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"An unarmed 17 year old child...."
 
   http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21843760/teen-accused-el-paso-officers-fatal-beating-indicted

I bet he likes Skittles.

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1. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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I wonder if the kid can use the (Stand Your Ground) defense. Maybe the kid thought HIS life was in danger? Maybe the off duty cop should have called 911, and let (on duty)cops handle the situation?

There's too many "maybes" in this story so far? On the surface it sounds like the 17 year old used excessive force on the (off duty)cop. (As odd as that sounds).. IMO There is no reason to continue beating someone once they're unconscious. It will be interesting to hear (the OTHER side of the story)?

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2. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   >I wonder if the kid can use the (Stand Your Ground) defense.
>Maybe the kid thought HIS life was in danger? Maybe the
>off duty cop should have called 911, and let (on duty)cops
>handle the situation?
>

Maybe the cop would be alive today if he shot the 17 year old violent thug before he was beaten to death.

Zimmerman was in that same position and he's alive today.

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3. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   How can it be possible that a 17 year old child beat a 29 year old man to death ??

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5. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   Try reading the story genius. There was more than one kid involved. That is why they were looking for the other "assailant's".

What's it like to know the jury members are now admitting they got it wrong, but still continue to bleat like an idiot that you are right? Now the jury members want God to fix their mistake.

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11. "more lies and stupidity from the Trayvon nuts"
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-Jul-13 AT 07:18 PM (PST) by (moderator)
 
"What's it like to know the jury members are now admitting they got it wrong"

No jury members "admitted that they got it wrong". The 1 juror that says zimmerman got away with murder still insists that they didn't have the evidence to convict him.

"Now the jury members want God to fix their mistake."

. Th3 rest of the jury released a statement saying that the comments of the one dumbshit didn't reflect their views.

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12. "RE: more lies and stupidity from the Trayvon nuts"
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You know they don't like to let the truth get in the way of a good (well poor) race baiting rant.

...and that's, one to grow on.

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13. "RE: more lies and stupidity from the Trayvon nuts"
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-Jul-13 AT 07:18 PM (PST) by (moderator)
 
where did I mention race? The only one that can't seem to get it off their minds is you. Get over yourself.

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14. "RE: more lies and stupidity from the Trayvon nuts"
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   Hey corncob, are you a fruit or a vegetable?

You're full of shit. The jurors are regretting their decision. That's why they are all laying low now...because they know they fucked up.

They were given the option to convict on a lesser charge.

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15. "RE: more lies and stupidity from the Trayvon nuts"
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   they know they fucked up.

They were given the option to convict on a lesser charge.

Given the evidence, they got it right. The prosecution could not prove Zimmerman didn't act in self defense. People are innocent until proven guilty.

I think it was a bad idea for him to be out there "patrolling" with no hand to hand skills to protect himself but he didn't break any laws and got attacked.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/say-hello-to-roderick-scott-the-anti-george-zimmerman.html

Do you think this jury fucked up?

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16. "RE: more lies and stupidity from the Trayvon nuts"
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   If you shoot at a criminal whose robbing your house, and the robber ends up killing you, is that self defense? Or is that murder? Does the robber have a case of self defense if he was only planning to steal from you but not to hurt you?

You have to look at the ENTIRE event that transpired that night. Not just the part where Trayvon (allegedly) attacked Zimmerman. If they had been passing each other on the street, and Trayvon attacked him for no reason, you have got a case of self defense but he was actively chasing that kid.

You guys can claim he didn't break any laws but there are lots of behaviors that are not acceptable, and not in the books specifically as against the law. The point is, would you find it acceptable if you had a kid or grandkid that got killed by a guy that was tailing them for no reason at all except he thought they looked like a criminal. I seriously doubt you would think it was within the law under those circumstances. This is where the jurors fucked up. None of them would have let him go if he killed THEIR kid. So it was not a justified killing.

If you really believe Zimmerman was within his rights, then put one of your family members in the place of the kid, and see if you still believe as you do.

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17. "RE: more lies and stupidity from the Trayvon nuts"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Aug-13 AT 06:16 AM (PST)
 
Impossible, none of my family is a drugged out dirtball thug, who gets upset when his opponents "didn't bleed enough"'. Not a one of them would choose assault over The warmth of home

Martin's reckless behavior got him killed. Fortunately unlike so many like him, he didnt take anyone down with him.

PS-Fortunately a court of law isn't about "what if you raised a violent drugged out monster" but instead about, you know, the law.

...and that's, one to grow on.

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18. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   Try reading the story genius. There was more than one kid involved. That is why they were looking for the other "assailant's".

Three youths participated in the vandalism of his car. Only one of the youths attacked Molina.

"Molina identified himself as an officer and that's when Juan Gonzalez, 17, slammed him headfirst into the concrete knocking him unconscious, while the other members of the group watched."

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19. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   Why identify them as assailants then? Instead of witness's?

You ever seen a group of kids stand back and watch while one of theirs fights one on one?

They watched him start the fight, that doesn't mean they did not join in.

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21. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Aug-13 AT 06:15 PM (PST)
 
Why identify them as assailants then? Instead of witness's?

Because if you are involved in a crime it doesn't matter if you were responsible or not, you are guilty. You drive the get away car in a robbery and someone decides they need to shoot someone, you are guilty also.

You ever seen a group of kids stand back and watch while one of theirs fights one on one?

In my younger years I watched and participated in many fights. As long as "one of yours" has the upper hand and complete control you stand back and let him kick the guys ass. If the fight starts to even out, then you jump in. No need to jump in otherwise. He was in control from the minute he punched him. Probably only lasted a couple of minutes anyways.

BTW, I doesn't appear Molina even knew what hit him. It seems he was focused on a verbal confrontation with another youth. If Gonzalez's sucker punch didn't knock him out, it knocked him senseless.

http://site.ninjacops.com/blog/16467/police-officer-dies-after-severe-beating/

"The situation began to escalate when Gonzalez stepped between the officer and Gomez. Molina “pushed” Gonzalez out of the way and redirected his attention to Gomez, the most recent affidavit says. Then Gonzalez allegedly punched Molina in the face with his fist, stunning the officer."

I have seen it happen so many times. Someone so wrapped up in a verbal confrontation and never see's the first punch coming. Fights over befor it gets started. Size, age, what ever, a well thrown punch on an unsuspecting person gives you a decisive advantage in an altercation.

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22. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   >Why identify them as assailants then? Instead of witness's?
>
>Because if you are involved in a crime it doesn't matter if
>you were responsible or not, you are guilty. You drive the
>get away car in a robbery and someone decides they need to
>shoot someone, you are guilty also.
>
>You ever seen a group of kids stand back and watch while one
>of theirs fights one on one?
>
>In my younger years I watched and participated in many
>fights. As long as "one of yours" has the upper hand and
>complete control you stand back and let him kick the guys
>ass. If the fight starts to even out, then you jump in. No
>need to jump in otherwise. He was in control from the minute
>he punched him. Probably only lasted a couple of minutes
>anyways.
>
>BTW, I doesn't appear Molina even knew what hit him. It
>seems he was focused on a verbal confrontation with another
>youth. If Gonzalez's sucker punch didn't knock him out, it
>knocked him senseless.
>
>http://site.ninjacops.com/blog/16467/police-officer-dies-after-severe-beating/
>
>"The situation began to escalate when Gonzalez stepped
>between the officer and Gomez. Molina “pushed” Gonzalez out
>of the way and redirected his attention to Gomez, the most
>recent affidavit says. Then Gonzalez allegedly punched
>Molina in the face with his fist, stunning the officer."
>
>I have seen it happen so many times. Someone so wrapped up
>in a verbal confrontation and never see's the first punch
>coming. Fights over befor it gets started. Size, age, what
>ever, a well thrown punch on an unsuspecting person gives
>you a decisive advantage in an altercation.


Bravo, your post covered it very well.

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23. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Aug-13 AT 08:01 PM (PST)
 
>BTW, I doesn't appear Molina even knew what hit him. It
>seems he was focused on a verbal confrontation with another
>youth. If Gonzalez's sucker punch didn't knock him out, it
>knocked him senseless.

This just proves my point. They were trying to make a comparison to the Zimmerman/Martin incident. A one on one fight. Even if the other kids were not actively punching him, he initially got sucker punched while dealing with another kid. Nothing like the Zimmerman/Martin incident.

As far as your remark about seeing a group of kids lay back while one of their partners fought, I've seen the exact opposite where they ganged up on the guy fighting their friend.

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4. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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This is why Zimmerman was correct in shooting Martin. There should be a bounty on them.
Fuck these wanna be gangsters. You people that want to cry for punks like Martin should be ashamed.

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6. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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LAST EDITED ON 27-Jul-13 AT 04:59 PM (PST)
 
>This is why Zimmerman was correct in shooting Martin. There should be a bounty on them.
>Fuck these wanna be gangsters. You people that want to cry for punks like Martin should be ashamed.

Maybe the (off duty) cop was a racist like Zimmerman? Maybe kids are the ones to adopt the "new" policy of (beat that racist ass to death first) and ask the racist cop questions "later"?
Maybe this is a new trend we're starting to see? Anytime you see or "think" you see a racist.. "Just beat their ass to death" and be done with it? Stand Your Ground can be a double edged sword.
I get the impression that it's not so much "fun" when you're on the "other end" of an ass whipping turned murder is it?

Interesting?? Like I said earlier.. It's going to be interesting to see what the details are in this case?

It really would be "something" if the (off duty) cop waltzed up and proceeded to verbally assault a group of kids AND threw the 1st punch now wouldn't it? If he would have just called 911 and let (on duty) cops handle the situation, he would be alive today.

Did you really think people of color were going to "fear" you?.. or the "badge" for that matter. Silly fools.. All you're doing is sealing your "own" fate.

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7. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   >Maybe the (off duty) cop was a racist like Zimmerman? Maybe
>kids are the ones to adopt the "new" policy of (beat that
>racist ass to death first) and ask the racist cop questions
>"later"?

It's gonna be hard to play the race card in this killing since Molina (cop) and Gonzalez (17 year old thug) are both Hispanic.

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8. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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>It's gonna be hard to play the race card in this killing since Molina (cop) and Gonzalez (17 year old thug) are both Hispanic.

HA! The Race Card?? Where? Newsflash dude.. Race is a fundamental issue with a LOT of people in America and I have NO problem playing the "Race Card" when it applies.. Furthermore, if you comprehended what I wrote, you would have took notice of the "several" instances where I used the word... "Maybe" Not only that but it's VERY POSSIBLE for an Hispanic person (or even a Black person for that matter) to be racist against someone in their own culture.
Would it have been any different if I said..
"Maybe the Hispanic cop approached the kid and said You little punk ass Mexican Wetback Asshole I'm going to beat the shit out of you"

OR.. If I said...

"Maybe" the off duty cop said "I'm making a citizens arrest, and I'm holding you here until the police arrive"

I don't "know" what (if anything) was said before the cop got beat to death, and NEITHER DO YOU.

Do you recall me saying this? "There's too many "maybes" in this story so far? On the surface it sounds like the 17 year old used excessive force on the (off duty)cop. (As odd as that sounds).. IMO There is no reason to continue beating someone once they're unconscious. It will be interesting to hear (the OTHER side of the story)?"...

I don't have an issue speaking about "Race" in any context. That seems to be "your" hangup, not mine.

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9. "RE: An unarmed 17 year old child...."
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   >>It's gonna be hard to play the race card in this killing since Molina (cop) and Gonzalez (17 year old thug) are both Hispanic.
>
>HA! The Race Card?? Where? Newsflash dude.. Race is a
>fundamental issue with a LOT of people in America and I have
>NO problem playing the "Race Card" when it applies..


I will agree that you have no problem injecting race into a debate.

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10. "I'm so sick of this topic"
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SHUT-UP SHUT-UP SHUT-UP SHUT-UP

please please please shut-up
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20. "RE: I'm so sick of this topic"
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   It has displaced 9/11 though.

But yeah, endless Martin-Zimmerman rants and reheats...

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