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summerrayne summerrayne rating
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"Please Read!"
 
LAST EDITED ON 03-Sep-10 AT 08:18 PM (PST)
 
If you are clean and sober or just have HOPE of someday quitting drinking and/or doing drugs - please inbox me.

There is a great clean/sober private forum you can be a part of.

Maybe you're a provider and want to know who the clean/sober hobbyists are?

Maybe you're a hobbyist and wants to know where all the clean and sober providers are?

Maybe you want to make friends with people of the same gender?'

Share your struggles.

Share your goals.

Share your hope, strength, love and joy.

You can be operate in this world and not beat yourself up about it.

You don't have to be driven by addictions.

You can -

Find Friends.

Find out "How It Works."

We are not a grim bunch.

We are pretty much like any other RB group.

We share about all kinds of things.

But most of all - we SHARE SOLUTIONS.

Let's KICK IT UP A NOTCH! Come join us!

UGH. I am running late to a regular get-together with friends of Bill W - and need to leave the house.

I promise to answer all IB messages with corresponding contact info when I get back!


It's always Summer at my place! xoxo

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PostNasalDrip
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03-Sep-10, 09:52 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: Please Read!"
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   I'll drink to that.


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randicus randicus rating
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03-Sep-10, 10:44 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: Please Read!"
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Something I have never done. Are drugs. I never even smoked weed. And I have no interest in trying it now.

But you would be amazed at how that seems to have been looked down on by some people.

I had a woman I use to know tell me that someone she knew had a stronger character than me because he was an addict at one time. But now he was clean and sober. Where as I have never been an addict and therefore didn't need the willpower to keep from doing it.

I guess it didn't count that I was smarter than him to never go where he went in the first place.

It actually pissed me off when she said that. So I didn't speak to her again for about 6 months.

Oh, the guy didn't stay sober. And is now dead because he drove into a telephone pole one night. At least he only killed himself. I hate drunk drivers.

So I would join your forum but you must know that I have never been an addict for either drugs or drinks. So I may not be what you are looking for in it.

But I am clean and sober.

-Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

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summerrayne summerrayne rating
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03-Sep-10, 11:34 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: Please Read!"
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LAST EDITED ON 03-Sep-10 AT 11:38 PM (PST)
 
I never had a DUI or any drama.

I was a quiet-stay-at-home-after-the-kids-were-asleep kind of drinker.

Growing up in and living in a military environment I never had any inclination to try drugs.

I started going to meetings 14 years ago at the behest of another program I initally went to in order to figure out how to "fix" my sons' father.

From my first day - I realized I "belonged".

Many have helped me through tough times and in turn, I've tried to give back what was so freely given to me whenever I've had the chance to be of service.

Ending up on Redbook to support my family in a barren job market didn't make this journey any easier.

I am certainly not the poster child for perfection in any way! lol

I'm just learning along the journey like most of us are.

If you think you might have something to add - or just be of support - just inbox me and I'd be happy to share the contact information.

**BIG HUGS**

It's always Summer at my place! xoxo

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HighSteppermoderator HighStepper rating
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04-Sep-10, 02:57 AM (PST)
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4. "RE: Please Read!"
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LAST EDITED ON 04-Sep-10 AT 03:04 AM (PST)
 
It is sad that in the 21st century we still have prevailing attitudes that people involved in these type of self help programs with the support of a group are somehow viewed as being “weak.”

Over ten years ago I was busted on charges of drug possession. Because society doesn’t tolerate recreational drug use like it does social drinking of alcohol one must be an “addict” to receive a diversion program rather than prison.

So I got a nudge from the judge and went to a NA 12 step program. From my experience, these programs are potentially a lot more than not using a particular substance. It is a process that people can use to live a better life without stress and resentments AND without having to "self medicate."

Two key points I would like to make are:

1. Some people can drink sociably and do drugs recreational without serious concerns about addiction. The addict/alcoholic is not to question what these people do; they just must accept and understand that they can't do it.

2. One need not be addicted to a substance to benefit from these programs, especially from studying the steps.

It was easy for me to practice abstinence while going through the program, so I was not struggling to achieve sobriety, but I did find serenity. And after all these years I still fairly regularly go to a step study meeting to maintain it and to help others find it. It is interesting that I see some people in these programs that have years of sobriety, but they have yet to find serenity.

While I may not live a strictly clean and sober life, I am better able to deal with life on life’s terms without having to use drugs and alcohol as a way of coping.

Edit to add: I am addicted to cigarettes. Even after 10 years of not smoking I took it up again.


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04-Sep-10, 03:26 AM (PST)
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5. "RE: Please Read!"
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   HS & Summer, et al.: you're to be commended for the inspiration and encouragement you provide others. Gave up alcohol and even cigarettes and without being a nag, when given the opportunity by someone who's struggling with either I simply offer that life without is indeed much more serene and full of peace. Bless Y'all good folks. My hat's off to you.

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wizeguy wizeguy rating
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04-Sep-10, 05:34 AM (PST)
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6. "RE: Please Read!"
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   In my old hippie dayz....I had a t-shirt that said..."no hope without dope"......words to live by back then........

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04-Sep-10, 06:41 AM (PST)
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7. "RE: Please Read!"
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LAST EDITED ON 04-Sep-10 AT 06:45 AM (PST)
 
>> 1. Some people can drink sociably and do drugs recreational without serious concerns about addiction. The addict/alcoholic is not to question what these people do; they just must accept and understand that they can't do it. <<

Your item one here is true and deals with the reality that self diagnosed alcoholic or addict must accept the hard reality of his own situation.

To a recovering alcoholic or an addict, the ability to gain genuine acceptance of who we are, our place in this world, and the way things really are, is a pretty big deal in this recovery business.

Sometimes gaining enough acceptance of People, Places, Things, Situations, etc, etc, etc, to get and stay Clean and Sober can be a pretty damn tough nut to crack.........but it really is the key to the whole damn thing.

One of the hardest things for me to accept in sobriety is burying people, and knowing that I will bury many more that will die or be killed in their addictions. People no different than me, and no doubt, a fair share of people better than me.

Sticking with the topic of acceptance and the facts stated in your item #1, I had a couple of half-assed parallel/related thoughts.


1.(b) Some people, even in the face of strong evidence to the contrary, will hold tenuously to the irrational notion that they are social drinkers and recreational drug users.

Often such people will outwardly play off, or vehemently deny that they may (or do) have any serious concerns in regard to addictive behaviors they may exhibit and the consequences thereof.

This is not at all unusual even in cases where such a person is patently symptomatic to most truly objective and/or detached observers.

The recovering addict/alcoholic may well question what these people do, and have well founded serious concerns regarding the physical, emotional, and psychological well-being of such people; but the recovering alcoholic/addict must accept and understand that he/she can not do a helluva lot to help and/or counsel another of their fellows who may be on or approaching that slippery slope of addiction.....and of course the same goes for those who are clearly still out there rippin' and runnln' in full on addiction.


*As the saying goes......

"If you wanna drink and use, that's your business.
If you think you wanna stop drinking and using', well, that's my business.

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summerrayne summerrayne rating
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8. "RE: Please Read!"
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LAST EDITED ON 04-Sep-10 AT 09:27 AM (PST)
 
Funny t-shirt, Wiseguy! and "Thank you, HS and noworeezm8!"

For me, I knew a long time ago I did not drink like a normal person.

I never drank around other people - I always drank alone.

So I could never call myself a "social" drinker of any sort.

As far as my serenity goes, I know I am definitely better off the more meetings I get to.

My home group has been like a second family to me for many years.

As soon as I walk in the door a sense of peace washes over me as I slide into one of my favorite chairs.

Sometimes it's hard seeing clients in meetings.

But hey - after being "the hobby" and/or working in this business for a couple of years, you could go to a meeting at the north pole and a penguin would walk in that you'd sessioned with before! lol

So I can never allow the reality of that fact to keep me away from meetings.

Some people feel a sense of peace as soon as they enter their place of worship; that's how I feel about my home group.

You'll see less wacky posts from me when I'm "living in the solution" rather than "focusing on the problem."

It's always Summer at my place! xoxo

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jameswallace
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14-Sep-10, 08:21 AM (PST)
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9. "RE: Please Read!"
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   bump

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