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binbag
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"'Domination is not prostitution'"
 
   SInce it is widely accepted that "Domination is not prostitution" would anyone care to tell us about those Ladies who love to dominate and humiliate men but are unable to claim "true" Domina status. Those talented GS specialists, those tease and denial artists, those extremely talented women who might be considered excellent Dommes if it wasn't for their unfortunate predilection for including certain "taboos" in their sessions - taboos such as being naked and demanding intimate body worship, for example?

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1. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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Dude,

If such women existed, they would be silly to talk about it. LE reads this board, and those acts are illegal.

Lilith

"...and you know that she's half crazy..."

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binbag
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5. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   I would have thought that the women who openly offer Full Service have come to terms with the legalities/illegalities. Having done so I don't see why that should preclude them from engaging and perhaps in excelling at activities in a Domination context. I know not all would choose to do so but my guess is that some do. They are the ladies I was asking about

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7. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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You might want to look in the escort section for those escorts who offer sensual domination or what not.

Just a thought. I would suggest that if anyone has "Domination is not Prostitution" on her website, that you make sure she's going to do those things you want before you see her. In the past, I've had a couple of idiotic arguments with guys who are looking for something more than I would do. That's why I never saw clients without a backup person being somewhere within screaming distance. Though I have to say that I only needed to scream one time in all the years I was in practice. But no one needs to be blindsided.

I really doubt that even the ladies who engage in that sort of thing are going to want to advertise it openly on this forum. You can always ask the lady you are planning to see when you set up your appointment. If it were me, I would ask after the first time you see her. LE usually doesn't make more than one appointment with someone, so if she does do that sort of thing, she's more likely to do it after the first time you see her, or at least, this is what I've picked up reading this forum.

I am pretty sure that some of the wonderful ladies who post here are not as "prissy" as I was, but I wouldn't name them, and I bet that the majority of the gentlemen on this forum aren't going to name them, either. Why? Because maybe she only does it for that particular gentleman. It would be pretty terrible to lose the extra attention that someone's regular lady might give him.

If a lady is openly offering full service in her ads, then I don't know why you're asking about it here.

"...and you know that she's half crazy..."

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10. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   I am asking about it here because it’s the Domination forum and that’s what interests me. I am not interested in ‘traditional’ full service with a ‘traditional” escort. My point is that Full Service ladies have come to terms with the illegal nature of what they do. Are there similar women in the Domme world? I don’t have a legal background but my understanding is that fucking someone in the ass with a strap-on is illegal but many Dommes are comfortable with that. On the other hand DATY(Pussy Worship in Domination parlance) is an example of a ‘taboo’, and the cited reason is often because it’s an illegal activity. If the woman doesn’t want to engage in a certain activity I completely support her right to decide what she does or doesn’t do. But some illegalities appear to be more binding than others. Are there any Dommes for example that insist on pussy worship but won’t use a strap-on because it’s illegal?

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17. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-Jun-10 AT 02:21 PM (PST)
 
Regarding strap on sessions, DATO, prostate massages and other "grey areas" of the law I usually point out that while I do not offer anything illegal, I am willing to do a verbal psychological roleplay within boundaries and also offer strictly educational sessions with Myself as a guide. There is no law against "psychodrama". If they can't get a clue after that or continue to make explicit requests, I did not want to meet then anyways!

The other ladies who mentioned the old saying YMMV are right. Once you get in the door and develop the trust and intimacy, who knows what could be around the corner.
Mistress Jenna Rotten

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11. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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DOMINATION WAS A REAL PROSTITUTION. WORSE THAN A CALL GIRL.

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22. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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Just because something is illegal doesn't mean they'll come after you. Sreen your clients carefully.

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24. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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DOMINATION WAS A PROSTITUTE, WORSE THAN A PROSTITUTE.

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realdeal81 realdeal81 rating
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2. "Widely accepted that domination is not prostitution?"
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Accepted by who?

BTW: I think the jury's still out on that one.

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3. "RE: Widely accepted that domination is not prostitution?"
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   < BTW: I think the jury's still out on that one. >

A Domme who specializes in tease & denial, and holds true to sending her subs away hard & not released, is the polar opposite of a prostitute and in no way can even be compared to one. No jury, no opinion, that's a black & white fact.

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binbag
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4. "RE: Widely accepted that domination is not prostitution?"
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   Correct. But a DOmme who specialises in making her sub produce powerful orgasms for her entertainment and/or milking is a bit closer!

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Lilith Lilith rating
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8. "RE: Widely accepted that domination is not prostitution?"
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It's not illegal to have a guy kneeling on the floor wanking, LOL. Even I find that amusing, especially if I've made it difficult for the guy by adding hot sauce or apricot facial scrub to the lube he's using.

Lilith

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binbag
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6. "RE: Widely accepted that domination is not prostitution?"
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   I agree. I should have said widely accepted by some.

Cheers for the correction .

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realdeal81 realdeal81 rating
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9. "RE: Widely accepted that domination is not prostitution?"
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I don't think it's widely accepted by most. There are many activities that could be considered prostitution even though there might not be any sex in exchange for money. My feeling is some/most dominatrix do not offer sexual favors in their advertising. They are pretty much low key and fly under the radar operating in various neighborhoods without creating problems. When you get right down to it, police probably have bigger fish to fry and much easier targets.

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12. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   What I'd like to know is how to discreetly ascertain if DATY or DATO are available when contacting a Mistress?

I know it isn't advertised and I understand why. I have seen ladies that advertise "sensual domination" or "goddess worship" and assumed that it was available. I found out (in those cases) that it wasn't really available.

I know if I ask this by e-mail, even discreetly, that I will likely not get a response. So what's a good way to find out if these activities are available?

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realdeal81 realdeal81 rating
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13. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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Ya know, it sounds to me like you would be better off if you would do your homework by checking the reviews and then book a session with an escort. I think you would have much greater success trying to find an escort who is agreeable to your desired activities and could also act like a dominatrix then trying to find a dominatrix who would play the role of an escort.

And NO! I don't have any suggestions as to who would fill those boots.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

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14. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   Geez, sorry to offend, that wasn't my intention.

I realize I could get an escort but that is not what I am looking for. I am not looking for a whole session of body worship. I could get any escort for that. It would be something I'd be interested in that's incorporated with other traditional BDSM activities. I have no desire to allow an inexperienced escort do elaborate CBT on me.

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15. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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Don't worry about it. You didn't offend me. I'm just trying to give you some advice. One other thing I can tell you, if you call dominatrix and ask to perform oral sex on them, you'll be lucky if all they do is hang up on you.

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16. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   No doubt. I wouldn't do that by phone. I always schedule by e-mail. I have never even asked if it was available. I have solid references so the threat of me being LE is not there. I guess I could send a request for a session along with my references and then ask if intimate worship is possible. I doubt that will get me anywhere though.

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Lilith Lilith rating
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19. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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Your best bet is to:

a.) See an escort who advertises sensual domination. Some of them ARE skilled in the domination and SM aspects.

b.) Develop a relationship with one special dominant, and she might be comfortable enough or like you personally enough to do something like that. But of course, she may not, too. Chances are not, but you can try this.

c.) Ask in your initial negotiations. There is a chance that she'll not even book a session with you, but you never know. I'd much rather someone asked up front rather than blurt it out at the end of the session as a demand and then get snotty when you say no.

d.) Look for a lifestyle dominant at a munch or event and get involved in a relationship with her.

Lilith

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18. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   Meet her and make her comfortable. Maybe you just aren't worthy to lick ass ;).

I repeat:YMMV!
Mistress Rotten

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IsabelleVerdan
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20. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   I have been nude (or nearly so) in sessions on more than one occasion, and no, that's not illegal.

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21. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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There are plenty of women in the domination section that obviously offer *more*. Some include pictures of their genitals, come on guys, is it really hard to find these women? They advertise plainly.

The Goddess Athena
415-221-8751
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23. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   "Ladies who love to dominate and humiliate men but are unable to claim "true" Domina status"

TRUE?!?!? Who is in charge of mandating what a TRUE domina is? Your post is ridiculous on so many levels - Lilith already pointed out the obvious which clearly fell on deaf ears. The usage of the word "true" with the implication that women are catty bitches who refuse to associate with others within the same industry really pisses me off.

It reeks of divisiveness and lack of intelligence. It is one thing to be a novice, it is a different thing to piss in someones' livingroom while claiming you just want info. No one is entitled to anything - the faster you learn that the faster you will understand why your post is absurd!

"TRUE?" Ha!

"True". I swear I am having a heart attack right now.

The Beauty of BDSM has nothing to do with "TRUE" noob - get a fucking book.

Catherine
Never mistake my kindness for weakness.

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25. "RE: 'Domination is not prostitution'"
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   >SInce it is widely accepted that "Domination is not
>prostitution" would anyone care to tell us about those
>Ladies who love to dominate and humiliate men but are unable
>to claim "true" Domina status. Those talented GS
>specialists, those tease and denial artists, those extremely
>talented women who might be considered excellent Dommes if
>it wasn't for their unfortunate predilection for including
>certain "taboos" in their sessions - taboos such as being
>naked and demanding intimate body worship, for example?


Your assumptions and assertions are laughable on several levels, but do raise some interesting points and questions.

1. The law defines what constitutes prostitution, not BDSM professionals or fools posting on message boards. Many activities that are common in BDSM sessions do indeed constitute prostitution under the laws of every state in the Union.

2. Um...would you care to identify The Grand Poobah of Domination who decrees who is a "true domina" and who is not?

3. Exactly why do you consider it to be an "unfortunate predilection" if a professional includes "certain taboos" in their sessions?

4. Furthermore, considering that any and all forms of BDSM are considered to be taboos by mainstream, vanilla society, and that we in the BDSM community reject that disapproval, isn't it rather ridiculous and hypocritical to emulate vanilla society and consider activities such as "being naked and demanding intimate body worship" to be "taboo" in professional domination? If not, why not? And does it make you proud to display your intolerance?

5. Oh, and would you care to identify The Grand Poobah of Domination who decrees what is "taboo" in professional domination?

6. Why would you think that including activities that YOU consider to be "taboo" in a session means that dommes "are unable to claim 'true' domina status?" And since we're already looking for Grand Poobahs of Domination, who is the one who decrees what "true domina status" is, and whom to place in that exalted category?

Looking forward to your answers.

Not.

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