That is the OPs objective. It seems obvious to me that the OP interests are not those of your standard issue monger.

Even if LE were to bust in while you are "engaged" with an RA, there isn't much they can charge you with. Having sex is not a crime. Being in a suspicious location is not a crime. LE would need someone willing to testify in court that you had paid for it. Really the only way to get into trouble is to proposition an undercover officer. Which means they would have to setup an AAMP just to bust a couple of Johns, this is not likely, IMO. Owners, POs, and RAs have the most to fear from LE and in that order. Monger risk is very low, especially if you do your research.

I'm not exactly sure that's true, even if we all wish it were true. I've seen quite a few posts indicating that a monger can be cited simply for being on the premises at a house of ill repute, and that getting caught in the act or having someone testify is not necessary. Hopefully someone with firsthand experience in these matters will weigh in on the issue.

Correct, AMPFan. One can be cited (under State law, not Federal) just for being on the premises, however:

1. that citation is not for 647b, a misdemeanor
2. LE is discouraged from citing for such loitering (bigger fish to fry) and
3. if cited, it's likely to be an infraction, not a misdemeanor.

LE will in most cases just harrass the hell out of you before letting you go. In no case should you ever LIE to them if questioned. You'll be busted for lying.....

Busted on what charge?
What section of the Penal Code?

Giving false informstion to a Federal Agent IS a crime.
Lying to a Municipal police officer is not.

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Forget the above. No need to lie. Don't ever make your information even subject to lying. Whether State and/or Federal, you are only required to properly and accurately identify yourself. THAT IS ALL.

Say nothing else after that except "I'd love to cooperate and will, but I want and need my attorney to be present."

The simplest "to do" rule is to do what you are told. Simple, but somehow it often escapes someone who is either scared or intoxicated. More important to guarding your rights and interests are ten things you SHOULD NOT do:

1. Don't try to convince the officer of your innocence. It's useless. He or she only needs "probable cause" to believe you have committed a crime in order to arrest you. He does not decide your guilt and he actually doesn't care if you are innocent or not. It is the job of the judge or jury to free you if he is wrong. If you feel that urge to convince him he's made a mistake, remember the overwhelming probability that instead you will say at least one thing that will hurt your case, perhaps even fatally. It is smarter to save your defense for your lawyer.

2. Don't run. It's highly unlikely a suspect could outrun ten radio cars converging on a block in mere seconds. I saw a case where a passenger being driven home by a drunk friend bolted and ran. Why? It was the driver they wanted, and she needlessly risked injury in a forceful arrest. Even worse, the police might have suspected she ran because she had a gun, perhaps making them too quick to draw their own firearms. Most police will just arrest a runner, but there are some who will be mad they had to work so hard and injure the suspect unnecessarily.

3. Keep quiet. My hardest cases to defend are those where the suspect got very talkative. Incredibly, many will start babbling without the police having asked a single question. My most vivid memory of this problem was the armed robbery suspect who blurted to police: "How could the guy identify me? The robbers were wearing masks." To which the police smiled and responded, "Oh? Were they?" Judges and juries will discount or ignore what a suspect says that helps him, but give great weight to anything that seems to hurt him. In 24 years of criminal practice, I could count on one hand the number of times a suspect was released because of what he told the police after they arrested him.

4. Don't give permission to search anywhere. If they ask, it probably means they don't believe they have the right to search and need your consent. If you are ordered to hand over your keys, state loudly "You do NOT have my permission to search." If bystanders hear you, whatever the police find may be excluded from evidence later. This is also a good reason not to talk, even if it seems all is lost when they find something incriminating.

5. If the police are searching your car or home, don't look at the places you wish they wouldn't search. Don't react to the search at all, and especially not to questions like "Who does this belong to?"

6. Don't resist arrest. Above all, do not push the police or try to swat their hands away. That would be assaulting an officer and any slight injury to them will turn your minor misdemeanor arrest into a felony. A petty shoplifter can wind up going to state prison that way. Resisting arrest (such as pulling away) is merely a misdemeanor and often the police do not even charge that offense. Obviously, striking an officer can result in serious injury to you as well.

7. Try to resist the temptation to mouth off at the police, even if you have been wrongly arrested. Police have a lot of discretion in what charges are brought. They can change a misdemeanor to a felony, add charges, or even take the trouble to talk directly to the prosecutor and urge him to go hard on you. On the other hand, I have seen a client who was friendly to the police and talked sports and such on the way to the station. They gave him a break. Notice he did not talk about his case, however.

8. Do not believe what the police tell you in order to get you to talk. The law permits them to lie to a suspect in order to get him to make admissions. For example, they will separate two friends who have been arrested and tell the first one that the second one squealed on him. The first one then squeals on the second, though in truth the second one never said anything. An even more common example is telling a suspect that if he talks to the police, "it will go easier." Well, that's sort of true. It will be much easier for the police to prove their case. I can't remember too many cases where the prosecutor gave the defendant an easier deal because he waived his right to silence and confessed.

9. If at home, do not invite the police inside, nor should you "step outside." If the police believe you have committed a felony, they usually need an arrest warrant to go into your home to arrest you. If they ask you to "step outside", you will have solved that problem for them. The correct responses are: "I am comfortable talking right here.", "No, you may not come in.", or "Do you have a warrant to enter or to arrest me in my home?" I am not suggesting that you run. In fact, that is the best way to ensure the harshest punishment later on. But you may not find it so convenient to be arrested Friday night when all the courts and law offices are closed. With an attorney, you can perhaps surrender after bail arrangements are made and spend NO time in custody while your case is pending.

10. If you are arrested outside your home, do not accept any offers to let you go inside to get dressed, change, get a jacket, call your wife, or any other reason. The police will of course escort you inside and then search everywhere they please, again without a warrant. Likewise decline offers to secure your car safely.

That's it: Ten simple rules that will leave as many of your rights intact as possible if you are arrested. How about a short test? You have a fight with your live-in girlfriend and the police come and find you on the sidewalk two houses down from the apartment. The girlfriend points you out and the police arrest you for assault. They tell you they don't intend to question you. They just want your name and address. Do you answer? Well, you shouldn't. Your address is the single most damaging admission you could make. If you admit living with her, you have just converted a misdemeanor assault into a felony punishable by state prison. When you are arrested it is their game, and you don't know the rules. It is best to be silent and let the attorney handle it later. The bottom line is that if the police have enough evidence to arrest, they will. If they don't, you could easily provide that missing evidence by talking.

A. Brian Dinday
Attorney at Law

http://www.dinday.com/info01.htm

Now that could do some real damage to relationships, employement etc....

what i meant to say was that to minimize you getting caught in a sting, you're chances are better off at night because at night 9 times out of 10 a bust is not performed.

and my other point was that the worst thing that would happen at night is LE surveillance which is typical just for info gathering blah blah blah.

my post does serve to protect in two ways:
1. stay clear until we start seeing confirmation on from orgs that everything is good (all these vacation notices)
2. if you still decide to proceed despite the warnings, go at night. personally, i'd rather stay clear of a bust and not find out if i can be charged.

why i share this info?
i've been sharing this type of info with the rb bros since 2002 and i'd like for other rb bros to keep me informed as well. i don't give a dam if its a fake/rumor because in this business, you don't want to take chances. and i'll tell you another thing. i've been in the middle of a aamp robbery. and that has made me edgy about any potential bad things that can happen in this biz.

I appreciate watching out for others, but... After a cursory look at the $$ Pen side of the board, I don't see the glut of vacations you're referencing. Regardless of location, there were quite a few around the weekend of the 4th. But they're steadily coming back. A few of the recent vacations were prompted by some shenanigans on this board. I hope the same doesn't happen now, should this info prove to be inaccurate.

met, would you mind elaborating on this? thanks

and the shenanigans you speak about definitely have merit.

to everyone else who pm'd me about legal consequences. seriously, i have no idea.

However, sometimes when it gets so slow out there for business in aampland, either the shills come out of the woodwork and play games here or an org "spin doctor" posts a "Bust thread". IT IS REALLY SLOW THESE DAYS EXCEPT FOR MAYBE 3-4 RBGFE PRETTY GIRLS who are dominating the market. Hence, the ones who are not busy, resort to these tactics/games.

What this achieves is the obvious. Similar to a bomb scare, it puts just about every other org out of operation temporarily. Of course, the org who knows this ploy is just a hoax, keeps answering calls (since us johns end up not getting through to all the other orgs who just let calls go to VM) that come in and take on the temporary uptick in customers. What a grand and devious master plan, huh?

Now, you might be asking, "Pete, doesn't this also shrink the overall client base, uhhh us, the johns since we'd be scared shitless too?"

The answer is yes. But you'd be surprised how many of us are so worried about our ATFs that we call anyways using our bat phones. Then when we get a familiar PO voice, we are there, rain or shine, even more so in purported "rain", because we like the thrill of danger and things taboo. We are adventurers and suckers for our "lust one".

Now, what happens when everyone realizes the public announcement was just a hoax? Well, slowly but surely, everyone goes back to work and off vacation only to find things revert back to normal, only the pool of johns have to wait until their next payday to fund their vice with the RA who was "on vacation" that he missed but had to spend his money on what was available at the time of the bomb or bust scare. (Most likely he spent his money at the place that orchestrated this false alarm bust scare).

Fact is, read everything on this board or any other board with a grain of salt, especially when the board has been infiltrated (and overrun) by a bunch of "players".

Question to metridium: What recent shenanigans on this board prompted a few of the recent "vacations"? Just curious to know what new funny stuff has been going on here for selfish gain.

That's all that was intended. To educate and enlighten. No flaming intended towards the OP.