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Are you going to put a little Capn' in her anytime soon?

~~A gentleman never facials and tells~~

If anyone TOFTT, please provide intel.

It appears that they travel to the bay area together. I didn't inquire about doubles but that's not my thing. She does not discuss details on the phone (smart) but she did say she was full RBGFE. I'll report back after seeing her!

Given that Erin and Jazzy Jazell are part of a very infamous pimp's crew, who posts under a whole cheer-leading team of fake and shill handles (e.g., Carrot Top, Lakers_Fan, Y'all_Makes_Us_Legends, Y'all_So_Ungrateful, Enough_Alreadya), the possibility that YOU, sir, are not only a shill, but also yet another of this thoroughly despicable pimp's fake handles occurs to me as being a real possibility.

Again, I just hate to be so darned untrusting, but dealing with this crew over time has shown to one and all here that you just can't be TOO suspicious. Why not take this opportunity to establish your hobbying credentials here and prove my suspicions wrong. You hype these two girls to the stars without having ever seen them - even going so far as to provide a link to Erin's ads and reviews - then punt on actually sessioning with either one because you've suddenly got to go out of town on business...hmm,hmmm. Let us know when you get back in town, K?

What difference does it make if a particular girl is pimped or not? Well, let me run it down for you as succinctly as I possibly can: Generally speaking, pimped pussy provides pitifully poor performance. And , unfortunately, these days that poor service can also include all manner of ROB scams, up to and including armed robbery.

However, that's not ALWAYS true and, based on Carrot Top's pimped girls' (Erin_Livingstone and Jazzy Jazzelle) great reviews, they seem to be an exception to the above-stated rule. So, in this particular case, if you don't think ALL pimped meat should be boycotted, as I do, then why should you care? The additional reason to care is that pimped pussy is over-priced pussy because there's a middle man skimming the profits in order to fund his lazy ass life-style. Erin and Jazzy started out as $200 hr. pimped hoes, but under Carrot Top's greedy thumb they're now asking $400 per for the same services...in this economy, when equally good-looking girls are charging less than half that, and all to support pimpy's coke habit? OH HELLLL NO!

By all means, do what you like, but as for me, there's nothing I hate worse than to see my hard-earned cash go to some cheese-dick, two-strike loser who won't work for an honest living...and that's who Carrot Top/Y'all is, in aces.

What you've posed to the audience here is not so much a Sophie's Choice type situation, but more of a Doofy's Choice one.

just curious... most of the gals i see seem to be pretty sharp, decent girls, yet lots of time u know something is going on behind the scenes... especially some chick like erin livingstone... what hold does the management have over them??? psychological for sure, physical? just hard to imagine being on the real world side of things...

enlighten me if u can, i'm sure every situation is a little different, but a lot of these providers don't seem that weak... and they could certainly do better on their own... bottom line is, what service does the pimp actually provide for them in today's world???

What does seem to be very common, though, is that it is almost always very young girls (often times TOO young girls) who are the ones most likely to choose pimped meat status over being an indy. In fact, it seems to be a standard MO for pimps like Carrot Top/Lakers_fan/Enough_Alreadya/AGL to recruit young, down-on-their-luck girls, such as Jazzy, Erin and now, it seems, Kelsey, to their stables.

What you don't see very often are older, experienced providers who have always been indy who, all of a sudden, decide that it's a wise business move to choose up with some cheese-dick pimp or another. It seems that gullibility and poor judgement are, in large part, a function of age. It's the same thing with tobacco use: hook'em early or miss your chance.

Additionally, many of these young girls not only come from financially impoverished backgrounds, but from emotionally impoverished ones as well, where they've been subjected to abuse, neglect and abandonment. A childhood such as that leaves them vulnerable to the manipulations of pimps who seem to have developed a very fine sense of intuition with respect to whom might be most amenable to their overtures and attention, based on these girls' neediness. Once inside their heads and hearts, it's just not that hard for pimps to gradually take over the lives of these young girls and then proceed on to the usual course of abuse, coercion and cynical manipulation that most of us here find so reprehensible.

Personally, I don't know a single girl who is now indy or retired that started out in the biz as pimped meat who thinks that that was a wise move or who materially benefited over the long term by having such a business association.

In this day and age, any girl with a smart phone (or just reliable access to one), a free RB membership and bus fare can be in business for herself. Pimps traditionally provided physical protection for their girls, front money for pro pics and decent clothes, transportation, food, a black book of eager customers, etc. In exchange, his girls do ALL the work, take most of the risk (of arrest, disease, etc.) and turn over ALL their earnings to "daddy".

Sound like a fucked deal to you? You fuckin' A it is!

I have no need to prove myself to you. And if me saying that a girl sounded nice on the phone and conveyed the facts of a phone conversation in this forum,fits your definition of "shilling", then either you don't know what a shill is or you have other issues going on causing you to lash out with ad hominem attacks.

Regardless, I'd like to thank you all for educating me to the fact that Erin and "her crew" are pimped out girls. I will not see Kelsey next week and rather save my $$$.

For the record, I have 27 posts because I am a lurker on the boards and don't write reviews.