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MozelleB
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"For Sensual Film Lovers"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 29-Aug-10 AT 05:02 PM (PST)
 
Thanks to netflix I've just enjoyed watching "The Lover". It's a french film but all in English so if you don't like subtitles- no worries here. If you're into artistic sensuality- this film is a 10. I am 100% straight but by G-d I believe I've got a girl crush on Jane March. Breathtaking. Right up there with Audrey Tatou.

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1. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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I second that. But only up to the audrey tatou part.

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2. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   lol- ok ok- Audrey tatou is our modern day Audrey Hepburn. She is a timeless classic and totally natural beauty. But they've got the same body type; that lithe feminine frame. I assume you've seen the film 'The Lover' then?

A film that is great just for the pleasure of admiring Audrey tatou's beauty is "Priceless". Loved it- may be too girly for you though.

My favorite Bollywood film of the moment is "Delhi 6". A beautiful Punjabi girl is in that as well for those who admire the very beautiful. That aside the storyline and overall delivery is VERY entertaining. I'm a film dork. lol

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3. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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I first saw THE LOVER when it came out on VHS, if that carbon-dates it properly for you.

Tautou lacks sensual heat, IMO.

Did you see her in DIRTY PRETTY THINGS? Great 2002 british indie with Chiwetel Ejiofor.

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5. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   I have seen that. I have seen all of Audrey Tatou's films... or at least very many of them. Love netflix! I enjoyed her in "He Loves Me Not". She makes a way sexier stalker than Glenn Close imho.

I misread your intent with the comparison between Jane March and Audrey but I think I do agree with you on the sensuality factor. Jane March channels the same energy as teenage/early adult Brooke Shields as well as Karina Lombard. Love them both among a few others.

See the Spanish actress in "Son De Mar"- similar sensual energy to Jane March. My favorite Karina Lombard film is "Wide Sargasso Sea"- heavy but very tasteful and artistic eroticism. You will enjoy I believe.

... And yes the chemistry between the two actors in "The Lover" is off the charts.

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7. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-Aug-10 AT 11:49 PM (PST)
 
+1 on Audrey Tautou. My favorites of hers to date (haven't seen everything) are Happenstance and A Very Long Engagement besides Amelie (of course). Didn't really find Jane March memorable .

Have you seen "Love Me If You Dare"?

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9. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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"Love Me If You Dare" is my all time favorite French movie and favorite love story. You need to be a little twisted to truly enjoy the end of that movie.

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10. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   LAST EDITED ON 30-Aug-10 AT 11:51 AM (PST)
 
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Happenstance! A very long engagement felt.. well, long. lol. But I really do need to watch it again. I liked her a great deal in Coco Before Chanel. Quite coincidentally I just recently watched Love Me If You Dare and I adore that movie. So cute in the beginning. Perhaps you can help me with one thing I am confused about. When the two were locked in a block of cement together in the end- was that shared fantasy? Or did they really get to grow old together in the nursing home? I hope the latter!

A FUNNY french film is "The Dinner Game". Had me in tears and I could watch over and over again. Do give it a shot if you're up for a laugh.

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12. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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Other people have asked me the same thing about whether or not they end up frozen in an embrace encased in cement or if they actually grow old together. I personally took it as a metaphor, that either ending was ultimately the same ending for them.
It could be seen that the biggest dare of all is to drowned together in cement and that in death they can safely dream the rest of their lives. This is perhaps the only way they could be together. Or it could be seen as the ultimate dare is to spend the rest of their lives together and grow old. I have been told getting married is very similar to being encased in cement with someone else,lol.

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13. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   lol. I guess we should be careful who we jump into cement with.... Ambiguous endings are very hard for me to accept.... Perhaps it is a metaphor for love's vulnerability to life. the only way not to feel locked in a cement block with the person you love is to cut it short while it is sweetest. Ah Mora, you've just led me to recognize a romantic tragedy! I mistook it for a quirky romantic comedy. Shoot.

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14. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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I love films with ambiguous endings. I get annoyed with the perfect little Hollywood bow at the end of so many mainstream movies. Maybe it's cause I majored in theatre. Maybe it's cause I took some film classes. Maybe it's cause I like to mull over films and come to my own conclusions...

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15. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   The freedom to draw your own conclusions is a good thing to take away from ambiguity. I was a theater major too. lol. I agree Hollywood idealism leaves much to be desired... which is part of what I like about foreign cinema. They often capture subtle elements of beauty; whether dark or light, that even the most common among us is familiar with. Its not idealism that I prefer- but closure. You are lucky to be satisfied by the conclusions of your imagination. Mine tends to run in a million different directions. lol. Perhaps I overanalyze things.

Someone mentioned Juliette Binoche on here. I believe she was in another french film I recently enjoyed- "The Widow of St. Pierre." Mora- I believe you'd appreciate the complexity of the characters and the way the story blurs light and dark. If you like the Ballad Of Reading Gaol; you'll love this film. To forgive the unforgivable and recognize the darkness in those who cannot. Very well done.

Slow day at studio today. lol. Have a good one!

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17. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   As far as a relationship ending, the most brilliant is in a french movie, of course, the hairdresser's husband.

No more said, rent it (it is unfortunate you could not see it on film).,

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21. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   Loving netflix. Will do. Thanks!

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23. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   hmm... Hairdresser's Husband... unforgettable... esp getting drunk with perfume ...

Patrice Leconte's films always interesting ... also Intimate Strangers

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4. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   The sex scene between Tony Leung and Jane March looked very real in The Lover. Pretty good jack off material.

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6. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   Agreed.... on the chemistry that is. :-P

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8. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   Ms Tatou only looks up to the Sensual High Priestess Juliette Binoche.

Check out The Unbearable Lightness of Being, a complicated, yet international hit

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11. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   LAST EDITED ON 30-Aug-10 AT 11:50 AM (PST)
 
Juliette Binoche shares the classic elegant beauty of Hepburn, Tatou, and Meryl Streep who I also find very stunning. Theirs is the beauty that is quiet and overlooked, slowly creeping upon you and unrelenting once it has taken hold. (((SIGH))))

Still, I've never seen Binoche in a role that brazenly exposed her sensuality. Does she play such a role in this movie? Or are you reading into all the things she leaves to your imagination? A rare treasure is the man willing to dig a little for his diamonds. I will check out this movie for sure. Thank you for the referral!

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16. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   This prompted me to do some googling and apparently she was topless in Unbearable Lightness of Being. I also seem to recall she was topless in one of the Kieslowski Tri-coleur series.

As for stuff outside of film, she was in French Playboy in 2007. Photo style not like in the U.S., but I'm guessing nude all the same.

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18. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   Chemistry - the one scene between Streep and DeNiro in the Deer Hunter. You tend to forget how beautiful they both were.

Tatou, Binoche and even Hepburn (BTW - Dutch) are stunningly beautiful........

They are not Bellucci, Sophie Marceu, Fanny Ardant.......... when it comes to sex appeal, but maybe not as good as actors.

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22. "RE: For Sensual Film Lovers"
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   There are no other women alive in Hollywood imho that hold a candle to Streep in her total beauty. Hers is solid from within and subtle without. She is one of a kind. Beyond that - sex appeal and beauty sure do abound. This is a visually stunning world we live in for sure. I'll add Deer Hunter to my queue. lol

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19. "Eroticism or cruelty?"
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   "The Lover" had its erotic moments, but I thought the real theme of this film was cruelty. The racist French family of the girl was cruel to the Chinese, accepting nights on the town and expensive jewelry from him as they openly despised him. And the girl herself cruelly said she didn't love him and was only with him for the adventure and his money. I kept thinking that the film was some kind of allegory about colonialism. Or a portrait of French arrogance. Or something. A beautiful girl in a film doesn't necessarily make the film erotic. Also, how can you have eroticism without a bit of humor? The whole movie was deadpan serious. French girls make bad wenches.

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20. "RE: Eroticism or cruelty?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 31-Aug-10 AT 10:15 PM (PST)
 
Hm...

I saw a number of things going on this film.

Jane was the innocent whore lusted for by many- even when they don't realize it. I didn't see her family as cruel inasmuch as they were very poor and ignorant (note the two don't always coincide, but in this case did). The "chinaman"; educated and wealthy was looked down upon by her family for being chinese likely because they had no other basis to assess their own self-worth. Self worth is often mimicked by a false sense of superiority. The subjectivity of value enables people to identify anything as a virtue or a flaw. If enough people have the need to believe the same thing, then it becomes a sort of truth- even if disputed. Racism anyone?

The chinaman asked Jane whether she loved him or his money. She answered HONESTLY - "I love you as you are- with your money." Read deeper- she was more honest with him than most women we'd assume his character knew. It was probably refreshing to hear a woman (although barely) admit that she loved his whole package- inclusive of his wealth. I assume men like that probably meet women that pretend they are unaware or disinterested in their wealth. If I were a rich man- such deliberated facades would leave me questioning whether the woman truly loved me at all if not at least a little for what I could offer her. It's not like the guy wasn't also handsome, sexy, and clearly an amazing lover. Being rich only added to it- especially for a girl of her common background. (operative word: 'girl').

She was as primal as it gets in that she really understood little more than her longings. She enjoyed the sexual awakening and fulfillment she found with him but was too naive to fully understand her own power within that. I saw the dynamic of a poor girl that had a rich man by his balls... and didn't even know it. He knew she could get him to give his whole life up if only she asked. She didn't read between the lines when he'd ask her to tell him what he NEEDED to hear to proceed in following his family's wishes.... He needed to hear those words from her because any words to the contrary and the man would have been putty in her hands. It all went over her head. She accepted that they couldn't be together because life hadn't yet showed her that she could rebel, challenge, and ultimately win.

I really disagree with you on this film. Wenches are always boring. I much prefer vixens- innocent whores make great ones. I believe Jane March is actually Chinese & Spanish though. lol. Have a nice night!


Also... I picked up on traces of incestuous lust for Jane by her brother who clearly envied the man who had her.... it was very complex and I may watch it again later to see what you are saying. (Pretty tired tonight)....

I love the interest though!!! Thank you for the response!

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24. "RE: Eroticism or cruelty?"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 06:11 AM (PST)
 
Okay I didn't read the WHOLE thread. I am not a connoisseur of french film, HOWEVER.. iF a bizarrely ambiguous ending to a story about a beautifully naked french girl sounds good to you- check out: SWIMMING POOL. Yum!

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25. "RE: Eroticism or cruelty?"
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   Mozelle--

We disagree. The French family was cruel and racist -- and they could do it because they were French, the colonial masters of the Vietnamese in 1935. It had nothing to do with them being very poor. They weren't poor. They could afford to send the daughter to school and they owned the farm they lived on.

I thought the scene where the Chinese took the girl and her family to a sumptuous dinner and they openly insulted him at the dinner table was revealing. Why didn't the girl object? He was her lover after all. I just don't see the innocent young girl that you see.

As for wenches, that is a matter of taste...

Anyhow, the Film has to be good if it provokes this kind of discussion. It makes me want to read the novel by Marguerite Duras that the movie is based on.

Cheers.

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