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"Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 21-Aug-10 AT 09:24 PM (PST)
 
Cruisers beware: Checkpoint on Blackstone (northbound lane) in front of old Mervyn's lot just south of Ashlan in Fresno.

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1. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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Thanks for the warning.

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2. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   Here's a better warning. Don't be a dumbfuck by drinking and driving.


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3. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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They just don't get people for drinking and driving; they also get people who don't have a drivers license.

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4. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   If they don't have a drivers license then they would not need to worry about checkpoints...because they should not be driving! Right?


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5. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   LOL.Shit,I knew that was coming.

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6. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   LAST EDITED ON 22-Aug-10 AT 00:24 AM (PST)
 
I guess you shouldn't be hobbying either, since it's illegal, right? How would you like to get your car towed if you ever got caught up in a sting? By your reasoning it's perfectly fair, since you weren't supposed to be doing it in the first place. I agree with the original intent of these checkpoints, but it seems to have morphed into so much more in recent years, and it seems like they can take your car away for almost anything you do or don't do. And I've been following westsidebobb's posts on the subject for a while now: It seems like they go out of their way to put these checkpoints in poor neighborhoods, and target people who can least afford to lose their vehicles (or lack the financial means to fight back, which is more likely the case). I have yet to find one of these checkpoints north of Shaw Ave. in the decade I've been living here -- anyone else notice this? If all they did was go after drunk drivers, I doubt any of us would care.

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8. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   Do you really need me to explain the difference between hobbying and getting in your car after you've been drinking?

Just because you haven't seen a checkpoint north of Shaw doesn't mean they aren't there. I have seen numerous checkpoints on Nees and also on N. Cedar. But they must just be picking on the people who can afford to lose their vehicle. Although I've never heard of a single person who could actually afford to lose their car.

You know what? We should inform everyone of the checkpoints. Then the next day in the news we hear of the family who was killed by a drunk driver and left behind a 3 y.o. little girl who is now orphaned, we will all breath a sigh of relief knowing the drunk douchebag was able to avoid the checkpoint. Whew! Thank God that he didn't get stopped.


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9. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   LAST EDITED ON 22-Aug-10 AT 01:42 AM (PST)
 
I guess that went waaaaaaay over your head. First of all, I know the difference between hobbying and drunk driving (and all the OTHER things they check for, which aren't even in the same ballpark, but will STILL get your car towed) but the law doesn't... that was your first mistake, and also the reason why the punishment is roughly equivalent WRT your vehicle, sans the additional fines (although I hear John School isn't cheap, for the cities that even bother to offer it). The first point I was trying to make is that the punishment doesn't necessarily fit the crime... hopefully you got it this time around, as it's getting late, and I don't have all night for an online argument. I never suggested that people should be allowed to drive drunk -- don't know where that one came from -- but I do have a fundamental problem with the "fishing expeditions" that LE goes on with these things. You say you've seen checkpoints on the North end of town? Okay, that's your experience, but... I live in NE Clovis, and usually drive through N. Fresno, and have yet to run into one of these checkpoints -- maybe I miss them on my way home, I don't know.

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15. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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Aren't you being a BIT melodramatic there Aqua? Obviously it's not cool at all to drink and drive, but it's also a hassle to go through a checkpoint whether you are stone cold sober or not.

Again let me say one more time it's NOT cool ever to drink and drive. But I don't need some self righteous, over dramatic guy telling me that.

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19. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   Melodramatic? Not IMO. Self-righteous? I am a lot of things but self-righteous is definitely not one of them. What I am is the Godfather of a young girl whose mother was killed by a drunk driver. During the investigation it was discovered that the asswipe was notified about a DUI checkpoint. He was able to bypass the checkpoint and crashed into the mother. I see my Goddaughter all the time and I can't tell you how painful it is to hear her when she asks "why did my mommy die?"

So if it's a hassle that we occasionally might have to go through a checkpoint and in turn someone is taken off the road and another person's life is saved, that should be a hassle we all can live with.

I admit I did not used to be supportive of checkpoints, but my viewpoint changed after seeing what the alternative could be. Is it a perfect system? Not by any means. Do cops take advantage of the checkpoints? Absolutely. But I also know first hand what the positives can bring. That does not mean I support our Constitutional Rights being violated. Quite the contrary. I am a firm supporter of our rights.

I wasn't going to bring all this up and maybe I should have kept my mouth shut from the beginning, but as you can tell this is a sensitive issue for me. So excuse me for being "melodramatic" and "self-righteous".


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20. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Aug-10 AT 06:03 PM (PST)
 
I'm just curious: Do you also blame the outlet that sold the bar owner or that driver the alcohol? Do you also blame the bartender or the waitress who served the alcoholic spirits to that person, especially if the bartender or waitress could tell that person was getting drunk to the point of impairment? Do you blame them for not calling the police just before or as that person left their establishment? Do you blame the country for repealing Prohibition?

You say you support the rights afforded to all of us under the U.S. Constitution, yet you support an activity that at least in my opinion violates my right to freedom from "unreasonable" search that happens every time I go through a checkpoint. Are you sure you are a supporter of our rights, or are you taking an "a la carte" approach to our rights?

My two friends who died from HIV/AIDS (their spouses contracted HIV from prostitutes) were unknowing victims of their husbands' unknown sexual activities, but who's to blame for their deaths? If their spouses found these providers on RB or CL, would RB or CL share some of the blame?

Most of us on this site can probably name several people we've lost because of someone's irresponsible behavior, but should we blame everyone who possibly could have had some minor role no matter how minute to point zero? Or should we step back and look at a larger picture where often fate plays a role that no one can alter?

All the best,

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21. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Aug-10 AT 06:44 PM (PST)
 
When we think about irresponsible behavior, if we're not careful we can wind up blaming people down the line for literally everything bad that happens.

When one of my friends in childhood died from a gunshot wound (he found his father's gun and accidently shot himself), do we blame the father, the store that sold the father the gun, or the maker of the ammunition? Do we go back even further and blame the father's father who didn't teach him responsible gun owner habits like keeping one's guns locked?

When a loved one dies in an automobile accident, do we blame the other driver or do we blame the automobile maker for building the vehicle he drove? Or do we blame the victim for not avoiding the accident? Do we blame the victim's automobile manufacturer for not installing better airbags?

I'm not an imbiber of alcohol, but I do want it available to those who can legally drink. And, of course, I don't want people to drink and drive, but at some point we have to make individuals responsible for their irresponsible behavior and not those in the periphery: not the breweries, not the bar owners, not the bartenders or waitresses, and certainly not those who warn us about checkpoints.

When we accurately see who is the primary person responsible for his or her irresponsible actions, we can better attack problems rather than doing the "let's set up checkpoints and funnel everyone through them--we'll get those wily drunk drivers" approach which ultimately just weakens our constitutional rights--and such blanket approaches victimize everyone. As someone said earlier, he fought for our country and many have died for these rights; let's not dismiss them because of someone's irresponsible behavior that is then magnified ad infinitum simply because we don't live in a vacuum.

All the best,

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22. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   You're excused. I probably could have been a little nicer myself, and apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. But the fact is, until the cops return to the concept of checkpoints for DUI ONLY, they will not have my support.

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24. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   Many are lucky not to have lost a loved one at the hands of a drunk driver. Some us us are not so lucky.

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11. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   Good advice. I get sick and tired of all the cry babies on here bitching about what the cops are doing to them. Fuck, grow up. Don't drink and drive, don't get high and drive, don't pick up girls on the street when the cops are everywhere. Don't drive without a valid DL and Insurance. And don't ask us to feel sorry for dumb fucks who do all of the above and lose their ride.

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7. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   Its the same as all the other checkpoints, they only check you if you look suspicious making them "random"

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10. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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I will not help people who drink and drive or drive without DL-period.

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12. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   i like to avoid check points because if you have a nice car cops are haters and even if you dont have a nice car and the cop feels like being an asshole they stop you for nonsense...i have an alright working mans car and i always get pulled over for the most horrible shit...and in fact going through one of the checkpoints i got a ticket for having my rear tail lights tinted...i was completely sober yet i was forced to wait over 45 min while they checked information and pressured me to search my car(they brought a dog who sniffed the exterior of the vehicle then wrote me a ticket)...although i refused i dont have time for nonsense...nowhere in this post does this man say he condones drunk driving he is just informing you of problems that may occur while driving down certain streets...i find "checkpoint txts" extremely helpful just to avoid potential problems...and i dont drive drunk...ever

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13. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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I'm with you bobsapp. I hate to go through those checkpoints and I don't even drink booze! But I do like to cruise the strolls. Both on the streets and on cyberspace and I don't need to have the cops sticking their noses in what I do.

Brando: "I could've been a contender!"

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14. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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"Here's a better warning. Don't be a dumbfuck by drinking and driving."


I totally agree with you Aqua!!!!!

If you are drinking and driving I hope they catch you


I think the MODS should delete these DUI check point warrnings!!!!!


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16. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Aug-10 AT 04:26 PM (PST)
 
I think it goes without saying that no one wants people to drink and drive. However, I think we're missing the larger issue at hand: these checkpoints, regardless of how effective or ineffective they are, illustrate how we're slowly but surely becoming a police state.

Consider, before you might quickly disagree with a unconsidered response, what the founders of this country meant when they wrote the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights: Do you think they wanted any police force to stop all those on any public street and require them to prove that they haven't been drinking or prove that they have the required papers to pass down that or any other public street?

Supposedly we are free from any "unreasonable search" according to the Bill of Rights, yet because of various Supreme Court decisions, that right has been whittled away to the point where, with no probable cause, police departments can set up such checkpoints and question you about your drinking habits and other things (including such questions as "Where are you coming from?" or "Where are you going?"--and if you point out that such information is none of their business, don't be surprised if you're then told to pull over because "we suspect you might be under the influence of alcohol or some other controlled substance"). That's not what the founders of this country wanted when they decided to sever themselves from England and King George. America was never meant to become a police state.

Some on this site say they support checkpoints because they protect the sober against those driving drunk. In short, checkpoints are a means of increasing public safety.

Yet that same argument can me made against sites like RB, CL, Eros, etc. These sites encourage mostly men to have sex with strangers even though they might contract STDs or even HIV: These men don't ask their spouses or significant others--future spouses or significant others are at risk too--if they can take the chance of becoming infected and then possibly pass along such dangerous infections to their loved ones. Isn't that a public safety concern? And if it is, wouldn't the police be justified in "policing" such sites and their users to protect the public's safety?

I know four people who contracted either an STD or HIV from their significant others: All of the men passed along infections they acquired from others. Two of those people have since died, one is on HIV medications (and will do so for the rest of her life), and the other one is dealing with a life-long STD that increases her chances of developing cervical/uterine cancer. Now, to prevent similar infections in the future, should all men who frequent sites like RB be forced to go through some kind of cyber "checkpoint" for the public's safety? Should those who frequent such sites have their names listed on public websites to "warn" others?

Ask yourself this important question: If checkpoints promote public safety, what other kind of checkpoints should be tolerated to increase public safety? Could these checkpoints get to the point where no one has a right to privacy? And if that becomes the case, what was the point of founding this country based on certain "inalienable rights"?

For those who wish to become moderators, please ask yourself if your own personal history about the negative effects of drunken driving is coloring your overall ability to see what could be a larger implication for yourselves: Since RB is a site dedicated to "hobbying," couldn't those who help run the site be guilty of pimping? Don't some police departments charge motel owners with "running houses of prostitution" simply because they rent rooms to providers? And what about the whole issue of sex slavery?

We live in a glass house; hence, let's not throw rocks at others.

All the best,

latinopoet

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17. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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Wow Poet, like minds. Very on point. This country, which I served is no longer my country that I loved, because of diminishing state/individual rights and freedoms. Fortunately for me, the US I knew, complete transformation won't happen until I'm dust. But our children and grandchildren will not enjoy or comprehend the freedom lost that our ancestors gave all for.

Checkpoints, back on subject. Not just for DUI, I had been selected for a "random" smog check near Fig Garden area recently. I emphasize random, although the cars selected as they/we were on our way to work, were all older vehicles of similar vintage. Is that vehicle profiling? No worries mate, my car passed and I was giving a BAR coffee mug as a parting gift!

They came for our books (no one resisted), then they came for our guns (no one resisted), then they came for the Jews (no one helped, but a few), then the Christians (no one helped), then my neighbors (I didn't help), and then they came for me (no one left to come to my aid).

History repeats, repeats, repeats, and repeats itself.

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18. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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LAST EDITED ON 22-Aug-10 AT 05:15 PM (PST)
 
I hear you, fresnopan.

I'd like to think that all who fought and died for this country--and those who will fight and die in the future--did so so that we can enjoy our various rights.

Thank you for serving.

All the best,

latinopoet

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23. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   I had a professor in college you remind me of. He was always trying to provoke thought in the class but had a hard time staying on topic as you do. Its not always about the bigger picture. Sometimes its simply trying to keep people who have been drinking and foolishly decide to drive their car from killing us. Thats it. Its not a prelude to forming a police state. Its not a conspiracy to harm poor people. Its simply a tool to keep the drunks off the road. Do you know how many they catch? One weekend they caught 52. Thats 52 less chances of drunk drivers killing someone or themselves.
I wish you would get off your soap box and embrace reality for a moment. Go ahead and dream about the "big Picture" In the mean time don't be so quick to condemn things that help keep us safe. Its easy for people like you to criticize, its much harder to actually find practical solutions.

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25. "RE: Checkpoint on Blackstone Sat. Night in Fresno"
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   I hope you think before you post this again.

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