DA cuts a deal with those Korean girls, saying that if they back up his story in the court then they can stay in the USA as part of the witness program; Otherwise ..... .

This kind of thing happen, even in the USA.

Can't happen in this scenario. The DA is a state prosecutor and as such he has zero power or authority to grant any Federal immunity.

DB

Drift Away

Looks like you did not read the whole story or missed the part that says that is common procedure in this cases for the women be put in special houses AND visas may be available for them . States also that the feds are involved(mention human trafficking and the DOJ via ICE are involved from the get go).
Always visas are offered to foreign prostitutes if they cooperate with federal authorities in bringing up charges against their handlers. The asian hoes can make up lies and end up with a nice American visa then if they work it very good a green card and eventually a citizenship, cool.
The story make it sound like these women did not know what they were getting into, most likely they knew because of the easy money to be made by just spreading their legs for money, is curious that they did not mention how much in tips they were getting, we know as mongers that it was at least twice the amount that the mamasan was taking.
Now guys do you think that your ATF is being coerced into prostitution and being part of a human trafficking ring? or she is doing it because she likes you and loves the easy money, and whatever comes with it.

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> Looks like you did not read the whole story or missed the
>part that says that is common procedure in this cases for
>the women be put in special houses AND visas may be
>available for them .

Look at my post.

I was responding to the scenario set forth by an earlier poster, not the news article.
I stand by the accuracy of my statement.

DB, Esq. DDA for 8 years.

It's nice to know a former Deputy District Attorney sees little problems of legality with respect to this hobby, as i am assuming you're a participant and not just a lurker "judging" by the looks and possible integrity of your handle!

DATYBill, it's very refreshing to see that former DDA's are human beings with natural urges too!

I do agree on the Gov't/law taking issue with these blackmailers, extortionists, and criminal elements who have some or total lack of regard for basic, common humanity.

But, it's a "not". Don't look now; there's powder burns on your foot.

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Rompe Palle

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Rompe Palle

Very witty, without the need for any emoticons!

Way to diss and cap on a brotha!

2 pts.

This was a response to my earlier post.

Can anyone, including the poster, shed a clue as to what it means?

Thanks,
DB

$10,000 bail is ridiculously small. One call to a bail bondsman and she'll be out. Her house will more than cover the collateral.

Comments 2 and 4 seem kind of cynical. View valid if women were not actually coerced, forced or trafficked. If it is true that the women were forced, coerced, trafficked into being a prostitute, hopefully the authorities won't further abuse them by letting the story about what they were forced into leak to their families or deporting them regardless of whether they cooperate with the investigation or not.

Hopefully, all the lovely ladies we see here advertising on RB are participating in this activity of their own free will. They may be working to pay off debts, support a family, pay for school, build a nest egg, save money to open a business, etc. OK/Good if they weren't forced in any way to work in this biz as a means to get the money. Hope they achieve their goals. If any have been forced, hope they get the help to get out and the perps caught and prosecuted.

All of the ladies I have seen these past 3 years seem to be in the biz of their own free will. They come and go as they please and take frequent vacations. Not saying that is proof of them not being forced into the biz. They seem to enjoy or at least tolerate working. No indication they were forced into the biz.

As a responsible John it is obligatory to ask the worker at an AAMP if she is working on her free will or being forced. In my experience, all but two of them acknowledged their freelancing. To my sheer surprise both of them vigorously refused any offer of help. It is a mysterious business line. No one to trust.

Drift Away

For the two that admitted they were coerced/forced (trafficked) maybe their refusal for help to get out was because of fear of reprisal. Afraid whatever threats the traffickers told them would be carried out. Personal injury, family retaliated against, outed to people they care about, acceptance, etc.

"DA cuts a deal with those Korean girls, saying that if they back up his story in the court then they can stay in the USA as part of the witness program"

DA can try to get girls to testify to build stronger case so can prosecute traffickers. They shouldn't alter or make "fit" testimony to "back up his story in the court". Just tell the truth and what happened. Girls should not have to cut a deal with the DA. They should receive help regardless of whether they testify or not. They are the victim and shouldn't be further victimized by the courts. The program helps them get visas to stay in country if they want.

Agree. How can it be "Human trafficking" if the girls are here already, went to a place to apply for a job, and had plenty of chances to flee...the story just doesn't add to more than the usual prostitution bust, blown out of proportion, and the human trafficking crap thrown in as justification.

Here is what "Sex Trafficking" is:

"Sex trafficking is a modern-day form of slavery in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act is under the age of 18 years. Enactment of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 (TVPA) made sex trafficking a serious violation of Federal law. The TVPA also recognizes labor trafficking, which is discussed in a separate fact sheet.

As defined by the TVPA, the term ‘commercial sex act’ means any sex act on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person.

The TVPA recognizes that traffickers use psychological and well as physical coercion and bondage, and it defines coercion to include: threats of serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that failure to perform an act would result in serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; or the abuse or threatened abuse of the legal process."

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/trafficking/about/fact_sex.pdf

Sure, they were not under 24hr guard and could have fled when they were brought to their living quarters after work. But they believed that their life was in danger and/or what they were forced to do would be revealed to family/friends if they didn't comply or ran away. That's the coercion component of sex trafficking.

You'll have to follow the criminal case to find out if the details of the case are true. Girls simply working as prostitutes of their own free will to get lots of money or forced (trafficked) into prostitution through physical coercion and/or threats against them or their families.

Hopefully, what goes on in the nice upscale apartments we frequent is not sex trafficking. Being an RA can be lucrative but they must choose to be in the biz for whatever reason. They can choose to do it simply for the money, pay debts, help family back home, save for school or start a business, etc. But it must be their choice and not forced into the biz through any form of coercion.

The news makes it sound like "Sex Trafficking" is rampant and all/most sex workers are victims. And us mongers believe the opposite. Most likely, it's somewhere in the middle. Even if you do find out someone is a trafficking victim, they may refuse help because they believe if they try to leave, they may be hunted down and kidnapped/killed, retribution taken against their families or their work as a prostitute may be reviewed to their family/friends.

The issue is they can't bust on the grounds of prostitution, because that's harder to prove and requires more work in gathering evidence and putting together a slam dunk case. And the backlash of taxpayer resentment will ensue over wasteful spending of tax dollars to fight a marginal crime, at best.

For a trafficking case, it's usually because there really is trafficking going on, and although not as grisly and gruesomely sinister as the prosecutors make it out to be, our adversarial system requires, mandates if you will, that both prosecution and defense sensationalize their arguments for their case with the hope that proof and/or the truth will come to the surface and prevail.

They eyed (4 months) and busted this Chinese operator for two reasons. There was probably ties to organized criminal elements, and/or there was extortion and blackmail of the helpless girls, and/or there was a criminal racket involving many storefronts which evaded a significant amount of possible tax revenue. Tax evasion.

Remember, this new law came out in 2008, when States (especially NY) were undergoing massive tax revenue base decline due to the downturn in the economy, and so laws like this were created as tool(s) to extract revenues where traditional methods aren't possible or when are not as efficient. The ancillary benefit is to fight "crime".

This kind of stuff that Cui did goes on routinely here in CA. We see it in action right here on this board, in storefronts, aamps, it's just CA is more liberal and lenient when it comes to these "discretionary vices", and CA has one of the highest business tax regulations and enforcement, and by far the wealthiest state in the Union, with a diverse economy, along with a strong entrepreneurial mindset that gives Gov't a plethora of options to derive necessary tax base revenue to run Gov't.

NY is primarily financial services. Or services. Once the stock market deflation was in full effect, Gov't had to turn to different and more creative ways to generate tax base revenues.

That is my take. I also believe Cui was a good target to confront. She was clearly above the law and above basic humanity.

That's why prosecutors struck a plea deal with the driver, Kuen, to turn States evidence against Cui. Most likely in exchange for "his testimony" that Cui was engaged in sex trafficking, he would go down with a lesser sentence. Cui gets the "stiff" end of the prosecution. IT IS ALL ABOUT SELF-INTEREST.

"Cui’s co-defendant, 53-year-old Sangyel Kuen of Flushing, who drove the victims from Queens to Long Island in a Lexus, pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution at his arraignment June 22. He told the court that Cui was engaging in sex trafficking."