The problem is, some guys go out of their way to drum up business by starting redundant threads and write half-truths, masked in optimism and positive spin, to deliberately mislead others. Others go as far as attacking and online stalking anyone who has a dissenting opinion, when he is merely expressing his varying opinion and certain matters of fact, and/or fact-finding by firsthand accounts.

I'm all for discussing girls, but the blatant and subtle games and dominance of shills and multiple handles has scared some real mongers from even posting a dissenting viewpoint. Certain threads clearly are manufactured to steer business, discounting one side of the viewpoint coin, instead of allowing for the revealing of both positive and negative traits. That's what makes it so obvious.

Allow for dissenting viewpoints, to be fair.

Not only do members who post have a responsibility in being as objective as possible in their subjective assessment, but I submit the idea that the reader should always keep in mind that every experience is YMMV.

Case in point, alluding to hortkid's experience w/ Nicole, yes she was older, but there are those who get ridiculously excited when she comes into town because of 1) Her brief stays 2) The service she brings that tends to differ from the hit & miss TOFTT experiences.

PN69 mentioned a free market, which I would back and defend in a heartbeat - but it's also important to note that in a free market, endorsements play just as important of a role (regardless of the opinion of "selling out") as the advertisements themselves.

I think what detracts from the endorsements are, as was stated above:

1) Multiple new posts
2) The suspicion that arises when a new post is created by a user who has:
2a) Just been created that day
2b) Ridiculously low post-counts relative to creation

So, when it became suspicious to me, i asked how he knew so much. All i got back was a defensive and confrontational posture. Again, not saying i don't like the guy, it's just i asked a simple question. Didn't get an answer. Made me even more suspicious. Here, this as well, also made me question why the same girls from the same org he knows so many personal details about. Read post #20 and #24.

http://forum.myredbook.com/cgi-bin/dcforum2/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=43204&forum=DCForumID19#20

Post #20:

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20. "RE: New(?) BARTable babe"
In response to message #16

Another mini....

Just returned from a visit with Amber. I would generally concur with heychurro11's assessment. She is young and bit green. She is somewhat distant and not responsive at first, but does warm up. I wouldn't expect DFK walking in the door. She is quite attractive but not DDG and her body is very nice, early 20's. Comparing her to Mya is somewhat apples and oranges. Mya is a seasoned pro, Amber is obviously less "seasoned". The experience is very different but the list of services was similar. For example, Amber answered her phone during session (wrong number) and when I came out of my solo ending shower, she was playing some game on her computer. As I said, a bit green, but I didn't mind.

Bottom line, will I be back, yes, I think so.

Post#24:

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24. "RE: New(?) BARTable babe"
In response to message #21

When I saw Amber on Monday, she was a bit tender "down there".

The reason I called you out was due to your seeming detail knowledge of the internal workings of the business side of this hobby. Which made me question your motivations. The only thing I may know about is a girl here or there that I like and get to know.

I reckoned that reading all your posts about the Peninsula gals. There is one org i found you especially close to. But again, that could be just from your mongering relationship.

>The reason I called you out was due to your seeming detail
>knowledge of the internal workings of the business side of
>this hobby. Which made me question your motivations. The
>only thing I may know about is a girl here or there that I
>like and get to know.

And this is why i asked you a simple question. I found a while before the "Jessica went to L.A." statement that you knew a little more than the average mongering bear. In all my years of hobbying, unless i knew the RA personally or dated her, i never knew details on other customers, because in all the client-to-RA relationships, they either led me to believe they didn't speak English, or really couldn't speak any English to convey such details such as a DT, or deep-throat. And details such as "devil" tattoos and "big scary guy". And her telling you or me or any client she returned his money and asking him to leave. Unless, you are close to that RA. But she was new and your first time sampling, so that made me very suspicious of your relationship, nothing more. This is the post #25 of that thread that made me pause, and when you paused and bacame defensive, it all but concluded my suspicions. Most normal reactions if one were innocent are forthright, not defensive. At least that's what psychoanalysts and behavioral research studies have shown. I am posting this so we have all the facts, and so folks can see why i asked you a simple question, questioning the same thing you called me out on.

http://forum.myredbook.com/cgi-bin/dcforum2/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=43204&forum=DCForumID19#25

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25. "RE: New(?) BARTable babe"
In response to message #22

Just visited with Heidi. The session started very scripted, mechanical and distant. Turned out her previous customer had forced DT on her multiple times. Some big scary guy with the word devil tattooed on his back. She returned the donation and asked him to leave. She was pretty shaken up. Made me realize some of the shit these girls have to put up with.

Could it be that you are just a very picky monger? nothing wrong with that. Both Sara and Nicole have very good reviews and are well liked by many mongers. I saw both of them and enjoyed them quite a bit.

I fell for that too but with an escort, where the reviews did not match what I saw, at all.

If PN69 had said that he thinks/feels she's OLDER, as opposed to stating it as a "fact", then I would not be questioning his statement of "fact". If I state something as a fact, I can prove it. Otherwise, I state it as something that I think, or feel, or speculate. I am assuming that we all know the definition of the word fact. To me, there is a big difference between “I think she is OLDER” and “It’s a fact that she is OLDER”. One is an opinion, WHICH IS FINE, and one is a statement of fact, for which there is proof. One should not state their opinion as fact; it just dilutes the creditability in what you do state as fact. If people can’t distinguish between your statement of fact and your statement of opinion or feeling, then they may not completely believe what was in fact a fact.

A lot of what is posted on this board is opinion, “I think she is hot”, “I think she is attractive”, “(In my opinion) she tasted good”, etc. Some of what is posted here is fact, “she did BBBJ, “she showered with me”, “she wore a red dress”. Let’s keep them separate.

Also, “OLDER” is relative. OLDER than what? OLDER than Hime, maybe. OLDER than her stated age, maybe(show me a RA that doesn’t). OLDER than the average RA, maybe. Older than the oldest RA, probably not. OLDER than me, no(I’m pretty old)

The only people that I know that can accurately “guess” someone’s age (and weight) are those sideshow guys at the carnival that will guess your age or weight (within a range) in exchange for a donation and a chance to win a cheap little booby prize.

What do you expect i/we do, card these hookers? Ask or demand that they provide their visas and passports? Oh Puhlease, give us a break.
My point is that there was a huge media/endorsement/shill blitz on here early on when she debutted that left out that she MAY APPEAR OLDER.

The pics didn't reveal that, did they?

Neither did the shilling by the online promoters.

But you missed the point. She clearly looked older and some guys got burned because they were mislead with no mention of that tidbit...right?

No big deal i guess, because it's about getting ill-informed guys to the doorstep for the $200 by any means necessary. That means?

LIE. Or leave out the negatives.

Peter, you were needlessly jumped upon because you posted "She is ------". BFD.

From now on use phrases such as "she looks about------" or "I estimate she is -----" or "she told me she is -----" or "Guess she's ------- " or "she appeared to be ----- "

In the alternative: "I saw her Green Crad and it discloses ....." or "She showed me her notarized birth certificate, it appeared authentic, and if it is a true and accurate copy, she is _______ years old." Or ------ whatever.

Problem solved !

• What connotation of burned should we be using?
• Who got burned? I don't recall anyone claiming this happened to them vis-a-vis Nicole.

> because they were mislead into not considering that tidbit...right?

Wrong. I might consider the notion of having been mislead if a plethora of opinions explicitly stated that she was in fact, YOUNG or YOUNGER. There's an infinitude of attributes that aren't revealed and that I don't know about, but simply don't belie and underpin conspiracies and deception.

>No big deal i guess,
>because it's about getting ill-informed guys to the
>doorstep.

Frankly, "ill-informed guys" is a euphemism for ignorance. Their appearance is witnessed on the forum all the time and the best advice they're given is to simply:

• spend some time learning to use the search feature
• spend some time actually reading the posts (with comprehension)
• spend some money on the VIP membership and read the opinions contain therein

It's their responsibility to learn the game before they play, and to accept an indisputable fact of "life" that two people can not at the same time, occupy the same space nor have the same experience as another, despite hypothetically infinitesimal temporal and spatial proximity to that space.

In other words, a face or belly wrinkle here, or a nevus there, does not and should not swamp the totality of an experience. In the preponderance of cases, the aforementioned minutia doesn't appear on the maritime and airspace navigational hazard maps, and reports aren't forthcoming because simply, they change nothing. At least no more than expected air turbulence and occasional jarring on a jetliner doesn't compel one to not travel or change carriers, or minor surface waves rolling by doesn't induce seasickness and vertigo in most seafarers.

All this whining sounds as if the iceberg's final victims are vice-gripped onto the Titanic's upper deck rails and screaming, "The napkins were supposed to be embossed!".

If your gratification ultimately rests on the clinical dissection and demarcation of the RAs physical features, y'all are in the wrong hobby and frankly, in the wrong skin. It might be time to make peace with your creator and strive for some assurance that in the next life, your membership will reign over another species.

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