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sportwagon
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28-Aug-10, 04:12 PM (PST)
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"When is a Flake not a Flake?"
 
   I was cruising through some reviews instead of doing the work I should be doing, when one in particular caught my attention.

The guy was pissed off that the gal flaked on him, but as I read the review he stated that she called 90 minutes before to cancel.

I'm sure we've all been there, you've been planing this for a while, you've got the time and everything is all arranged.... then the call comes..... are we angry or disappointed or what?

I think the review was kind of unfair as she called and canceled. It wasn't like he was standing on the corner waiting for her to answer the phone. In 2 pages of reviews this was her only bad one.

a disclaimer... I've never met the gal in question..... (but after reading her reviews I might)

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Derf Derf rating
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28-Aug-10, 05:01 PM (PST)
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1. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
In response to message #0
 
I politly thank the lady for calling, shit happens, I have had to cancel when something comes up at work. she called don't be so sinsative.

Derf
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SolarBear SolarBear rating
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28-Aug-10, 05:54 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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If she called and cancelled 90 minutes prior, I certainly would not consider that flaking. Sometimes things come up that disrupt our best plans. He should move on, make other plans and get over it.

<SolarBear>

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summerrayne summerrayne rating
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28-Aug-10, 08:56 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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LAST EDITED ON 28-Aug-10 AT 08:58 PM (PST)
 

Her kid's school wanted her to pick up her child early...

Her period started a day early...

Her mother showed up at her house unexpectedly and the sexy vixen (now jerked back into the role of "daughter") had to sneak into her own bathroom to text her gentleman back in regards to the sudden cancellation.

Her grandparents were in the neighborhood and wanted to stop by to take her lunch!

Ad infinitum...

Anything could have happened.

The fact that she contacted him 90 mins prior to their scheduled session is not technically "flaking" at all.

Everyone has an RL outside of this place.

However, in the interest of professionalism, she should have offered him a free session (especially if he didn't live nearby and was already on his way) or at least offered a discounted session in order to compensate the gentleman for any inconvenience she may have caused.

If she conducted herself in the above manner and the fella still wasn't satisfied, I would alert the ad and have it removed
(if possible).

Leaving a girl a "flake report" in this particular instance is not fair, IMO.

It's always Summer at my place! xoxo

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billydetroit billydetroit rating
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29-Aug-10, 08:04 AM (PST)
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4. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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>>I would alert the ad


I THINK you meant to say "I would alert the REVIEW"..?
And yes, I always make sure to make it up to my fbsm pals when I am late or any other thing that may come up. I think it is good business, and good business gets you the good guys! And the GOOD guys are effing GREAT! xo bd

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summerrayne summerrayne rating
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29-Aug-10, 09:47 AM (PST)
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6. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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YES, BD; I meant "review!"

And you're right. Good business practices are what attract the good guys to good providers!

It's always Summer at my place! xoxo

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RebeccaSage RebeccaSage rating
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29-Aug-10, 01:59 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
In response to message #3
 
I agree here pretty much with what everyone else has said... with the exception of:

>> If she conducted herself in the above manner and the fella still wasn't satisfied, I would alert the ad and have it removed
(if possible) <<

It seems the review (it's clear you meant review here Summer) laid out what actually occurred so that anyone with any sense at all can determine for themselves that she did NOT actually flake & that his low ratings were uncalled for. But a low rating because he's more pissed off at being canceled on & then reacted more negatively than another guy would have (in this case I think than MOST other guys) is NOT a reason to "alert" & remove a review.

See, this pisses me off. I think the ONLY time it's appropriate to alert & remove a review is when there are obvious lies & malicious intent, or personal info revealed. Period.

Low ratings? That's life, we will get some. Some guy reacts more strongly to being canceled on than most men would, but he still relates the facts correctly? So what?! I mean, it sucks for a little while, but if he tells the truth & then dings her for it more heavily than anyone else would have? That's his prerogative!! It's his opinion. Period. And that is what a review is SUPPOSED to be! His opinion. However silly, however anyone may disagree with his response, if he related the facts truthfully, his reaction to them should get to stand. It is his review, his reaction, his honest response to the situation.

I think in-boxing him & apologizing & saying she didn't realize how much that affected him, to the point that he would then rate her so low because of it...blah blah blah.... would be one way to handle it. But having the review removed? That's combating one childish action with another. And another action of **equal immaturity**, I'd add.

It is this very practice of thinking any low-rated review that seems "unfair" (even if it IS unfair) is OK to have removed that fuels the anger & suspicion among clients & posters here about their reviews getting removed. It also tends to make all providers look bad by putting us all in the same "I'm so sensitive I can't take any negative criticism at all for any reason" pile.

And *that* pisses me off!

But I think that last part is pretty obvious isn't it?

RS

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oralio oralio rating
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29-Aug-10, 03:04 PM (PST)
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8. "a better idea"
In response to message #7
 
Generally agree.

Which gives me an idea -

Instead of removing allegedly false reviews, let ALL reviews stand, and allow a little section with a choice of categories where the provider can tag the review with her disagreement.

This would just be a brief tag, not a counter review or rant. That way, the reader gets the idea the provider protests the review, but the review still exists, so the reader can make up his own mind. It's win-win.

This whole phenomenon of providers getting reviews removed because they claim they're fraudulent and the provider has some influence -- PURE BULLSHIT.

Threads about useless reviews seem to be on RB every week. Something needs to be done to reverse the increasing trend that reviews appear to be corrupted and useless.

Be the change
you wish to see

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summerrayne summerrayne rating
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31-Aug-10, 04:37 PM (PST)
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14. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
In response to message #7
 
I can't speak from my own experience.

The only reviews I ever had removed were two, crazy-fake reviews posted by one-handled haters.

Those reviews said my home was a wreck, I looked like a hag, kicked the (fake handle) out after 20 minutes, was wasted on drugs/alcohol and chain-smoked the whole time, etc.

Basically describing the antithesis of "The Summer Experience."

I was alerted by friends here and had the erroneous reviews alerted/deleted before they were posted for public view.

But those were anamolous instances.

Overall, I've always seen reviews as a helpful tool for both providers and hobbyists alike.

For providers, most noteably, reviews highlight what we can improve upon and give us insight into what our friends truly enjoy about us.

I'm totally ok with constructive criticism.

IMHO, I believe this particular review in regards to this particular provider is unfair.

You're right though, everyone can read the review - see for themselves - and see it clearly for what it really is.

It's always Summer at my place! xoxo

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GalLover GalLover rating
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29-Aug-10, 08:40 AM (PST)
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5. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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To me, flaking is just not showing up at all. Calling to cancel is not flaking in any way. Providers have outside lives too, and like Summerrayne pointed out, any number of situations can arise. If something comes up in one of the guys lives that would jeopardize his normal existence if he went to the session, he would certainly cancel and, if he is not a flake, he will call to let her know.

At least he admitted in the review that she did call. Most people will know that that does not constitute flaking, and ignore the bad review.

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Duwop Duwop rating
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29-Aug-10, 04:21 PM (PST)
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9. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
In response to message #0
 
LAST EDITED ON 29-Aug-10 AT 04:24 PM (PST)
 

>I think the review was kind of unfair as she called and
>canceled.


And the reviewer told you that too. How's that unfair?

>waiting for her to answer the phone. In 2 pages of reviews
>this was her only bad one.


Exactly. He reported a issue, if more of these are reported it's a bit of a red flag. By itself, it's nothing.

Couldn't you figure out this stuff by yourself?

And saying a gal's "flaked" means "flaked on the appointment". It does not designate her as one. Unless flaking is habitual with a gal that is.

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blucas
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29-Aug-10, 11:13 PM (PST)
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10. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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   No, not a flake. If he wants to mention it in a future review after he actually sees her, that's fine. But to give her a zero on looks, and 5 on service when he has never seen her makes no sense at all. 90 minutes warning is a disappointment and a minor irritant, but pretty reasonable when you consider all the possible things that could have come up.

And yes, you should definitely see her....

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desirelayla
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29-Aug-10, 11:35 PM (PST)
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11. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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   This sounds like an unfair review. The only way it could be fair is if it said in the non-vip blurb/byline that we can all see that she canceled with 90 minutes of notice. Otherwise most casual viewers are going to think she's a flake and move on, and that's not really justified. :(

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nicoleloveslife
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31-Aug-10, 02:42 PM (PST)
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13. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
In response to message #11
 
We just all have to remember at the end of the day we are human and we do our best.

kisses


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lovely_lucille lovely_lucille rating
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30-Aug-10, 01:39 PM (PST)
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12. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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   I've had two sessions scheduled today and both were canceled. It's rare, but stuff happens and people gotta cancel. I'm usually totally fine with cancelations and just go about my day differently, such as now that I'm meeting anyone, I think I'll go outside and enjoy the sunshine. toodles!

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Hotrod Hotrod rating
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31-Aug-10, 05:46 PM (PST)
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15. "RE: When is a Flake not a Flake?"
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   Lucille,
I was about to mention the same thing. I assume this hobbyist has no life and has never had to cancel!!!
A notification of 90 minutes is not a flake - just an inconvenience. Normally, I go to plan B and call someone else. If I'm lucky, having done my reference work in advance, I will be able to work a backup plan.

Anything worth pursuing takes work. I tried many times to schedule with Adrian916, but somehow either she or I had to cancel. It is harder when you schedule somewhat in advance. Like Summer said - there are dozens of reasons that either of us can have our schedules interrupted.
Needless to say, we finally hooked up and it ranks up there with some of my top encounters.

Hotrod

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