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SENSUAL & DEMANDING MISTRESS SEEKS GENEROUS, SUBMISSIVE PLAYTOYS - w4m - 27

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Reply to: pers-146254380@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-03-29, 5:31AM PST

MISTRESS EVA IS TAKING APPOINTMENTS FOR SESSIONS...... WORSHIP ME. I AM A BEAUTIFUL,STRICT AND DEMANDING MISTRESS. I AM SEEKING MEN TO USE AS MY PLAYTOYS. SUBMIT TO MY EVERY WHIM AND DESIRE. YOU WILL LOVE MY WHIP AND BEG FOR MORE. I AM 5'9" TALL WITH BLACK HAIR AND A MOST STUNNING BODY. I DESERVE YOUR SUBMISSION AND DEVOTION. I OFFER OUTCALLS ONLY AND HOURS ARE FLEXIBLE, LATE NIGHTS ARE ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. I LOVE ROLEPLAY,SMOKING FETISH, BONDAGE,EROTIC HUMILITION,DISCIPLINE,LATEX FETISH, WHIPPINGS, FLOGGINGS, CANINGS, STRAP-ON PLAY, CBT, SPANKING AND SLAPPING, FOOT AND BOOT WORSHIP, SISSY-SLUT-SLAVE TRAINING, FORCED FEMINIZATION, CORPORAL PUNISHMENT, PSYCHOLOGICAL DOMINATION, WATER SPORTS, TEASE AND DENIAL, ETC... TO NAME A FEW. I SEEK ONLY GENUINE, SINCERE,DEVOTED SUBMISSIVES, WHO KNOW THEIR PLACE. AT MY FEET OF COURSE. GENEROUS MEN ONLY. NO FLAKES OR FAKES WILL BE TOLERATED AND THOSE WHO DARE TO CROSS ME WILL BE DEALT WITH SEVERELY. SO CALL YOUR MISTRESS NOW YOU WORTHLESS EXCUSE FOR A MAN . FOUR ONE FIVE four two four nine zero six two .
415-424-9062
I AM WAITING FOR YOUR CALL, DON'T MAKE ME WAIT FOR LONG... start ---->
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CANDY CHRYSLER - BRANDE NEW BLONDE BOMBSHELL! - 25

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Reply to: pers-146255105@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-03-29, 5:37AM PST

Candy Chrysler, new to san francisco, beautiful, blonde babydoll.

World Class Toy Show

Five Star Full Service

Unrushed, GFE or PSE

Incall and Outcall, Available 24/7, Call Anytime at 415-424-9062

$300 per hour

this is in or around SAN FRANCISCO

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Here's a BDSM Provider who does full service

We need to let the providers be discreet when they feel the need to. They have very good reasons to do so.

My 2 cents

I would hope that potential customers know which number they dialed and therefore which services to expect. You should no more expect Misstress Eva to fuck you then you should expect the other to tie you up and beat you.

If you take a cab somewhere and learn that your driver is also a waiter, do you ask him to go get you a soda?

From what I have heard LE isn't the issue, more like access to facilities will be denied if a dom gets tagged as FS. Anyway she has the right to the same discretion the rest of us expect.

Good point, though I think the cat's out of the bag now.

We need to let the providers be discreet when they feel the need to. They have very good reasons to do so.

My 2 cents "

I agree with MrLemon.

And how could anyone decide what is appropriate for another person to do, especially in this context? It is her choice to keep the personas and activities separate. It is a simple matter of doing what she wants to do, when she wants to do it, under what context she wants to do it!

Ms. Eva, don't let this stop you from keeping things the way you want them to be.

The bottom line is that any provider is free to offer whatever services she wants, in whatever configuration she wants, and under whatever persona she wishes to differentiate those services. This is her right, for whatever reason. For example, domination works better if the bottom isn't able to sexually "top from the bottom", so she may wish to separate those services, simply to allow herself to provide a more powerful experience.

Now here's the harsh part and please don't take offense personally -- I believe that any effort by a customer to manipulate a girl for "extras" that are specifically not on the menu... is tantamount to date rape. I can only guess that the subconscious motivation for the original post is to say "Hey, you may say you're a domme who refuses to provide sex for money, but here, I've outed you, I've proven you're a whore."

No, all you're doing is sounding like a bitter and powerless guy who not only has to pay for it, but feels upset that there exist women you can't get by paying. I'm reminded of a notable FBSM provider Haley Hansen, who decided to dabble in FS under a different name. However, her customers all rushed to her, demanding FS, and really making life difficult for her. All of these devices to managing intimacy and limits, these are ways for working women to cope with the immense difficulty of being able to share intimacy on demand.

The bottom line is that these women do not owe you a fuck. If you want to have her as an escort, call and make an appointment. Or see her as a domme... and beg. You'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I apologize if this post seems harsh. I'm just trying to make a point. If you're into it, let's discuss WHY you wanted to post what you did. Were you trying to "out" this Ms. Eva? Or did you have some other motivation.

Thanks in advance for not flaming me in reponse.

For myself, I really need no TaraSterling types to tell me what I can discuss here or not.

No kidding, what else majesty?
Perhaps you could posts Sterling's rules of conduct on Redbook here so that we can all sit on our knees and abide with awe.

Actually it was MrLemon who posted that, not TaraSterling.

LadyJ
Jacq of all trades, Mistress of quite a few

Stright from the ad in question:

"Candy Chrysler, new to san francisco, beautiful, blonde babydoll.

World Class Toy Show

Five Star Full Service

Unrushed, GFE or PSE

Incall and Outcall, Available 24/7, Call Anytime at 415-424-9062

$300 per hour"

Looks like the term TRUTH has no particular meaning to you am I right?

Dan e

That's true, except where she offers "Five Star Full Service"

And she really should have 2 phone numbers if she's tryig to pull this off. The wig was a nice touch tho.

Her ad's obviously offer FS and BDSM. Hell, there isn't much else left.

My advice to her would be to swallow her stigma and simply advertize that she does both. There's a premium for that anyway.

There is not a premium for BDSM+FS in the long term. Many providers have posted on this board that they could not make it advertising that, and so went to just straight services. The rest of the world is not the same as you, and many clients are apparently turned off by a provider that advertises BDSM, so it can hurt their business.

My advice would be to swallow your bad attitude. It can't be helping you get premium service, no matter how much money you spend.

And plenty of providers on RB advertize full service - just look at the other sections.

Going rates for BDSM+ are higher. In fact, Eva was asking 200 for BDSM and 300 for FS.