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"AMPs and Human Rights"
 
   I'm hesitant about AMPs not because I don't like Asian girls but because most of the AMPs in my area don't seem like pleasant places to work (all the girls stay in a back room all day; doors locked with mamasan at front so girls can't leave; general concerns about the sex trade).Does anybody know if most AMP masseuses are there out of their own volition? I'm worried that a lot of them are working as masseuses either because they are victims of sexual slavery or because they can't find/don't feel able to take other jobs, and not just because it's easy money. I'd like good service of course (nice, hopefully topless massage with a skillful hand release, not FS), but I'm still reluctant about the implications of patronizing your average AMP. And I know it seems hypocritical to seek out a human rights-friendly massage while eating produced picked by migrant farm workers and buying shoes, clothes, etc. produced by sweatshop laborers, but I feel like getting a sensual massage is much more of a capricious luxury than munching bagged salad greens or wearing Nikes (not to mention the fact that it's probably easier to leave a farm or shoe factory than a massage parlor). Please feel free to refute my argument.

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1. "AMPs and the working women"
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-Jun-09 AT 02:58 PM (PST)
 
Good topic and well said, but omitting Human Rights.

If the RA speaks reasonable English, I love discussing many social topics with them and occasionally post a small part of it in reviews.

Starting with the old depressing KP days years ago where four or five women were sleeping overnight on the sofas or floors in one apartment, I felt most of what you do. But they were RAs with whom no meaningful discussions could be held.

No longer does it seem the way you are feeling. These days when speaking with the RAs, each and every one:

• 1. Knew why the were coming to the USA

• 2. Knew what they were going to be doing

• 3. Knew for how long they intended to stay

• 4. When asked if they wanted to go outside and walk or go somewhere, the vast majority said they wanted to stay indoors and make money. Yes, I few were told they shouldn't leave, but that didn't seem to bother them.

• 5. Even when Aunt Flo visited, virtually no one wanted to leave their place. Cute Vivi, Josy, & Maxine were exceptions.
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Only two seemed "cheated". One was a 30 yr. old RA with Amy/Tina's group who alleged that the man who arranged her trip promised her a pretty place with a large gymnasium and cafeteria. She left that group in a taxi after two weeks and went Indy and still is Indy.

Another felt she had to work longer than she wanted because the "man" who arranged her TW to USA trip somehow increased his fee.

A third RA, age 27, was engaged and missed her family, so she left after one week of her second tour. Her leaving was not based on the working conditions here.

Note the number of RAs who keep returning.

It could be that money produces denial.

Let's hear from others.


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2. "RE: AMPs and the working women"
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   Great response astroglide. Bump...

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3. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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I've never gone to AMPs in The City, only the SB and Pen. Most of the girls speak English and have mentioned family or going to parties or clubs. I'm sure many hate the circumstances that landed them there but I've never gotten the impression that any of these RAs are their against their will.

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4. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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Hell I wasn't allowed to leave the kitchen when I worked at mcdonalds. Wasn't allowed to socialize with customers. Got shitty pay. So what.

You need to stop looking at specific conditions, and instead determine if they knew what they were getting into, have the option to cancel within reason, and perhaps most importantly - do they come back, or introduce their friends into the same business? They come back often, often with new friends.

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5. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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You have been watching too much of that sensationalize crap from CNBC.
There are always the exception to the norm but for the most part almost all of these women are here by their own choice.

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6. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   Perhaps you guys could suggest to me an AMP where you know the girls chose their line of work. I'm not doubting you, I just want to be sure my money is being well/not evilly spent.

P.S. I do kinda doubt that any AMP worker would admit to not wanting or have chosen to do their job, but that's another can of worms.

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7. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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You have too much moral conflict and perhaps it is best you don't hobby. Even high price escorts there are no guaranty that she is not force into doing this. I take out all the complication by looking at it as just getting a service like getting an oil change, hair cut, but in this case clearing the pipe.

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8. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   Thanks CaptainQ. I think you're right. Good luck to you all.

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15. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   This question comes up all the time. Whether its to test the John's out in here or not, we all basically say that these girls are not forced to do what they are doing against their will's.
I think that John's that have conflict's with this hobby, shouldnt hobby at all. Its that basic and its that simple. There's issues there that you can't shake and the net result is that you don't end up enjoying yourself and just flushing your money down the toilet.
When I recently joined the ranks and file of hobbier's,
I went in knowing that this hobby is'nt squeeky clean or rated PG13.
All of us get our hand's dirty and its all part of the deal.
Lets face it: We're not a bunch of saints and angels.
For those of us that say otherwise, then we're just hipocrites like politician's are.

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19. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   I said it before and I will say it again, street hookers=Johns, massage parlors=customers, escorts=clients. When I walk into the amp I am a customer. Johns are cruising the streets, a different species altogether. 1z

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10. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   As a guy who loves Asian women and also has the occasional moral crisis about trafficking and the like, I can tell you that in the vast majority of cases, at least in the United States, the horrible stories of trafficking that you see on MSNBC are by far the exception and not the rule (However, I genuinely think that there are many cases of trafficking in third world countries revolving around sex tourism).

Sure, you can look at girls coming from Asia to provide over here being 'victims' of economic exploitation of a sort -- that women who may not go into prostitution do so because they can fuck a bunch of guys for a year and take care of their family back in Vietnam or whatever for the rest of their lives, and yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the immigration status on some of these girls is kinda iffy, but you have to also look at it from the other side.

I've met multiple girls, and not just in the bay area, that choose when and where they are going to work and who they are going to work for. Yes, some of the 'agencies' can be shitty, and girls generally leave when they want to leave and either work for another group or go indy, etc. I've known girls that grouped together to start their own little co-ops complete with their own PO. They help other girls get their start...setting up shop in town and referring their favorite customers to their friends.

Many of these women get to control their own situation, run their own business in some cases, and make an ASSTON of money, and none of that was available where they were. Not to mention it's much more likely that these girls would be treated worse in the Asian sex trade.

In general, I think it's pretty much a net positive, and think governmental intervention in the sex trade in the name of sex slavery is really about NIMBYism, not about actual protection of the rights of people.

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11. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   Well, if you are so ambivalent about visiting an AMP, there are plenty of TAMPS that can provide a low-key atmosphere. As for the issue of sex slavery, I have seen a number of RA's at Macy's, Starbucks and other places. I've seen them pull iPhones out of their (high-end brand) purses. Younger RA's are typically more shy and may come across as if they had no choices. The older RA's I know have their eyes wide open and, at minimum, make the most out of what they do. I think some even enjoy their work.

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12. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   what about my right to fuck?

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13. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   great topic and responses. i've struggled with the same issue, and have come to many of the same conclusions others mentioned. what solidified my belief in the absence of a slave trade were several conversations with RAs. nearly all of them talk about how they go back and forth to their home countries, vacation all over the world, wear nice, expensive things etc. several have talked about having family they visit frequently all over the country. even with asian women being so uniquely talented at putting on a good show/poker face, i have never felt like i was being sold some positive human rights story to assuage my bleeding-heart fears that i was engaging in/sponsoring the vaginal slave trade.
while i'm sure that not all of them enjoy fucking most of us and would have gone into a different line of business if possible, i think that, like most people in 3rd world countries, they are willing to do what's necessary to support their families. this willingness to put the interests of others before their own dreams, of being a movie star, or housewife, or whatever, is an admirable quality found in people who spend their time with real problems, rather than sipping lattes and suffering from anglosaxon guilt.
in sum, you obviously have the desire to hobby. try it out; if you get a bad vibe, stop. if you decide to continue your journey into the willow world, treat them with respect and enjoy yourself.
good luck

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18. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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LAST EDITED ON 30-Jun-09 AT 12:01 PM (PST)
 
I don't have a problem with girls wanting to get paid to get laid.

I do have a problem with the coercive and manipulative shill pimp org owners that are simply blood-sucking leeches taking a $50-60 (if not more) cut from these girls' sessions.

When the price drives down to $100, there will be no room left for these shill pimps to thrive, so my money goes all to the girls and i won't have any issues with this hobby.

It's cheaper this way and the variety is great without all the emotional issues and mindnumbing games played by women in general.

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21. "Disagree with PN69"
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   LAST EDITED ON 30-Jun-09 AT 03:58 PM (PST)
 
I do have a problem with the coercive and manipulative shill pimp org owners that are simply blood-sucking leeches taking a $50-60 (if not more) cut from these girls' sessions.



PN69--- in our society many times reimbursement is proportional to the risk.

The Pimps and Org owners risk felonies, while the women risk only warnings, infractions, misdemeanors, and perhaps deportation. Also, most RAs cannot handle the business part of HOing and don't communicate well and don't use computers.

While it would be nice for the RA to get the full donation, who is going to help those RAs and accept the risks with nothing in return ?

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14. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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I applaud your efforts to address this topic. However, the US is a walk in the park compared to Africa ,Russia, Indonesia,Eastern Europe, Middle East, China, North Korea, South America, South East Asia, Mexico etc etc etc etc.
Just a thing to think about when you are wringing your hands over this...

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20. "Debunking Trafficking"
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Here's a piece debunking the trafficking "scare," from a Left-Wing site in the UK.

Concluding line: "It is high time we ended the perverse war on ‘trafficking’ and started standing up for personal choice and for the right of people to move freely around the world."


http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/6606/

Monday 27 April 2009
More evidence that trafficking is a myth
A major Irish investigation has failed to find proof of people-smuggling, puncturing the ‘new slavery’ scare.
Nathalie Rothschild


At the beginning of April, just days before the European Convention on Action against Human Trafficking came into force in Britain, academics, sex workers and activists from around the world took part in a five-day ‘Sex Workers’ Open University’ in east London.
On the first day of film screenings, workshops and discussions on issues related to the sex industry, trafficking was a recurring theme. Participants were keen to debunk the myths of global ‘people smuggling’ and forced prostitution. The head of the Danish Sex Workers’ Interests Organisation claimed that ‘very few who work in the sex industry have been trafficked’. Nick Mai, a senior research fellow in Migrations and Immigrations at London Metropolitan University, asserted that, although anti-trafficking legislation is rolled out in the name of protecting migrants and women, it ultimately amounts to ‘anti-migration legislation’. A representative from the British Collective of Prostitutes said anti-trafficking campaigners ‘use inflated figures and exploit public concern’ to push through legislation.

Indeed, even as EU member states join forces to combat human trafficking, evidence for its existence is disintegrating. A major police investigation into prostitution in Ireland has failed to find any evidence of organised trafficking there. ‘Despite recent claims about large-scale organised trafficking of women and even children to this country’, the Irish Sunday Independent reported last week, ‘the detectives found only two cases where it may have occurred, but they also had doubts after the women involved changed their stories’ (1). Irish police concluded that most of the young foreign women working within the sex industry in Ireland are doing so voluntarily. Perhaps they are motivated by the high pay – prostitutes in Ireland apparently earn between €500 and €600 per day, on average.

Embarrasingly, these police findings seem to contest research published just days earlier by Irish anti-trafficking campaigners. They claimed to have identified 102 women and girls as having been trafficked into Ireland for the sex industry over a 21-month period. Many of these women had indeed experienced unacceptable abuse and violence as part of their sometimes dangerous work. But the Irish campaigners used dubious methods to reach the conclusion that the foreign women and girls were ‘trafficking victims’ and were ‘just the tip of the iceberg’. They used a broad UN definition of trafficking, which completely discounts any notion of consent as ‘irrelevant’ since ‘the vast majority of people trafficked for prostitution see little or no viable alternative at the time’ (2).

It is not only in Ireland where claims around organised trafficking and modern-day slavery have turned out to be myths. In the run-up to the 2006 World Cup in Germany, left- and right-wing politicians, Christians and feminists formed an unholy cross-border alliance in an attempt to stop 40,000 ‘sex slaves’ from being forced in to Germany to satiate the lust-filled male football fans. As it turned out, German police uncovered just five cases of ‘human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation’ during the World Cup - and one of the victims was a German (3).

At the Sex Workers’ Open University, Nick Mai pointed out that coercion and exploitation does exist within the sex industry: some women are indeed forced into it against their will, or certainly have very restricted choices. Yet the emotive term ‘trafficking’ has become a powerful tool for prostitution abolitionists to win wider public support for their efforts to clamp down on the sex industry as a whole, and to criminalise migrant workers. Anti-trafficking has replaced HIV/AIDS as the abolitionists’ trump card.
Mai pointed out that some migrants choose to work in the sex industry in order to avoid exploitation in other industries, where there is frequently low pay and long working hours. Yet migrants tend to become subjects of concern for campaigners only when they enter the sex industry, despite the fact that they can earn significantly more through that line of work than they would as domestic workers or seasonal agricultural workers for instance.
Anti-traffickers appear to believe that sex work in itself is a form of enslavement, and thus presume that foreigners who work in the sex industry in Britain and elsewhere in Europe are doing so against their will. It is telling that one anti-trafficking activist, writing in the Guardian, confused a statistic on the number of foreign nationals working in the British sex industry with the number of trafficking victims. She wrote: ‘Ten to 15 years ago, only 15 per cent of the women in the UK sex trade were trafficked.’ Later, a correction to the article said: ‘We meant 15 per cent were foreign nationals.’ (4)

The same article cited another, already disproved figure: that 80 per cent of women in prostitution in Britain are foreign nationals, most of whom have been trafficked. This estimate was provided by the Poppy Project, set up by the UK Home Office in 2003 to combat trafficking and sexual abuse of women arriving in to the UK. The figure is based on a 2002 survey by the Metropolitan Police’s Clubs and Vice Unit, which claimed to have discovered that in venues used for prostitution in central London, 70 to 80 per cent of the women were foreign (5). Similar figures later appeared in a Home Office consultation paper on prostitution.

Both of these studies acknowledged the difficulty of establishing exactly how many women are trafficked into prostitution. And yet, the Poppy Project deduced from its study of women working in the off-street sex industry in one part of London that the trends found there would be reproduced in the same way across the rest of Britain (6). This is a dubious presumption, to say the least. The Poppy Project and other anti-trafficking warriors tend to presume that foreign women working in the sex industry are, by definition, ‘victims of trafficking’; they refuse to see migrants or sex workers as people with agency. In their worldview, there is only room for victims and perpetrators, the abused and abusers.

Of course, women often enter the sex industry because of a lack of choice; you would be hard-pressed to find young girls who aspire to be prostitutes when they grow up. It would be silly, as many pointed out at the Open University, to romanticise sex work. Yet at the same time, many workers in different industries and sectors, especially poorly paid migrant workers, do not always feel that they have unlimited options available to them. Most people work out of necessity rather than personal choice.

The Irish police investigation suggests, yet again, that theories of mass, organised trafficking are mere speculations. Figures tend to be heavily inflated and are tied to political agendas rather than being grounded in reality. After all, how can a phenomenon for which there is no agreed definition, and which is routinely described as a ‘covert activity’ that happens in ‘the shadow economy’, be quantified in any real way? How do you define ‘consent’ and ‘choice’ in situations where people set out on journey across the world, unsure about exactly what they will find at the end of it? Why should we expect migrants to avoid hiring so-called ‘people smugglers’ to take them across borders or to provide them with false documentation when they are denied legal ways of travelling?

Across the globe, serious clamp-downs on liberty are occurring in the name of ‘combating trafficking’. This became painfully clear at the Open University, where activists from around the world spoke of the challenges posed by anti-trafficking legislation. One woman told of how migrant sex workers in Costa Rica are routinely rounded up and arrested in the name of rooting out trafficking. In Cambodia, anti-trafficking legislation, introduced under pressure from the US Department of State, has led to raids on brothels, with thousands being ‘forcibly rescued’ by NGOs. Women at the Empower Foundation, a collective of sex workers in Chiang Mai, Thailand, have reported similar ‘rescue missions’ by police and charity workers, ending with them being locked up, interrogated and deported without any compensation for them or their dependants (7).

Anti-traffickers tend to claim that it is only a small minority of privileged, Western sex workers who are against the criminalisation of sex work in general. Yet around the world, thousands of sex workers have organised to campaign for their working rights – from Argentina and Mexico to France and the UK; from Thailand and Cambodia to Malaysia and India. As the organisers of the Sex Workers’ Open University said: ‘The issue of trafficking has been used by some to try to criminalise all sex workers. We contest this simplistic association of all sex work with trafficking and abuse and we support the rights of all migrant workers, whether victims of trafficking or not, and condemn the detention and deportation of those workers.’

It is high time we ended the perverse war on ‘trafficking’ and started standing up for personal choice and for the right of people to move freely around the world.

Nathalie Rothschild is commissioning editor of spiked.

1) ‘“No sex slave rings here”, say gardai after probe’, Sunday Independent (Ireland), 19 April 2009

(2) Over 100 women trafficked for sex industry in Ireland, Irish Times, 17 April 2009

(3) See Exposed: the myth of the World Cup ‘sex slaves’, by Bruno Waterfield.

(4) The truth of trafficking, by Rahila Gupta, Guardian, 2 April 2009

(5) Open door, by Siobhain Butterworth, Guardian, 8 December 2008

(6) Open door, by Siobhain Butterworth, Guardian, 8 December 2008

(7) See Prostituting women’s solidarity, by Nathalie Rothschild.

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22. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   I'm more than happy to refute your argument since you know nothing of which you speak (as you admitted yourself).

"I'm hesitant about AMPs not because I don't like Asian girls but because most of the AMPs in my area don't seem like pleasant places to work (all the girls stay in a back room all day; doors locked with mamasan at front so girls can't leave; general concerns about the sex trade)."

None of the above is true in any storefront AMP. The girls can go and leave as they please, many do not show up for work even when expected. There was a time when the girls slept at the parlor or an adjacent building owned/rented by the MP owners. Those times are long gone. The Health Dept will fine them for even having mattresses on the premises and it is not hard to tell when someone is living there.

The doors are locked from the inside for security reasons -- most are in crappy neighborhoods and it is a cash business. Fire codes (yes and they are inspected and enforced) whill not permit you to lock a door from the outside. Most have a simple paddle or one-way handle that allows easy exit, but not entry. It's to keep the scumbags out, NOT keep the girls in.

As many have pointed out -- you watch (and believe) too much CNBC. The SF Comicle has also jumped on the political and "sex sells" bandwagon by running numerous articles deep on sensationalism and short on facts. The Mayor is perhaps the worst at pandering to the political angles here with NO grasp of (or interest in) the reality.

EVERY licensed massage parlor in the City has only girls who are there voluntarily. If anyone disagrees -- prove me wrong. Show me. The only people more upset than the hobbyists when the FBI and ICE raided the Korean MP's back in '05 were the girls. This is their livelihood and they all have their reasons for being here, but none of those reasons include sex-slavery or forced trafficking -- not in the storefronts. The AAMPs, underground, any unlicensed place -- tread at your own risk. Those are unregulated, uninspected, and most likely the ONLY places where you might actually find trafficking or forced work -- and even then, there has never been a single case in the SF Bay Area to date.

Moral of the story -- there are two sides to every story and don't believe everything you read/hear. Consider the source.

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23. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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There are still places where the girls sleep in or adjacent to the parlor. But I haven't ever seen anyone who appeared to be there against her will. (Although see today's review on "Nikki" at Sunflower for someone who might be...)

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24. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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   A lot of Asian cultures look at sex as nothing more than an itch that needs to be scratched. They don't have the sexual hangups that we do here in this country. If you don't believe me, talk to your friends or co-workers who actually grew up in Asia. The men will think it nothing to discuss with you about going to an RA. It is normally, everyday conversation. So I don't think the girls feel that this is a job that is beneath them. I personally believe that a lot of these girls look at what they do, as a great opportunity to make a lot of money, providing a service that guys are willing to pay money for. Plain and simple.

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25. "RE: AMPs and Human Rights"
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Wow you've got my vote for rookie of the year. Great post!

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