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JCC04
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10-Mar-10, 07:33 PM (PST)
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"Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
 
   OK guys, I know it might seem as if I'm too lazy to do my research through the archives like you tell a lot of newbies to do, but just to sum things up. I first visited an AMP back in 2003 and well I suppose Rainbow Spa was the real happening place of all AMPs at the time and I remember paying $40 for the house and the rest was $100. Well that was my only such visit until late 2008 I thought I'd try the hobby again and in doing my research on reviews, I saw that prices drastically went up to basically the house fee and now service ranging from $140-$160 in these days. So can any of you guys tell me in that time between 2003 till about now, just exactly when and maybe also how did such prices end up going up as high as they have.

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1. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   Im just LOVING all these handles(especially the ones thats been "stored" for awhile)that are just popping out of nowhere and asking F'd questions.

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11-Mar-10, 02:18 PM (PST)
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9. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   >Im just LOVING all these handles(especially the ones thats
>been "stored" for awhile)that are just popping out of
>nowhere and asking F'd questions.
I think more entertaining then all these "handles" popping up is the utterly sad fact that most AMP/AAMP fans seem to be paranoid little kids who can't think outside of "PROTEKT THE WHORES1111!!!!"

It's sad, really. Do you get any kickback for trying to police RB? I would hope so.

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10-Mar-10, 09:21 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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Back then I can get a full tank of gas for my Honda at $10.

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10-Mar-10, 11:35 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-Mar-10 AT 11:41 PM (PST)
 
30 years ago (before AIDS), I could get (at this place in Berkeley) for $100, come as many times as you can in 1 hour BBBJTCIMWS and BBFSTCIV (I was able to do 3 pops. I heard the record was 5 in one hour). I was, of course, a lot younger and could handle it. Now, more than 1 pop within an hour is an iffy proposition. So MSOG not a big deal to me now (I want to do it but my body doesn't always cooperate).

Now its $200 for 1 hour, most do 1 pop only (many LA providers offer MSOG and other extras but rate is $250-$300), BBBJ or CBJ, only a few do CIM and almost always CFS. That's for AAMPs. For escorts, it can get a lot more expensive. Same service. You might find some that do greek.

30 years ago for MP, pay house fee and then negotiate for extras. ~$20 for HJ (extra if she takes off clothes and allow some touching), $40-$60 for CBJ and something like $80-$100 for CFS. If may be a little more now and I hear you do some weird hand signal non-verbal communication to get what you want (Don't know why you can't just say what you want and ask how much. Using hand signals is still soliciting). Then if your donation is weak (ie. not enough), she gives you a "is that all" look (or becomes more verbal).

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11-Mar-10, 01:54 AM (PST)
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4. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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Sorry no time gap abilities. Try Redball he was working on something like that...

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11-Mar-10, 08:29 AM (PST)
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5. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   We'll need 1.21 Gigawatts.

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6. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   You our saying you paid a total of $140 for full service in 2003.

Currently the price for full service is between $160 to $200.

You our confused I believe, and thinking the price of admission

does not include full service. At AAMP's the rate quoted is all

inclusive. If you go too a AMP then you will pay $45/1/2 hour up

to $60/$70 for full hr. to the establishment and then have too tip

between $40 and $120 for service depending on the girl and what

you want. $40-$60/H.E. by Hand - $80. for B.J. - $100 or more

for F.S. You can still get full service today at many AAMP.s for $140

to $160. for a 1/2 hour. The $160/hr. RA's will sometimes do 1/2 hr.

for $120.

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11-Mar-10, 10:25 AM (PST)
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7. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-Mar-10 AT 10:27 AM (PST)
 
CPI

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/

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8. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-Mar-10 AT 12:11 PM (PST)
 
JCC04, you may have gotten a bargain back in 2003 or you may be misremembering. The standard house fee at Rainbow and most SF AMPs was $50. Some RAs accepted a $100 tip, but a lot of them were pushing for $120 or $140--especially those at Golden Flower.

The big event in your time gap was the 2005 law enforcement raid on SF AMPs, known on Redbook as Black Thursday. Search on that term in the archives and you will find a ton of information. Several of the most-popular AMPs closed immediately after the raid, including Golden Flower, Dragon, and King's. Lee's managed to stay open for another year or two, but they eventually closed.

Some of the smaller AMPs have managed to stay open, but it's not the same. The city has forced them to replace beds with massage tables, and they sometimes try to enforce a requirement that the RAs wear non-revealing clothing. The quality and quantity of RAs is down, and most AMPs no longer offer a lineup. Overall, the quality of the experience in SF is way down.

My take on prices is that they are rising in response to the reduction in competition and the increase in risk. Then again, maybe it is just an irrational reaction to the recession: "business is down, so we must raise prices to make up the shortfall." Never mind that higher prices will drive even more customers away.

The other big development during your time gap is the rise of apartment AMPs (AAMPs), which are concentrated in the South Bay. Top-tier AAMP girls tend to offer better service, better looks, and similar or lower prices that SF AMP girls. On the other hand, you have to make an appointment in advance, you don't get a lineup, and it can be a long drive if you live in SF or the East Bay. Nevertheless, I find myself driving down to San Jose frequently and seldom visiting my old haunts like Empire, Palm Tree, and CEO.

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JCC04
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12-Mar-10, 07:31 PM (PST)
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10. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   >JCC04, you may have gotten a bargain back in 2003 or you may
>be misremembering. The standard house fee at Rainbow and
>most SF AMPs was $50. Some RAs accepted a $100 tip, but a
>lot of them were pushing for $120 or $140--especially those
>at Golden Flower.
>

well the $40 if I'm not mistaken was for 40 minutes and I understand when house fees are talked about in general, it means for one hour. And I also remember later that same year I had gone to this LMP down in LA one back-to-back days and paid $100 each for f/s and at Rainbow when the RA simply said "we do everything OK?" then she said it was $100 so I figured that was the standard fare at the time.


>The big event in your time gap was the 2005 law enforcement
>raid on SF AMPs, known on Redbook as Black Thursday. Search
>on that term in the archives and you will find a ton of
>information. Several of the most-popular AMPs closed
>immediately after the raid, including Golden Flower, Dragon,
>and King's. Lee's managed to stay open for another year or
>two, but they eventually closed.
>

Yes I have read about that event and I find it rather redundant to see just how many times I flip through the cable channels and when I get to MSNBC, they are running that episode on human traficking and prostitution in which as we all know the third part of it takes place right in the city and more specifically CEO. I'm just curious as to how many of us guys have actually seen it now. But since Rainbow was supposedly the MP of MPs, how long from that Thursday until that place went under?


>Some of the smaller AMPs have managed to stay open, but it's
>not the same. The city has forced them to replace beds with
>massage tables, and they sometimes try to enforce a
>requirement that the RAs wear non-revealing clothing. The
>quality and quantity of RAs is down, and most AMPs no longer
>offer a lineup. Overall, the quality of the experience in SF
>is way down.
>
>My take on prices is that they are rising in response to the
>reduction in competition and the increase in risk. Then
>again, maybe it is just an irrational reaction to the
>recession: "business is down, so we must raise prices to
>make up the shortfall." Never mind that higher prices will
>drive even more customers away.
>

I must say it seems dumb to just raise prices in a time like this especially if a place expects to really make business. Somehow I tend to wonder whether maybe it would take something on our part to try and bring them down.

>The other big development during your time gap is the rise
>of apartment AMPs (AAMPs), which are concentrated in the
>South Bay. Top-tier AAMP girls tend to offer better service,
>better looks, and similar or lower prices that SF AMP girls.
>On the other hand, you have to make an appointment in
>advance, you don't get a lineup, and it can be a long drive
>if you live in SF or the East Bay. Nevertheless, I find
>myself driving down to San Jose frequently and seldom
>visiting my old haunts like Empire, Palm Tree, and CEO.

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12-Mar-10, 08:04 PM (PST)
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11. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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>OK guys, I know it might seem as if I'm too lazy to do my
>research through the archives like you tell a lot of newbies
>to do, but just to sum things up. I first visited an AMP
>back in 2003 and well I suppose Rainbow Spa was the real
>happening place of all AMPs at the time and I remember
>paying $40 for the house and the rest was $100. Well that
>was my only such visit until late 2008 I thought I'd try the
>hobby again and in doing my research on reviews, I saw that
>prices drastically went up to basically the house fee and
>now service ranging from $140-$160 in these days. So can any
>of you guys tell me in that time between 2003 till about
>now, just exactly when and maybe also how did such prices
>end up going up as high as they have.

Do you make the same money now that you did in 2003?

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12-Mar-10, 09:16 PM (PST)
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12. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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You're trying to judge the entire market relative to a single session from 2003? Here's a better idea -- go to the review section and read a few hundred reviews from 2003. That should give you a better idea about the fair market value at Rainbow and other AMPs back then.

Personally, I'm still paying the same total donation I paid seven years ago. And like a lot of RBers, I'm doing that a lot less than before.

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JCC04
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12-Mar-10, 09:37 PM (PST)
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14. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   Well even before that one meeting, I did my research and i checked reviews and as I wrote in an earlier response, I had two sessions at a place down in LA in which I paid $100 both times though I do remember reading like around 2004/early 2005 it went up to $120.

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12-Mar-10, 09:23 PM (PST)
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13. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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LAST EDITED ON 12-Mar-10 AT 09:23 PM (PST)
 
Actually this is exactly the kinda thread that makes me shake my head. Recently there have been a lot of threads where PLs are arguing that with the economy prices should go down. Or cheapskates are bitching cause girls are still charging 200$! Prices have remained the same in the Bayarea for ten years...

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15. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   I remember 10 years ago, it was $1.00 lap dances and $5.00 for longer ones with touching at Mitchell Brothers. Used to be able nut off for $20.00

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16. "RE: Can you guys fill in this time-gap for me?"
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   Those WERE the days! Then I'd head off to California Girls in Berkeley - jeez there was some eye candy there!

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