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MSE1963
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"Who said that"
 
the harmonist

" .. To be sure the particular forms in which we as individuals were to live had not yet been created and distributed; but already the seminal nature was there from which we were to be propagated.."

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1. "RE: Who said that"
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Sounds like St Augustine. Not sure why you ask the question. But if you are interested in discussing religious philosophy or spirituality I suggest you post in the Babel On forum.

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MSE1963
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3. "RE: Who said that"
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the harmonist

Wow a lot of respect for you. Not a religious person at all. But I was reading a good book called "Eureka" and fascinated by St Augustine's use of words

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2. "Nominee for oddest post of all time..."
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   St. Augustine in Augustine's City of God, Book 13

In his discussion of original sin.

"For God, the author of natures, not of vices, created man upright; but man, being of his own will corrupted, and justly condemned, begot corrupted and condemned children.

For we were all in that one man, since we all were that one man who fell into sin by the woman who was made from him before the sin.

To be sure the particular forms in which we as individuals were to live had not yet been created and distributed; but already the seminal nature was there from which we were to be propagated;

and since this was vitiated by sin, bound by the chain of death, and justly condemned, man could not be born in any other state."

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MSE1963
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4. "RE: Nominee for oddest post of all time..."
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the harmonist

Impressed by Ur memory!
Religion aside I think he was a good communicator

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5. "RE: Nominee for oddest post of all time..."
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   The Babal On Forum is not necessarily a religious forum. There is much discussion of non-religious and spiritual subjects. Everyone questions the world we live in as well as where we came from and where we are going.............btw, you don't need a good memory when you have Google!

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6. "RE: Nominee for oddest post of all time..."
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   What an obscene and contemptible notion.

That a newborn child possesses the same sin or guilt as does a murderer.

The world would have been a better place if St. Augustine never lived; or more delicately, if he had never learned to write.

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7. "RE: Nominee for oddest post of all time..."
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You gotta love blaming woman for original sin as well, lol.

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10. "RE: Nominee for oddest post of all time..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-Sep-10 AT 04:19 PM (PST)
 
This appears to be mostly interpretation.

When read alone, it appears to me both genders are blamed. With emphasis on the male being the original sinner.

Man being willful, corrupted and condemned. Woman was created from the (original sinning) man. Seminal nature, eg.

If memory serves, St Augustine was a horrible monger for the majority of his life. Imposing most of his own personal (male) guilt on the rest of humanity, with his later writings.

One could easily interpret this as rationalization, I sinned because I was made this way. Or further, I sinned because I was tempted by women, who are also born of sin.

Interestingly, this explanation of his, obviously attempting to help sort out many illogical Biblical paradoxes, or alleviate his own guilt, creates many more in it's wake. Ultimately, if a creator is perfect, how could it create something flawed, or why would it create something flawed, in the first place. It either exemplifies an imperfect creator being without the power to create something perfect; or if the flaw was intentional, a being with the moral compass of a child pulling wings off of flys or burning ants with a magnifying glass.

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8. "RE: Who said that"
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   First result in Google.

The whole book (Eureka!) is posted in Google Books.

Sad...so sad.

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9. "RE: Who said that"
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   I have no idea what you have said! it is way above my head.

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