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POLL: AAMP Forum Members: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?
Posted by PeterNorth69 on 21-Jul-10, 10:48 PM PST
POLL ENDED: Result after a total of 41 votes

Yes, I'm for it, because it will decriminalize the RAs and ME. 26 votes, 63%
Yes, I'm for it, because it will lower prices and impose standardized health checks on RAs. 6 votes, 14%
Yes, I'm for it, because it will allow for market competition, which is good for the consumer and i can complain to the Better Business Bureau. No votes
No, I'm against it, as it will bring too much scrutiny to this vice which i'm ashamed of. No votes
No, I'm against it, as i'm a pimp or shill and that would cut me out of the loop. 1 votes, 2%
No, I'm very Religious and this goes against my hypocritical moral beliefs. 1 votes, 2%
Bonus Choice: I'm for it so we can be open as a society about our sexual promiscuity. In the process, i am against restricting a woman's (and man's) freedom of choice! 2 votes, 4%
Bonus choice: I am totally fed up with marriage and divorce and cumbersome relationships and this is more forthright, as long as no one is hurt and it's a fair trade. 5 votes, 12%

 
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drifter09
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1. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 21-Jul-10 AT 10:58 PM (PST) by (moderator)
 
That's a nice topic to vote for. Thanks PN.

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her_atm her_atm rating
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5. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   drifter
< What does the scenario look like to you when all the AAMP girls are getting all the benifit of a recognized labor regulation but paying zero to our uncle Sam? Not a good picture >

Thats one for the books, but your response should be even better, so...please explain to me all of the BENEFITS OF A RECOGNIZED LABOR REGULATION that aamp girls receive? This will be major news, i'm sure. I worked with major unions for almost 15 years, and I sure do see an awful lot of labor benefits (basically, all!) that do not pertain in any shape, form or fashion to aamps. the floor is yours.

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6. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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hers_atm, i believe drifter was claiming that these girls dont pay taxes to Uncle Sam but want the same protections. In that respect, he is right. they make good money but don't want to pay their taxes like everybody else.

peternorth, i always enjoyed your wonderful posts confronting all the games on here and getting to the 'bottom' of things. this is yet another example of bottom line, how do we feel about this we are participating in without all of the childish games. The shills must hate you but i don't think you care because you are tough enough to deal with them and maintain your brave position.

Thanks for such a neat poll.


"If it's paid, it's not true. It's fantasy."

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9. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   >hers_atm, i believe drifter was claiming that these girls
>dont pay taxes to Uncle Sam but want the same protections.
>In that respect, he is right. they make good money but don't
>want to pay their taxes like everybody else.
>
>peternorth, i always enjoyed your wonderful posts
>confronting all the games on here and getting to the
>'bottom' of things. this is yet another example of bottom
>line, how do we feel about this we are participating in
>without all of the childish games. The shills must hate you
>but i don't think you care because you are tough enough to
>deal with them and maintain your brave position.
>
>Thanks for such a neat poll.
>
>
>"If it's paid, it's not true. It's fantasy."

Perhaps he meant that, his exact quote seemed to state it as fact. And i'm not aware of a single labor movement protection that aamp girls officially enjoy. I am not arguing that they should have any labor benefits, as I believe tax free dollars in return for risky frowned upon by the law & society job is an equal trade. But if he is claiming that they actually do, I am all ears.

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10. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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ok, now i understand. but drifter was talking about legal Tamp girls. they are protected by labor regulations like bartenders working for extra cash tips, no?

"If it's paid, it's not true. It's fantasy."

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17. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   >ok, now i understand. but drifter was talking about legal
>Tamp girls. they are protected by labor regulations like
>bartenders working for extra cash tips, no?
>
>"If it's paid, it's not true. It's fantasy."

Yes, that is true. He said aamp, I just wanted to hear how that works lol!

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2. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   Even though I'm in favor of legalizing this hobby, I feel your poll is a little one-sided and doesn't give the No side a fair shake. In the poll, a person who chooses No can only be ashamed, a shill, or a hypocrite.

I'd rather see polls that are actually polls, and opinions in regular threads.


Argus

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4. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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LAST EDITED ON 21-Jul-10 AT 11:32 PM (PST)
 
Argus,

That's what posts here are for. You are entitled to express your views however you like here.

It's a forum for open and diverse debate, adversarial, to hear dissenting views from various perspectives.

Anyone who is interested in explaining a "NO" answer here, in this forum, do so in a post.

There is no way i could cover all the No choices in limited spaces. Plus, this is a Monger's board. So the prevailing attitude, i assume, is pro-prostitution, or pro-legalization.

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7. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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No, PN, Argus makes an excellent point. Instead of using the "NO" options to express some fairly meaningless or frivolous arguments, you should have examined some actual community concerns. Even a monger could be against legalization for reasons unrelated to morality. The poll would have been more informative and the results less skewed if you had included any of the following:

NO, I'm concerned about AAMP customers hanging out in front of my building until 3 am every night

NO, I'm worried about massage parlors popping up next to my kid's elementary school

NO, there are already too many strong-arm robberies at AAMPs

NO, there are already too many Viet gangsters and too much drug use at storefront AMPs

NO, legalization will not stop street pimps from turning out 13 year old girls in Oakland and the Mission District

When you post a skewed poll like this, it just makes everyone think you have a hidden agenda. My advice is to have the mods delete it and do it right the next time.

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8. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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>No, PN, Argus makes an excellent point. Instead of using
>the "NO" options to express some fairly meaningless or
>frivolous arguments, you should have examined some actual
>community concerns. Even a monger could be against
>legalization for reasons unrelated to morality. The poll
>would have been more informative and the results less skewed
>if you had included any of the following:
>
>NO, I'm concerned about AAMP customers hanging out in front
>of my building until 3 am every night
>
>NO, I'm worried about massage parlors popping up next to my
>kid's elementary school
>
>NO, there are already too many strong-arm robberies at AAMPs
>
>NO, there are already too many Viet gangsters and too much
>drug use at storefront AMPs
>
>NO, legalization will not stop street pimps from turning out
>13 year old girls in Oakland and the Mission District
>
>When you post a skewed poll like this, it just makes
>everyone think you have a hidden agenda. My advice is to
>have the mods delete it and do it right the next time.

Why don't we have the mods include that? I don't think peternorth was trying to appeal to the no answers, after all, this is basically a 'for' or 'against' legalization poll really.

after all, aren't we a hypocrite if we engage in this and vote 'no'?

everyone knows they don't want this near children, and but to not want it because it might pop up near my child's elementary school is ridiculous, because legalization would mean gov't regulating this industry and issuing licenses.

so this poll is correct in really masking it in a way that it's really 'yes' or 'no'.

It's ridiculous how morally high-horse and egonuts some of you are in here. Yet many of you are cheating on your wifes and such.


"If it's paid, it's not true. It's fantasy."

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16. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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Aampmaster, I'd have to say you completely misunderstood posts 2 and 7. Neither Argusmatai nor I said whether we were for or against legalizing prostitution. Argus pointed out that the original survey was skewed, and I offered a few examples of options that would have made the poll results more useful. Since you don't seem to be getting the point, let me give you an extreme example of a fairly useless poll:

I WOULD MOST ENJOY:

A. Sending one dollar to AMPFan

B. Having my eyeballs plucked out by crazed seagulls

Most respondents would choose A, but you won't see me planning my retirement around the proceeds.

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21. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   Considering there's only about 10 guys on this forum (with lots of alternate handles), I don't think $10 will go too far.

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3. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   This poll might be interesting if not located on a so-called mongers forum since it begins with rather than is refined by stratified sampling.



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11. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   Damn - I voted too fast. Meant to vot e for Bonus Choices 1 &2...

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13. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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While I'm for legalization, I think which options we have for choices in the poll depend on what sort of legalization you are looking at.

If you are legalizing like Nevada legalized, prices certainly WON'T go down. I doubt they would drop in a situation where it was just lightly regulated, because on top of existing prices you are going to have the price of doing business with the gov't (getting the Department of Health to sign off on your health screening, paying taxes, etc).

And while I think legalization would do wonders for solving sex trafficking issues since women theoretically would be more willing to contact law enforcement if prostitution were legalized, you are still going to have a sector of the hobby that's run underground for those providers and hobbyists that aren't interested in playing by the state's rules. One prime example -- AMPs/AAMPs and their employees who are in this country on a questionable status aren't magically going to get the stamp of approval from the state.

I think a good start would be for city of San Francisco to pass the ballot initiative they ran recently to decriminalize prostitution, which should accomplish most of the good public policy goals and still give the most freedom for those who don't want to jump through government hoops to make a living.

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14. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   I favor legalization but am against regulation of the "biz". Sure, collect taxes if you can. It's a cash business. Difficult to determine how much they actually are making. Other than some common sense guidelines, I am against forcing prostitutes to be only in certain areas or in "houses" (like a brothel). That's just asking for trouble. Like pimping.

I like the setup with AAMPs. Do business in a nice apt or upscale hotel. Dumpy hotel/motels like Motel 6 and such need not apply.

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15. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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How about "Yes, I want to see the RAs go mainstream and get rated on Yelp?"

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18. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 22-Jul-10 AT 10:30 AM (PST)
 
>I favor legalization but am against regulation of the "biz".
>Sure, collect taxes if you can. It's a cash business.
>Difficult to determine how much they actually are making.
>Other than some common sense guidelines, I am against
>forcing prostitutes to be only in certain areas or in
>"houses" (like a brothel). That's just asking for trouble.
>Like pimping.
>
>I like the setup with AAMPs. Do business in a nice apt or
>upscale hotel. Dumpy hotel/motels like Motel 6 and such need
>not apply.

Brothels would encourage more pimping? That is very interesting....sort of like all of the organized crime alcohol bootlegers that have been terrorizing the nation ever since they ended prohibition & you can now buy alcohol in every store? Legalization puts outlaws out of business. Prohibition makes outlaws flourish & get rich. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Now your idea of legalizing it, not regulating it at all, and hoping to recover what little taxes you can get people to be honest about reporting......that's gonna really help everybody on all levels!

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19. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   It would be great if it was legalized and regulated, nevertheless cumbersome to enforce, should start with single cities or statewide, are all the people involved in the business willing to accept it and play by the rules? Do the size of the regulated sex industry is going to be greater than the black market?
What is the potential tax windfall for cities and state coffers? Do this money offsets the costs of implementing, enforcing the related laws? It would be interesting to know if sex work was legalized in Oakland at the same time as pot, and see which one fared better.
Or let's ask the Nothern Europeans for advice.

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20. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   We have Nevada to look at for prostitution, though they do a spotty job of it, so it's not the ideal system.

But if you take a look at place like Amsterdam, where both are legalized, what you actually find are places with ridiculously low crime rates. A good deal of that is the simple logic that if a high percentage of crime is lame arrests to do with victimless crimes like weed & prostitution, and now you subtract all those arrest by process of eliminating those laws, your crime rate is lower. But it is also proof that allowing people these forbidden activities does not turn them into wildly out of control people, because no other crimes go up, they all stay low or nonexistent. Granted, Americans are different than other people, particularly when it comes to criminalism, but I cant see how more weed in the general public can lead to any more crimes. It liable to make a lot of potential criminals too lazy and unmotivated to perpetrate what they might otherwise!

What kind of profits would the cities & states be looking at? I don't know, I don't think anybody does but I think we all know that it would be off the charts. I would have to think that if either of the two, weed or prostitution, on it's own was made available with ease in every city, at every hour, as long as you were a legal adult with id....the income from taxes on just one of the two would change the entire financial landscape that the country is facing now. And you know what? The startup & upkeep of either business for the government would be less out of pocket dollars than law enforcement to contain them is currently costing them. It's mind boggling that a society in 2010 would not automatically be doing this!

There are no rational arguements against it. "The bible says..." ok, take your nursey stories away, I want valid reasons based in reality. Dont try to tell me what the easter bunny feels about it next.

"Prostitution brings so much ugly crime to neighborhoods" Because you outlaw it, and bring pimps & other unsavory aspects of humanity into the equation. Your laws are what ravage neighborhoods. If prostituion happened safely under the roof and behind the doors of a place that you santioned, only an idiot would go out in the Tenderloin looking for a hooker to save a few dollars & not have to get a current id in his wallet. If you santion legal prostitution correctly, illegal prostitution disappears 100%. If you do it halfass like Nevada, it's still a worlds better situation for everybody, but illegal still exists, it's just the craigslist level down.

"Marijuana is so bad for you" Do people even try this arguement anymore? I'm not sure, if they do, they look mighty foolish. Look into it, do your research. Pot is not proven to do any harm to you, except for take chunks out of your motivation to excel, and if you have a good drive to begin with you can work around that. Health issues with pot are more positive than negative, and it is 1000% better for your body than alcohol, cigaretts or even caffeine for that matter.

There ya go, I rapidly ran out of any reasons to even argue the other side. It's win/win. To not legalize is stoooopid. Put a lock on this thread, because that's the bottom line.

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22. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   I am not sure everybody here understands the concept of legalization fully (and certainly not when it comes to legalization as opposed to decriminalization). Believe me: What you want is decriminalization and *not* legalization! The latter makes things worse for everybody.

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25. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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I think you make an excellent point, Von.

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26. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   I would not like Nevada style brothels like the Bunny Ranch. Over priced trailer trash with upsell. AAMPs are infinitely better. If prostitution were legalized, they would probably try to control it with licensing and zoning. Maybe ban it in apts and family neighborhoods because of the children. Will they have to follow normal business rules, labor laws?

I actually like things the way they are except for the LE enforcement and occasional busts. Decriminalize?

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23. "RE: Legalization of Prostitution. Who's for it and why?"
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   Is this poll from a current owner and past owners perspective?

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