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"How Dumb Are We??"
 
  
AND THIS IS JUST ONE FAMILY OF THEM, THERE ARE THOUSANDS WE ARE SUPPORTING IN THIS SAME WAY. EVEN GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT HELP THEM START A COMPANY LIKE A MOM AND POP STORE. THEY HAVE 7 YEARS TO GET OFF THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, SO AT THAT TIME , THEY PUT IT IN ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBERS NAME AND THAT GIVE'S THEM 7 MORE YEARS.


So now we find out that the entire Tsarnaev family (Dad, Mom, 2 sons & 2 daughters) started receiving government assistance as soon as they set foot in our country. As political refugees they were entitled to settlement assistance from day one. (Section 8 Housing, public healthcare, food stamps etc.)

Then their stellar older son impregnates and marries the daughter of a doctor, and this new little Muslim family receives 18 months of government assistance. They only came off welfare after the naive young wife starts working 70 hours a week while husband Tamerlan stays home and builds bombs and plans to kill and injure the very Americans who have paid for his pathetic existence for the past 12 plus years.

A Breakdown of your and my investment into the TsarnaevFamily:
Section 8 housing
Free public healthcare
Food stamps and other EFT transfer payments
Federal Pell Grants for both sons and most likely their daughters as well. (That is $5200.00 per year for each son or daughter who attended a college.)
City of Cambridge also awarded a $2500 per year scholarship to the younger son.
Younger son also reportedly was receiving state college scholarship.

What did we receive for our investment:
∑ Older son was arrested for domestic battery on a former girlfriend.
∑ The mother was arrested last year for shoplifting $1600 in merchandise from a Lord & Taylor store. Mother is facing immediate arrest for failure to appear regarding this matter.
∑ Then of course we know that the two sons combined to kill four people (3 Americans & a Chinese exchange student), severely injure 100 plus other people, carjacked another victim and only let him live when they found out that he was not an American citizen.
∑ Now we have the two pathetic parents who have returned to Russia and are claiming that their poor sons are innocent and are being framed by the same American government that allowed for their pathetic existence the past 12 plus years.

When are we going to put a stop to this madness??

Please pass this on and commit to getting involved in the 2014 election process.



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1. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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   so u figure thats why they did it?

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2. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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GOD BLESS AMERICA..Who says we aren't still the Land of Opportunity.

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3. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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A sad way to look at it, but true!


Hindsight is 20/20, but mine is a blur.

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4. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-May-13 AT 07:32 AM (PST)
 

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5. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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We do this all of the time, with all kinds of programs. So why do we have a trillion dollar a year deficit?

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6. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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The initial family most likely also got SSI of $500 - $1000 per month. Child care can also provide another $500 per child per month for young children. Basically in California it was not unusual for Soviet bloc immigrants to receive over $5k per month in tax free benefits and then to work for cash for a relative. One joke was that the poor one's could only afford BMWs.

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10. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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>The initial family most likely also got SSI of $500 - $1000
>per month. Child care can also provide another $500 per
>child per month for young children. Basically in California
>it was not unusual for Soviet bloc immigrants to receive
>over $5k per month in tax free benefits and then to work for
>cash for a relative. One joke was that the poor one's
>could only afford BMWs.

How true, and does the IRS ever go after them --- hell no.
It was nice reading during the past few months about the the "Soviet BloOc" group being sentenced for mortgage fraud. Most likely though they caught the pawns and not the kingpins.

Duck----in coming

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7. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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   "...while husband Tamerlan stays home and builds bombs and plans to kill and injure the very Americans who have paid for his pathetic existence for the past 12 plus years."

And all the while praying to Allah 5 times a day (or is it seven?) Now what I really want to know is what kinda god (with a very little "g") do these fools think is going to approve of such actions? Did he imagined that if he'd 12 little kids instead of one, then his god would have been all the more pleased...I'm sorry, but that's just fucking nuts.

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8. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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I have a fake handle, so I probably won't be assassinated after saying this.

Both these assholes and Bin Laden were following to the letter what it says in their Holley book as it is written, unless you try to interpret an apple to mean an orange, which is what people try to do for the purpose of political correctness.

Political correctness will eventually kill all of us, and that's a huge price to pay because we feel ashamed of being who we really are. They will keep doing these things to us until they kill all of us, because that's what their so called prophet did.

I dare anyone to disagree with me.

Note to self: Never "beg" beggars.

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14. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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Unfortunately, much of what you are saying is true. But you only identified half the problem.

One of Americaís weaknesses is the belief that OUR values are desired by all people. For example the phrase, ďI donít believe in what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.Ē Free speech! I served in the military to preserve it, as did many.

Understand that there are people in this world that DO NOT want free speech. They wish to follow the dictates of their clerics and deified leaders. They want a homogeneous harmony in their society based on their traditions and rituals. We need to respect that. It is not up to us to overlay our values over theirs.


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15. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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My Dear HighStepper, I can't believe that you served in the military and yet you are so naive in your understanding of the universe and how it actually works. I used to be just like you until just a few years ago, until I started to see the real world as it truly is. You probably still think your parents loved each other, and that's why they made you, just a guess.

These are not native americans looking to hunt buffalos and smoke their pipes. These folks are looking to kill you and everything that you and people like you stand for. They have said thatís what they want, they have practiced what they have said, and they are working to improve their capabilities with no expenses to be spared.

I personally donít care if there is or there is not freedom of speech, just tell me what the rules are and I will follow it, and I will do just fine. But these people are looking to impose their values on the rest of the world, and they see you as their enemy and they plan to destroy you.

The biggest thing they have going for them is people like G.W., or Rushbo, or that crazy witch Bachmann, or those other T-shirt sellers with the strange accents and their stomachs hanging out of their pants always advocating war. Who would want to listen to people like that, instead of listening to the kinder gentler people like Obama for example.

But you know I have actually spent some time studying this subject, without prejudice, and there is only one intellectually defensible position here. Iím sorry but these folks will not just go away, if you turn the other chick.

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16. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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You miss understood me, let me make it easier for you.

I basically believe in people's right to self determination. You got shit, I got shit, you respect my shit and I'll respect your shit, you mess with my shit, I'll fuck your shit up.


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18. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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Wow. Youv'e studied the problem and complained a lot apparently. Have you done anything to change it? If not, why not?

"I'm thinkin' in a brand new way"-
Sting

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19. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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LAST EDITED ON 12-May-13 AT 10:27 AM (PST)
 
That's not my job. That's why I pay taxes so that we have things like for example, NSA, TSA, CIA, FBI, Army, Navy, Airforce, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, etc.

My job is to speak up so that Bleeding Heart Liberals don't try to sell me or others like me the idea that bunch of crazy assholes with nothing to lose, who don't respect the human life and human dignity, who are still living in the dark ages have the right to do their shit right until the moment that they decide to mess with my shit.

I am sorry to be politically incorrect, but I actually believe what we have is worth fighting "proactively" to preserve. First we must finish the job in Afghanistan, and don't leave until we have eradicated the Taliban and their poppy fields 100%. If we don't do that and throw our hands up and just leave, it WILL come back and bite us in the ass.

HS seems unable to comprehend that "THEIR SHIT" is precisely to mess with our shit, and that is the problem.

In order to understand that, I suggest that folks first try and figure out what exactly it was that caused these people to do what they did in the first place? What did they want? What did they hope to achieve?

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9. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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   The system is broken.

When we cater to the needs and feelings of the minority, the majority is left without rights.

When we open those loopholes for people, citizens and non citizens alike, those loopholes will be exploited...period. It is the general nature of people to choose the path of least resistance. Why work when the government will support you?

Close the borders.
Put REAL term limits on welfare and subsidy programs.
Spend more on domestic aid than foreign aid.
Stop funding countries that support terrorism...or ignore it within their borders.
End political correctness.
End both left and right television propaganda.
End the hardcore media coverage of terror acts (monkey see monkey do).
Stop being the policemen of the world. The Middle East countries will still be there...and they'll still be at war a thousand years from ow.
Get out of Afghanistan.
Bring our troops home.
Focus on peacetime activities instead of wartime activities.

I could go on and on...

Oh...one last thing: FLAT TAX!

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12. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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G E cannot make money with peace.

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13. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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Educate the people, so that they are less stupid and or ignorant. That way this country won't be forced to import brains and can be self sufficient in brain power.

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21. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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   Fascinating thread:
Sammy two points: You are correct. PC has created what I refer to as 'reverse Darwinism'. Those who are stupid live by PC privileges, are allowed to survive; ergo, further stupidity. Stupidity generally ends in a life similar to that of squalor, or that of Kim K and the 'reality show(s)' followers.
Regarding messing w/shit. A friend lived in the Arabic world for four years. His observations were that for the most part, men simply respect nothing other than themselves and their ideologies. He has seen them kick their children down the streets like soccer balls and abuse women in ways that are incredible dehumanizing. These people have been living in hate and war for over 4000 years, only the weapons have changed. They understand one word, 'power'. Their goal in life is to mess with our shit, they live and die for that purpose. How many of our freedoms have they taken with their behavior? Air transportation alone is a brilliant example.
They want us to be fearful.

Gerb your post makes more sense than anything I have read by you, kudos. Except for controlling the media and what people say. The problem is really education. We ARE Dumb! At least we are seriously 'dumbing down' our education and our expectations. As a result, people actually believe that stuff. The founders believed that if we educated our people we would resolve most of our problems. Fast forward, we have screwed up education and are enjoying the results.
Oh, and on the flat tax...we also need to tax corporations as though they are individuals--Flat tax profits.

History does repeat itself and we have not listened for decades. One of the more creditable Presidents we have ever had, an esteemed military general expressed in his farewell address that "we need to beware of the industrial military complex"; we ARE dumb and we do not learn!

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24. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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At best case this is "reverse Darwinism".

I won't even try to tell you what I actually think it is (It's Darwinism on steroids). History does have ways of repeating itself.

Note to self: Never "beg" beggars.

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11. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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   If you really want to see stupidity at it's finest, just go to the Freedumb Hall and feast your brain on those idiots..

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17. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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Exactly. Nobody does "dumb" like Dubya.

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20. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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America was founded by Christians. We need to stop the political correctness and protect our Christian country. I tolerate others but I never forget they are different. I don't mind immigrants so long as they worship Jesus. To anyone that doesn't believe in the same God that I do, take a flying fuck to paradise. And before anyone says anything stupid to me, if you were not born in America, I already don't give a fuck what you think.

God bless all the veterans of the U.S. Military.

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23. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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"America was founded by Christians."

The symbolism they have used in building the US Capitol and on the Dollar Bills don't have crosses on them though. Unless you consider Ku Klux Klan as part of US government.

Also there is nothing (that I've seen) in either the Bible or the Koran that seem to indicate opposition to slavery, and equal rights. Stoning is encouraged though in all of them so called religions.

I'm sorry but based on what you have written, I think that you are a retarded person, and also possibly a homosexual.

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25. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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   I hope you took a bomb to the head, I'd hate to think you were raised to be a bigot.

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22. "RE: How Dumb Are We??"
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Well isn't that awesome.. they are better taken care of then I am & I was BORN in this country. Yikes.

xoxo MsDecadence

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