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"Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
 
Which era do you guys prefer? Present era dominated by AAMPs or pre black thursday era dominated by store front AMPs?

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1. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   i never experienced pre-black thursday. but i love the aamps. however, there are some days i wish i could just walk in and choose from 5 or so different RAs

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2. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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IMO the lineup system can't be topped. Also, you think that these girls in AAMPs now and the lineup girls are distinct categories, but they aren't. If the storefronts still existed, at least 1/2 of these girls would be there. The hottest girls I've ever seen were at Lee's, GF, etc. Also it was okay to sit and wait for a while, then leave if you weren't interested. Still have good memories of them.

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20. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   Agree with the 'the addictadict'

The lineup system was great.

If you go to Asia, the "fishbowls" are even more awesome!

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3. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Aug-10 AT 00:46 AM (PST)
 
Pre-Black Thursday no doubt about it.

Standard Prices were $150 (Asian price), $170 (Korean price), $200 (Non-Asian Price), and the most important factors:

1. No shilling or online scam games.

2. Line-ups, you can pick and choose, so no B&S. You can walk and go to another place and no big deal.

3. No pressure and very casual and civil, like going to a nice, fancy restaurant.

4. Better looking providers who have to compete. Competition is good for the consumer.

5. No robberies. Too many girls there to protect one another, and there is mamasan.

6. It was viewed as more "legitimized" back then, though still illegal, but at least what you saw was what you got. Little fear of LE repercussions.

7. Most of the services were covered from start to finish, which was/is safer for the provider and her client.

8. They paid some of their taxes.

9. You can go in 2's or more. It was a friendly outing.

10. Everyone was held in check. Client, friend who didn't want to lose face if he was too physically abusive to comfort provider, and comfort provider had a reputation to uphold for her establishment and her peers.

Back then, the economy was stronger, and the price was $150-200.

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4. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Aug-10 AT 01:08 AM (PST)
 
I totally forgot the price factor. $40-60 desk fee, and $100 tip. a bargain

Another thing. I remember every girl I ever got to know on the outside had their own apartment (not stuck in some mamasan tenement), worked when they wanted, and made time for social stuff.

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5. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   Difference of opinion/experience with...

>3. No pressure and very casual and civil, like going to a
>nice, fancy restaurant.

Often times, the mamasan did push customers to pick a girl to keep things moving along. A number fo the discussions back then spoke to this pressure


>4. Better looking providers who have to compete.

I spent most of my time at Rainbow and ventured to GF, Kings (Bebe!), and Lucky's on occasion, and I just disagree as far as the Korean gals go. In fact, I saw many a K-girl after the warpaint came off and whoa!


>5. No robberies. Too many girls there to protect one
>another, and there is mamasan.

Definitely not true; there were robberies. In fact, that was the reason for the trained police dog at Rainbow.


On the other hand...

>9. You can go in 2's or more. It was a friendly outing.

It often seemed like a mens club; got to know some regulars that I regret loosing touch with.



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6. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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Having never experienced a "line up", Pre RB I did visit a few AMPs, there were a couple of girls working. I found the many doors, small rooms and beds, hallway showers, and street front locations not to my liking.

I am comfortable and like the current AAMP, often one, two and "sometimes" three women working, spacious rooms, wide beds, private showers, even then I occasionally 'hear' a screamer in the next room. I can only imagine the sounds at a popular AMP with many girls working. I also like the privacy afforded by the AAMPs, not interested in sitting in a lobby waiting for my turn and having coffee with another customer.

Even more to my liking is the independant women. Why just the otherday while visiting.....(fill in the blank)..., she was located at a upscale inn, spacious room, private shower, easy to book, going over on time, I find it much more relaxing and exciting for the both of us.

While seeing one of the few indys I see, during dinner she had put on this full length silky nitie. I commented on how lovely see looked. She explained it was just an 'old' thing she used to wear when see worked a line up. She also expressed her dislike for those days. It must be hard for the women that are not as good looking, popular, working in those situations.

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7. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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I still remember those days where you go out and get a few drinks with your buddies, stop by Lee's, have a smoke and take your sweet old time looking at the lineup's. You don't see what you like, just drive a few blocks to Palm Tree or GF.

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8. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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without a doubt pre BLACK THU ! ! !

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9. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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Pre black thurs for sure...

Doing the MP crawl in SF was awesome... especially ending up at GF, chatting with mamasan and just hanging out checking out the line-up until you see someone to your liking.

Those were the days when you could have everything from skanky viets to DDG K-girls all a stones throw away from each other.

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10. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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Definitely Pre-Black Thursday. I was a regular at King's until they were shut down all because the management was stupid enough to rough up a stray provider who eventually turned them in to the authorities. You were treated like royalty at King's. After the bust, Rainbow became a regular haunt. Descreet off street entrance in the alley around the corner from the Irish Bank. Good line up. Safe because of the guard dog. Sun Spa was good too. Sad to see that place at Geary and Hyde boarded up. Graffiti on the walls. Sad. Really sad.

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11. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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I miss the era before black Thursday. I just remember one time I was at Rainbow picking from 11 girls, and a health inspector was there talking to the mamasan; and me enjoying my hot tea. Those were good times. And the rates were great!

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12. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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I assume "black thursday" was a big bust many years back. for those of us who don't know, could one of you give a brief recount of what happened?

Thanks in advance.

-DL

Never Ask Why ........

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13. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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A few of the AMP was busted on a Thursday, the rest just gave up. Some are still open but mostly MILF or no FS. Around the same time, AAMP started. That pretty much sums it up.

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14. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   I remember pre-black thursday too well. I was at King's and had a session with "Jane" right before it all happened. When I got word of what came down, I thanked my lucky f***ing stars that I had just left. I miss those days. I even remember my first amp experience was with the famous Sky who had worked at Lucky's. I've been dying to see her down in SJ but I keep missing her. Oh well. Still thanking those stars for the fond memories.

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16. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Aug-10 AT 07:16 PM (PST)
 
Syre would be nice to have a line-up to choose from for syre. But only experienced it in Nevada. Could never find the time to venture to the City by the Bay.

Scared Mimi/Joy("thee" tightest kitten of them all) away. The day before my planned next session.

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17. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Aug-10 AT 08:33 PM (PST)
 
What kind of question is that?
Pre-black Thursday of course, if you didn't experience those line-ups, then I feel sorry for you.

Just kidding, but seriously the scene today doesn't come close to what we had pre-blck Thursday. It is what it is. Like the great philosopher Donald Rumsfeld said: you don't go to war with the army you wish you had, you go to war with the army you have.

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18. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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I deinfitely feel sorry for me.

Two roads diverged and I chose the road down south

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19. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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Everyone hated Lee's or preferred other places, but that was my spot. My 3-4 favorite girls all time were there (Yang, Nicole/Vicky, Christine, and Paula - don't pretend you know them, you don't). I loved how it took half that hugeass building, there was free parking (what?!) in the back, and Jackie was the hardest lovable mamasan ever. Anyone know what happened to all the rooms upstairs? Are they part of that hotel now? I would love that place to be turned into some gentrified condo and I buy the corner of it.

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23. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   I agree with many here that pre Black Thursday were the Golden Years. Walking in a lobby and having dozens of eyes checking YOU out as you checked THEM out was surreal at times. The thing is, you looked, you liked, you went with her. The only problem was they were often very good as 'teasing' you with their eyes and you often got fooled. If that happened, next time you pick someone else. The downside was if you started picking a girl on a regular basis, everyone knew it and soon you were "her customer" and things could get a little tense.

The best part you didn't have to make an appointment. Yeah, if you wanted to see someone, you could call ahead, but that never really worked - it was always first come, first served.

However, I'm beginning to like the AAMP model more and more. I do thing service is better because there's a allotted time and they are pacing themselves better.

In the line up days, a busy night meant it could be a mad house and the pressure to get you in and out was high. Also, things could get a little dicey. I was at Sunflower once around 2AM when the drunks rolled in and there was a massive fight in the lobby and right outside my door. Girls were yelling, drunk assholes were yelling and pushing and shoving, fists started to fly, the owner and her husband were screaming and when someone yelled "I'm calling the police!", I pulled out, got dressed and pushed my way through the scrum and to the door. It was freakin' bizarre.

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24. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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   Some of you might not be familiar with the actual events that came to be known as BT (Black Thursday). Its official name was Operation Gilded Cage...

http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2005/July/20050701182254cmretrop0.2110865.html



Great question; I'm very ambivalent about the differences. In short, the...

BT era

Pros

Always felt like an outing if not an adventure; I loved my road trips to the city.
Offered many lineups of (mostly) smiling, flirtatious gals.
Used the first come, first serve scheduling principle and effective appointments were exceptions to the rule.
Operating hours often permitted as late as 2am-4am dalliances
Was a spectator as well as a participant sport; always entertained by guys grappling with the choices, and the choices making it oh so difficult for them!
Befriending a few customers, owners, providers (i.e. very open minded social aspect)
Dining in the city; mostly after the festivities but sometimes before
got a real insiders view of the world
"A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.... BBFS wasn't nearly the health threat it is now.

Cons

life was extremely disrupted by the feds and in particular, the sheer stupidity of USA Kevin Ryan and cohort Bradley Schlozman, both subsequently dismissed from their federal jobs for (unrelated) extremely poor performance and judgment (I predicted the demise of Ryan)
Service levels were acceptable and on occasion, barely breached the GFE boundary.


Post-BT Era

Pros

Offerings within the SF Bay Area horseshoe (i.e. Penn, South, and East Bay regions) meet if not exceed the physical attractiveness level of the pre-BT days
Service tends to far exceed anything I received previously (notwithstanding Fuji and Nikki's)
Price differences if any, are mostly negligible and sometimes in my favor.
The AAMPs do tend to be closer and require shorter driving.

Cons

Overall, my AAMP experiences feel compartmentalized from beginning to end. That is, the social aspect is non-existent and the diversion feels like it begins and ends somewhat starkly, via an anonymous, nondescript, apartment complex hallway and door. I miss the highways and byways that led to the Emerald City (i.e. SF AMPs).
I am not compelled to visit SF AMPs anymore based perhaps on ignorance but in the few years following BT, the providers were borderline in appearance, zilch in performance, and disproportionately expensive. Perhaps the better parts went subterranean but I was no longer in the know.
The AAMPs have progressively reeled in their operating hours (for presumably good reasons) to barely late evening, but I've never developed an orientation for this.
As previously discussed, getting an appointment with certain providers and occasionally, with any provider, seems more problematic. Not unexpectedly, the "I'm blacklisted" or "I'm not worthy" syndromes erupt but they're just signs of the times... We're competing more directly with each other and are being held to a punctuality that was heretofore, nonexistent vis-a-vis the Pre-BT AMPs.

Well, that's all I'm going to say about that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_M9WrTC_qM



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25. "RE: Present or Pre Black Thursday Era?"
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One additional bonus for me was that I'm not a huge fan of BB anything, not when 100 guys have been before me. Pre-BT days in my experience (I'm not an old timer), everything was always covered. Put my mind at ease...

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