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kingtut kingtut rating
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"Pinkbook poll on black clients"
 
Ladies, dont forget to vote in the pinkbook poll on black clients!
(Anyone can view poll results but only hearts can vote)

http://www.mypinkbook.com/dcforum2/gtalk/7203.html

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1. "RE: Pinkbook poll on black clients"
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The sad part of this is...They have already voted.

By simple ignoring it..they voted.

It's an extremely personal issue and they prefer not to address it.

I don't know that you can call that in itself racist..but we know some will.

justmeinvisalia
aka DOM
DirtyOMan

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2. "RE: Pinkbook poll on black clients"
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   Its kind of funny in a sick way. We are all participating in illegal activity and some want to point the finger at the few that discriminate against Blacks. I guess you have to be careful who you break the law with? To me this is a poor platform to fight for race equality. My advice is too quit crying and move on. Lots of fish in the Red sea.

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3. "RE: Pinkbook poll on black clients"
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   Let me ask this... some providers have clearly stated that it is solely based on their preferences. Do you think you will get an accurate poll as those providers will not even take the time to vote?
If I prefer not to spend my money on, say, Asian girls, does that make me a racist? Are you going to force me to see Asian, if not then I am a racist? Think about it. Personal preference trumps EVERYTHING!!!

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18. "RE: Pinkbook poll on black clients"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Sep-10 AT 05:28 AM (PST)
 
SOUNDS LIKE A RACIAL THING TO ME .


PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN PREFERENCES. SOME LIKE ASIANS, SOME LIKE BIG BOOTIES, SOME LIKE BIG HOOTERS, SOME DO LIKE MILFS...wink*

HOBBYISTS CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT TO SET AN APPT. WITH BECUSE THEY ARE SPENDING THE MONEY.

PROVIDERS HAVE A CHOICE AS WELL.

PERSONALLY,
MY FAVORITE COLOR IS GREEN.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF THEIR REFERENCES CHECK OUT- THAT'S WHAT I GO BY.


DROP THE RACIST BULLSHI(.
PEOPLE LIKE
Y O U
ARE KEEPING IT GOING.
LEAVE IT ALONE.

IMHO of course.


xoxo Vanity ~P

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4. "RE: Pinkbook poll on black clients"
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   Do we really wonder why these providers dont put that in their ad! As much as this shit is talked about they would be punished for what they choose.

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5. "RE: Pinkbook poll on black clients"
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This is a non-issue. We are still in the USA where freedom of choice still has some meaning. Providers can exercise their freedom of choice to only see certain races and not others. As a hobbyist, I also have the freedom of choice to choose which provider I am going to see. Cuts both ways and we should all respect and be grateful that we still have a choice.

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6. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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   Hi everyone,
Without having high expectations, I started the poll over there as a spin-off of sorts to kingtut's post asking the essentially the same thing in this forum and both threads/poll were established after sexyjonz started the 1st thread(which quickly filled up and locked) with this post:

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"Somewhat Frustrating..."

I have been on Red Book for more than 2 years or so and I have had the pleasure of spending time with some very popular, four and five-star providers. Unfortunately, as of late, I have made appointments with a few providers that have not answered the door when I showed up. Also, when speaking to them on the phone I have made appointments only to have them refuse to provide me services because I am black.
I will not mention who they are and do not really fault them for their preference in providing services to certain ethnic classes. However, the problem I have is each time we have enjoyed a pleasant conversation. When I ask the question, "Do you provide services to men of color?" They majority of them answer no and it appears to be an epidemic in the Central Valley, specifically Fresno.

I am wondering what is going on? Has there been a rash of bad experiences with black men? I am highly-educated, very well-spoken, well-dressed, etc. This is not a rant, but would really like to hear from providers regarding the phenomenon. Thanks."
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The subsequent thread and poll were merely started to give ample opportunity for anyone who wished to reply and with a desire to put the subject to rest.

Since this has been pretty much beaten into the ground, I hope that it will at least bring awareness to those ladies who choose not to see black clients that they need to state that in their ads.

I think most of us will agree that the best encounters with a member of the opposite sex are when both parties are comfortable and relaxed being with each other in such an intimate setting. If they are- they are. If they aren't, they aren't.

xoxo
MB



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7. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 06:43 PM (PST)
 
Their failure to proudly admit is a clear endorsement of the fact their behaviors is wrong and sick-therefore I care less about the poll. If it is OK then why are they taking cover? That is why I respect my.... brothers. They proudly wear their uniform and are proud of their hatred for jews, black, etc.

Look there is no shortage of civilians, hookers; you name it for blacks to mess around with. I am not sure any of the black hobbyists are looking to win some idiots’ hearts either.

It is true that many of do tell girls not to see blacks and threaten to stop seeing them if they do- because you are as ignorant and hateful as they are.

But what is disturbing is saying I cannot see you because you are black or white, especially after they have wasted their time.
It reminds those who legitimately graduated from at least high school or know something about the history of such behaviors of those days when we had signs at restrooms and restaurants, public places saying “white only”.

To equate discrimination against any ‘blacks’ because of his or skin color with someone not wanting to see Asian, whites or Latino is a pure testimony of ignorant.

When was the last time someone got turned away because they are white, Latino or Asian? It happened to you, you did not complain on this board. But that has been the case thought out the history of this country and South Africa-intentionally causing harm and pain to black on the basis of their color.

Yes people have rights, but why will A . member want to become a hooker or escort? How do you tell if someone is 50%, 60%, 90%, and 100%, black or white?

In any case this country sure has too many sick and ignorant people that certainly do not belong to any civilized community. But again that is what makes us special. Even the worst of the worst are entitled to a space where they can display their stupidity.

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8. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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   >That is why I respect my.... brothers. They proudly wear
>their uniform and are proud of their hatred for jews, black,
>etc.
Who are these brothers you respect? Dude, were you high when you wrote this rant?

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9. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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Ya that caught my eye too ramfam...I wonder if he meant "Aryan Brothers"?

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10. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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Well the poll was a good effort MB805...but still only 10 hearts have voted, and judging from the rants of multiple black hobbyists here, there's tenfold that # in the CV that wont date them due solely to color. (In fact 4 of the 10 voted for the "none of your business" option, so really only 6 gave any reason at all).

Guess we'll have to just attribute it to "personal preference", as
has been stated here by a few. Aint nothin else to it, I spoz.

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11. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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I mean all to all those who publicly identify themselves as racial groups, white, black or green. Yes I hate what they do but they are still brothers. Remember the whole point here is that human are human no matter what they do, or look like. So you fill in the blank

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12. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 09:40 PM (PST)
 
Or is this what you REALLY meant claude?

http://www.proudaryanbrothers.webs.com/

>They proudly wear their uniform and are proud of their hatred for jews, black, etc.

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13. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 10:09 PM (PST)
 
That works, King.
Hey, this is a free country.

But if one chooses to be an idiot at least he or she must publicly let people know. That way potential victims could easily get out of that person’s way but do not hid behind a web page as some of our ladies do.
I am sure no black dude will bother to call a provider with hood on, but at the same time a lot of brothers here will participate. It may not be right but it produces less victims.

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14. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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   I am actually sick and tired of providers being called names such as stupid, ignorant, racist simply because they don't prefer to see a certain race. Should we hogtie them and force them to have sex with certain races? Do you realize how stupid this argument is? You know a true poll is impossible because to those who see this as a preference issue, these ladies will simply choose to not involve themselves in a poll. Good luck guys, castigating these young ladies. I for one would prefer that a lady stated ahead of time that she didn't wish to see me than take my money then withhold say, DFK or DATY after she had my money. It would be stupid for me to feel any other way. Carry on and I sure hope this poll or argument satisfies your train wreck curiosity.

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15. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 10:59 PM (PST)
 
Joe, you are missing the point of this thread as well as the poll.
I'm simply attempting to bring some understanding to the board
as to why, in this age of equality, many providers still refuse to see blacks. If not for numerous black hobbyists ranting about
discrimination, I wouldn't bring it up, but its a subject that keeps
rearing its ugly head both here & in the Hobbyist Forum, so I want to try to "clear the air" somewhat. Unfortunately, my attempts to do so have failed cause the majority of providers who choose to ban blacks have remained silent as to why they go this route.

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17. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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"...racist simply because they don't prefer to see a certain race. Should we hogtie them and force them to have sex with certain races? Do you realize how stupid this argument is?"

No, but they should not be worshipped for humiliating blacks and wasting their time either, among other thing.

Do you realize how inhumane that behavior is?


No more from me on this, but I do so with the understanding that:

People who maltreat any person on the basis of the color of skin are racists. Whether they do so in the name of the constitution, the bible or their grandparent or not they are racists and ignorant.

Many are OK with the notion that easiest way for any idiot to create black-victims is by creating a profile on RB with a phone number, a picture and then go to work playing the deviant game on one black after another. If a provider can tell at least 10 blacks in a month that because of their color they worth nothing that is good for many. What a good way to relive the old days?

Racism is a terminal disease for many folks

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16. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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LAST EDITED ON 02-Sep-10 AT 00:19 AM (PST)
 
I'm sure you knew this would be a touchy subject. Maybe you could have tried to be a little more objective and little less sarcastic in the options..

I've had a bad experience with a black client but never with a white client.

I've had a bad experience with a white client but never a black client.

I've had bad experiences with both races of clients.

Something along those lines.

Yes we all know there are young pimps out there many of whom are black that think they can use RB as a recruiting tool.

On the other hand, some of the best guys I know on RB are black, and most of the biggest assholes I know are white.


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19. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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Tut,

"I wouldn't bring it up, but its a subject that keeps
rearing its ugly head both here & in the Hobbyist Forum, so I want to try to "clear the air" somewhat. Unfortunately, my attempts to do so have failed cause the majority of providers who choose to ban blacks have remained silent as to why they go this route."

Yes, only 7 voted. I think most think, it's none of your dam business. It's their business and they can choose to run it how they want to. If it decreases their profits, then so be it. I do wish they'd put it in their ads though, and stop wasting hobbyists valuable time. Just like their time; our time is valuable too. It cuts both ways.


And we all dam know, this subject will be brought up again and again as new hobbyist enter the fold. There are many subjects like GFE, that we have to endure listening to over and over again. If you aren't liking what you're getting find an ATF and see her the majority of the time. Anytime you see someone new it's a crap shoot, even if she has reviews, because everybody has different preferences and experiences. No two are alike. Get use to it! Life is full of DISAPPOINTMENT!

I my be blind, but even I can see that.

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20. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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   any are OK with the notion that easiest way for any idiot to create black-victims is by creating a profile on RB with a phone number, a picture and then go to work playing the deviant game on one black after another. If a provider can tell at least 10 blacks in a month that because of their color they worth nothing that is good for many. What a good way to relive the old days?

Racism is a terminal disease for many folks


PUHLEEZE, Spare me. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If a provider CHOOSES to see or not see a particular race, it is HER prerogative. Deal with it. I am not missing the point here. I have told all who will listen that I am neither black or white so I am a caasual observer of this racial divide. I am hispanic and I have been the recipient of less than good service on several occasions. I have stated my observances faulting both providers and clients who do not state it all up front. Chicks will refuse to see any one they don't wish to say and I say again, it is entirely their prerogative. If Claude wishes to crucify them, he will do so without any help from me. Again, I am not missing any points here. Personal preference or prerogative trumps everything. You don't have to like it.

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21. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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   Hey Notyoavgjoe, I'm African American maybe one day we can sit down after work and have a cordial beverage discussion on the subject.

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22. "RE: Pinkbook poll -CLARIFICATION"
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   Hey spankjuice,
I would not be adverse to that. Good friends are hard to find and currently, I have no African American friends. In my karate days, my best friend was black. Doug Sanders. Worked for the phone company. The party didn't start until Doug and I showed up. We had a blast. He now lives in L.A. and I do not see him very often. Hard to say why we lost contact. One of the reasons is he went into substance abuse and I stayed away, afraid to tinker beyond pot and a little bit of cocaine. I was always afraid to go deeper and eventually quit pot and coke. To be honest, this subject is not a hill to die on for me. I have stated my feelings on the matter. Not drinking these days due to a medical condition but I leave the house often to listen to live music, have an iced tea or a coke.

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