DEEEEEEP in the trenches? I think not.

My purpose was not paint her as poor, downtrodden and from the hood.... it was simply to say that she did not grow up with a silver spoon in her mouth.

I put the "ass" in class.

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24. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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Life is about choices. Silver spoon, no spoon, or fork, or plate, or table, or whatever, her life and her death were about the choices she made. I am not necessarily blaming her for anything either, I am just saying. This applies to all of us. Nobody is immune.

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7. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   Hmmm....I might agree with you about excessive celebrity worship, but you've picked a poor example to make your point. People grieve the death of an artist like Houston because they were touched in some way by her work; the beauty of her voice and what she did with it. It's not necessarily her fame people are mourning, but her artistry.

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8. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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>Hmmm....I might agree with you about excessive celebrity
>worship, but you've picked a poor example to make your
>point. People grieve the death of an artist like Houston
>because they were touched in some way by her work; the
>beauty of her voice and what she did with it. It's not
>necessarily her fame people are mourning, but her artistry.

Well said.

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9. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   Then stand up and make a difference when lying Politicians like Bush and Cheney, and cowards in Congress take us into the wrong war, for wrong and ever-changing reasons. Open your eyes and then get to work protecting soldiers doing their job, and innocent civilians who were in the wrong place, too.

War and occupation is nothing to be taken so lightly as these chickenhawks do. Read Colin Powell, or others who know war. Learn the lessons of Viet Nam and now, Iraq!!!


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and I like ur link

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13. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   You are my new hero!! Someone other than myself saying what they really feel without having to be P.C..I can almost justify women having to be drama queens and grieving for a person who didn't know they existed but a man?

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18. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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I wasn't aware that heroes were the only ones worthy of our grief.

It may not matter to you, but Whitney, in her younger days WAS a hero. She was a pioneer in music and gave many young vocal musicians (especially those of color) someone to look up to.

It's also really nice to know how you feel about women who are abused and/or held by addiction.

I grieve for those who judge without knowledge, speak without thinking, and live without compassion.

I am also grieving my dropped ravioli... dammit

I put the "ass" in class.

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26. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   >I grieve for those who judge without knowledge, speak
>without thinking, and live without compassion.

And how many of us here can say we have never fucked up. And how many of us would like to be judged only by our fuck ups.

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25. "RE: What I Grieve For....Or Fuck Whitney Houston"
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   Although I can't really say I'm grieving over Whitney Houston, I don't think that grieving over someone's death is the same thing as honoring someone. I think most of us have room in hearts to do both.

Don't ask for whom the bells toll -- it tolls for you.

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