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kingtut kingtut rating
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"Who doesnt see black clients?"
 
Well I see that yet another "wont see black clients" thread has
been posted. The same scenerio as in the past, black hobbyist
states that he is well-mannered, polite, and willing to pay the
fare, but has door slammed in his face again & again due solely
to race.

And as usual, several providers step up to sympathize, letting
the RB world know that the only color they care about is green.

But the voices that remain silent are the supposed scores of providers who will not service blacks. I would truly like for
them to post here, in their own words, as to why they do not serve black clients, so that some of the speculation on this controversial issue can be resolved.

Perhaps a meaningful understanding can develop from such a discussion...lets hear from you ladies who enforce the "color barrier"...

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1. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #0
 
LAST EDITED ON 30-Aug-10 AT 11:20 PM (PST)
 
Oh my god, here we go again.
Do you guys get that friggan bored that you just have to stir the pot of crap again?
This has been covered, over and over and over....

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/DCForumID25/17043.html

Heather
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2. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #1
 
If you read my entire post, I am interested in hearing from providers who do not see blacks. Yes the topic has been
covered ad nauseum, but we never get the other side of the story. I
am hoping that thru meaningful discussion involving BOTH sides, that
some type of understanding will occurr. Your position on the subject
is already noted so no need to post on this thread anymore thank you

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3. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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   it's up to the girls

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4. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #0
 
   No disrespect to you Kingtut but this is clearly a fundamental constitutional right a provider has to see or Not see any potential john she's not comfortable with for whatever reason. Ethnicity,Age,Class,Religion or Gender. I suggest the hobbiest makes his ethnicity known and part of the appointment process before meeting to eliminate any further disappointment.

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18. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #4
 
>No disrespect to you Kingtut but this is clearly a fundamental
>constitutional right a provider has to see or Not see any
>potential john she's not comfortable with for whatever reason.

Depends on your POV. Some hobbyists (i.e. jonjuan) think that a provider exercising their constitutional rights is a violation of his own civil rights, and maybe even human rights!

I think that, rather than understanding that providers have a right to choose whom they wish to see, we should table it before the U.N. Maybe they could debate it for a few months and come up with a really strongly-worded resolution or something. Yeah....that'd show 'em!


-History never repeats itself but it often rhymes.

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5. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #0
 
Simplicity Is The Key Note To A Happy
Life.

Here is how it really is if a woman needs the money as rent, food etc she will see people and not trip, but if the woman is not in need for those two things she can pick and choose accordingly.

Just because say a provider has an ad up doesn't mean she is going to see everyone.

Men have preferances and so do women... It doesn't mean the woman is racist it just means she has preferances...

I think it's best for a hobbyist to tell the provider as much as he can about himself and not surprise her as if she is relaxed ahead of hand the more fun they will have...

Also, a donation can be posted to deter certain people but if your really niceeeeeeeee you would be surprised at certain things you might get and a lower donation offered.

Kindness goes a long way in life...

Trust me not everything is stated in ads as YMMV.

Women are in this business for all different reasons... I turned away everyone from RB last month partially due to the fact there is a lot of people doing uncovered things. If that is someone thing cool, but I prefer not to take risks.

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7. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #5
 
LAST EDITED ON 31-Aug-10 AT 02:09 AM (PST)
 
Inasmuch as I like to totally scrap this topic, it is fair for Kingtut to ask for the inputs of those “whites only” providers. And as long as the behaviors continue to cause pain to members of this community (both ways) it is irresponsible to turn our back on this topic.

All the twisted arguments made in defense of or against “whites only” providers are not but speculations.

Let’s hear from the real people. Let them say why they do not see black clients. It is only then that we can say they are not racists. In the absence of their responses, refusal to offer ANY service to ANYONE because of his/her color is discrimination/racism-live with it. If you do the crime do the time, simple as that.

Only a black clients know the pain associated with getting turned away after all the hustles because of their color, or having to ask someone-by the way do you see blacks? I have no way of knowing exactly how it feels but it quite sickening.

dj209,
Dude, hobbying is illegal and no aspect of it is protected by the constitution or any law. It is like saying crack dealers have constitutional rights to sell to black clients or not to sell to them. You see why hobbyist hardly call teh cop when they get ROB by providers and why providers get tricked.

Kingtut, I agree. Provider please helps us understand why you do not see black clients. I mean you do tell your clients that you do "not date black" but after the facts.

Don't you think it is more humane to save them the time they waste to even call you?

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15. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #7
 
   Claude, you took what I said and put a spin on it, then reconfigured my comments to your own perils! I realize what I said represents a complexity that is beyond your ability to comprehend. You don't know what race I am. Like I said,"Providers as well as Johns" have a Constitutional right to see who ever they want to see for whatever reason they see Fits!

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16. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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   I second that! Why not stop the B.S and see the providers that will see us! Damn, they have the right to see whom they want.

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6. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #0
 
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is interesting --

If the references check out as -ok,

no matter the color of one's skin......

The color of money is green..

(If you are looking to set an appt. without any references- don't complain here)! Get established and make a good name for yourself!

xoxo Vanity ~P


Somethin' like this - is not tolerated!
ty HD1


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8. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #6
 
LAST EDITED ON 31-Aug-10 AT 02:49 AM (PST)
 
>Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>That is interesting --
>
>If the references check out as -ok, Don't rely totally on references as that is like trusting someone with your life, be very careful.xoxo
>
>no matter the color of one's skin......
>
>The color of money is green.. Remember not all money is good money. Some people think because they have money, that automatically means they get service. You have the right to refuse service. Stay safe motherly advice. Off to bed cute way pass my bed time. I would be here all night typing if it wasn't for my Ambien. Night night
>
>(If you are looking to set an appt. without any references-
>don't complain here)! Get established and make a good name
>for yourself!
>
>
>
>xoxo Vanity ~P
>
>
>Something' like this - is not tolerated!
>ty HD1
>
>
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Simplicity Is The Key Note To A Happy
Life.

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9. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
In response to message #8
 
   I just posted a poll on Pinkbook on this subject after reading this thread. I hope it will provide an accurate assesment of the situation.

Here's the link: Note- only ladies can participate in this-

http://www.mypinkbook.com/cgi-bin/dcforum2/dcboard.pl


Since this isn't an issue for me, personally, I may not have been the best person to create such a poll (my options may be just stupid. I don't know ) but I hope this helps shed some light on the subject.


xoxox
MB

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10. "Better Link to Poll"
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Sometimes the pasted link doesn't work. This is the link you were looking for.

http://www.mypinkbook.com/dcforum2/gtalk/7203.html


Too much sex is still not enough

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11. "RE: Better Link to Poll"
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Great idea by 805MB...and by posting the poll in pinkbook it ensures
that only ladies can vote! I encourage all providers who ban blacks to participate over there...(Highstepper's link is correct)

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12. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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   This is a stupid idea. Next we will have a poll for hobbyist who won't see black providers, then one for hobbyist who don't like BBW. I'm not sure providers who refuse to see Black men are overly proud of it. And to expect them to raise their hands here is ignorant. There are plenty of ladies who will see anyone. Maybe you should ask them to stand up.

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13. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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>I'm not sure providers who refuse to see Black men are overly proud of it. And to expect them to raise their hands here is ignorant.

I dont know if it was "ignorant" of me but I sure like the anonymous
poll idea better. Secondly, many ladies have alternate handles on
pinkbook so they can "raise their hands" more freely over there.

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14. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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I really don't think you'll get the answer you need!! I've been a member for a bit!!Been with alot of providers!!90% of these girls are going to tell you what you want to hear!!! To most of the girls out there they are looking for the mighty$$$$!!! When you go to the 5 star girls they seem to be a little more honest!Its only because they have been around for awhile and already have enough regulars to keep them happy!!! So, I recommend 5 star Girls to get the answer you need!!!

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17. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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   Here's my input. I don't care why you don't want to see a black hobbyist,it's your right to do business with whomever you want. But as a black hobbyist who doesn't "read" as black on the phone (I.e. Most people assume I'm white until they meet me), I would hate to show up for an appointment that I went out of my way for to then be turned away at the door. So if this is a make or break for someone, I would appreciate a heads up in the ad or when I'm making the appointment.

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19. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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   How about we quit flagelating ourselves and use our brains a bit. If you feel that your color might be an issue and you DON'T bring it up, then you are contributing to the problem you are whining about. To some providers, color is a non-issue. You should see those providers. Let's be brutally honest here. There are even black or mixed providers that refuse to see black clients. I know there have been several black clients here who say that though they act impeccably, they are treated poorly. Well, folks, we certainly aren't going to solve the racial divide here and I think it is entirely misguided of us to think that we can.
Providers who have no color issues will continue to see blacks as they should. Providers who have not voiced an opinion and who are surprised when blacks show up will continue to not answer the door. I'm sure the gentlemen who arrive have gone to great lengths to speak proper English rather than ghetto which would obviously expose them. This may be totally natural to them to be well spoken. Few people believe that I am hispanic, (no discernible accent and actually have a good command of the Engblish language. Spelling was a very good subject for me.) The point is, that by their command of the English language, they would have to offer the fact that they are black as it would not be discernible. In the event that they don't, it will truly be a surprise to the provider, will it not?
I have had poor experiences with, say Brooklyn for example. She never gave me reason and I refuse to waste my time to figure out if it was racial or not. I will simply spend my money on ladies who make the expenditure worth while.
So, what do we say about black providers who won't see black men? Are they self loathers? It would be too easy to say. Perhaps, more believable, they have been taken advantage of by black men to not want to have anything to do with them. That also, is only a guess. I guess the counter argument could bed proven by the many white/hispanic providers who have chosen to have children by black men. It is laughable then that then these same women would charge non blacks good money to service them sexually, is it not?
As you see, the topic is literally littered with humor. In my opinion, if you keep encountering the provider issue, then you should simply ask the question, " are you OK seeing black men?" Few providers will cross that bridge to the negative because they simply don't see themselves as racists. And, I agree, the fact that they don't see blacks does not make them racists. I have spoken to a few providers who complain about Arabic clients. Their complaints are usually about the Arab men wanting more for their agreed upon price, uncovered service or extended times beyond what they payed for. I honestly stopped seeing a provider who would drive from Fresno to Chowchilla for $80 to see an Arab man she didn't even like. I did the math and though she stated that she like me, (went to dinner one night and movie another) she was charging me $200/hr. I asked her, "You are willing to go to Chowchilla for less and won't give me a price break??? I stopped seeing her when she began what I call "lip kissing." In case you're wondering, she was half black and half white, though she looked white.
So, let's put this topic to rest. In my estimation, a provider is not racist if she refuses to see a certain race. There could be valid considerations why she does this. If race has become an issue involving you, then it is incumbent upon YOU that you ask the right questions to avoid showing up to a locked door or the frantic answer of a provider who suddenly realized you are black. Furthermore, why worry about one provider who won't see you when there are SO many who will??? It appears this is much ado about nothing. I have had poor treatment at the door, B&S, ROBS, just yessterday, I went lowball with a chick who assured the pics were accurate. Nothing could have been further from the truth. The girl in the pics was well dressed, groomed. The girl who answered the door was Ghetto white trash. I'll lick my wounds and move on. Thank god it was CHEAP!!!!

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20. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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   We see who we want, so why is it a problem if they do the same

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21. "RE: Who doesnt see black clients?"
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   nicely said average joe...i respect anyone and everyones right to think and do what they want...that being said if the girl doesn't enjoy setting appointments with black, arab, french, men then so be it...if a provider doesn't enjoy the session then the experience will differ tremendously...i personally rather a girl tell me i dont see mexican men before i go over and waste my time for her not to answer the door (luckily this hasn't happened yet)...people feel the way they feel and people must respect that and move on because we ALL have preferences... i dont believe it to be racism

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22. "It's because of their pimps."
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   Simple as that.

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23. "It's BS..Times change..people don't"
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This BS will continue for time and eternity ...

We will revisit it forever...over and over again.

Times change...people don't. Ignorance knows no bounds ....

These providers have a right to see whom ever they please. Period.

These same providers OWE us the courtesy of stating their preferences in advance (in their ad..or screening process..whatever)

Failure to do so is plain DISRESPECT and not to be tolerated (MHO..)

Any provider showing such disrespect should be outed and boycotted(again..MHO..) The only thing they understand is to hit them in the pocket book.

C ya same time..same station ..next week when we do this AGAIN!

justmeinvisalia
aka DOM
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24. "RE: It's BS..Times change..people don't"
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Kingtut,

As ramfan, said earlier, no one is going to come forward to be chastised because they choose not to see blacks, even on pinkbook. It is a providers preference, whatever the reason.

I am Asian and if I started going to appointments only to have a lot of providers say, "Sorry, I don't see Asians," I would start asking providers if they had a problem with nationality before I actually went to the appointment. To all the black hobbyist out there; I know this is a hassle, but unless you want to continue to get turned away at the door, maybe you should make that a practice.

I know I don't see it 1/2 as much as you, but at times, when I'm on a date with a white girl, I will get the occasional disapproving look from a white couple. Prejudice runs deep, but I do believe society as a whole is getting better.

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25. "RE: It's BS..Times change..people don't"
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   Let's be clear about something. I haven't had the experience of being turned away from an appointment for any reason. My question was more along the lines of "if it's an issue, i would rather the provider was upfront about it rather than my wasting time only to be turned away".

And while you make good points averagejoe, it really doesn't take any effort at all for me to speak proper English. I've been speaking it for almost forty years.

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