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sjsfn08
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06-Jul-10, 07:52 AM (PST)
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"How to ask about someone's experience level?"
 
   I see a few ladies in the ads who have no reviews but they interest me. I have also asked in this forum about them but haven't gotten any feedback. So, I want to politely ask these ladies about their experience without coming off rude.

I politely asked one Lady about her experience level, where she may have worked before, how long she's been active, about references, reviews etc and got a nasty reply condemning me for having the audacity to ask her about her experience.

Is it rude to ask these newbies (they may not be newbies but that is what I am trying to figure out) about their experience? Is there a better way? I could just make an appointment and see how it goes but getting tied up and beaten on by someone that I have no info on doesn't seem like a smart plan to me. Any feedback is appreciated.

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Grissom Grissom rating
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06-Jul-10, 10:23 AM (PST)
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1. "I like your approach"
In response to message #0
 
   In the world of buyer beware, you are right to ask about qualifications before subjecting yourself to rough treatment.

I assume that you were respectful and that you chose your words carefully. Anyone experienced would understand and respond accordingly.

Why don't you share a sample of the questions you posed?

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sjsfn08
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06-Jul-10, 01:32 PM (PST)
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3. "RE: I like your approach"
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   After a brief introduction and explaining what type of session I was looking for, I wrote the following:

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind:

I've noticed you have no reviews on your ad. Do you have any reviews you can point me to? Maybe at MF or another site? Can I also ask where you may have worked before? Fantasymakers or the Gates perhaps? Lastly, how long you have been doing this professionally? I hope you don't find these questions obtrusive, I just would like to know what I am dealing with before I can hand over my body/trust.

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missgrey missgrey rating
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06-Jul-10, 04:38 PM (PST)
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5. "RE: I like your approach"
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Ah, it makes a little bit more sense now. A lot of Ladies don't really like reviews per se. Asking about one's experience is one thing, but asking to see proof from another guy is something a bit different. I would stick with asking her to talk with you about her experience. Just because someone doesn't have tons of reviews doesn't mean she's unprofessional or inexperienced. I think I have 2 reviews on RB and I've been an indie pro for four years.

Best of luck,

Miss Grey

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beaumont beaumont rating
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06-Jul-10, 04:45 PM (PST)
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6. "RE: I like your approach"
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   Good points. In addition, MF is heavily NYC-oriented, while RB is heavily escort- and FBSM-oriented, and consequently reviews of Bay Area prodommes are actually not that easy to find, especially for newish prodommes.

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missgrey missgrey rating
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06-Jul-10, 01:29 PM (PST)
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2. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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I would think a solid professional would answer questions about her experience level without balking; it should definitely be OK for you to inquire. When talking (or exchanging email) with a new client I always ask if he has any questions for me about my experience, style, or play space (or anything else), and all the ladies I know do too.

My guess? She isn't very experienced and thinks you will be awed by the domme-liness she exhibited when you asked.

Eek.

Miss Grey


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beaumont beaumont rating
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4. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-Jul-10 AT 04:41 PM (PST)
 
>...and got a nasty reply
>condemning me for having the audacity to ask her about her
>experience.
>

I'd say she told you all you needed to know in order to make a decision as to whether or not to see her.

Next! There are too many fishes in the Bay Area prodomme sea to get hung up on seeing one particular newbie with an attitude.

If a domme appears to be new, and has just started advertising, with no reviews, no track record, no references or known association for training/apprenticing with an established and well-regarded prodomme, then it's not only justifiable to ask about her experience, but essential. You did the right thing, and her response gave you all the information you needed to make an intelligent decision.

With regard to not getting feedback on 411 posts on this forum, I'd guess there are two possibilities:
1) She's new, and no one who posts here has seen her.
2) Not many of the men who post on this forum have actually done r/t sessions with a broad range of Bay Area prodommes.

P.S. One good sign that a newish prodomme is competent is if she's renting at one of the spaces that are owned/operated by established, reputable prodommes, such as the Looking Glass and Valhalla in Oakland. Those ladies are not going to rent to just anyone who walks in off the street and calls herself a prodomme. Consequently, another question you could pose in screening a newish domme you're considering seeing is where she conducts her sessions.

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MsMinax
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06-Jul-10, 04:58 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
In response to message #4
 
useful advice and I agree with Miss Grey,

asking a Professional about her experience is completely appropriate. If she becomes indignant, it may not be worth your time. I have had to repiece the bodies and souls of many who got injured with an inexperienced Domina. Not worth it IMHO.

And reviews are relative, but useful.

Good Luck,

Eve Minax

Nolite te bastardes carborundorum...

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fran_cia42
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07-Jul-10, 09:19 AM (PST)
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8. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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I agree that there is nothing wrong with asking for level of experience. Response will usually speak volumes about a person.

There is a local mistress where I live who is quite well known and involved in the community and has her own space, and I'm sure is very well regarded. However, when I mentioned that her session fee was too high for me (I did not ask her to bargain down) and asked for a reference for another local mistress in my price range, she responded that she was the best on offer in the area and no one would match her experience and could not recommend anyone else. Perhaps this was true and she was being direct with her thoughts, however, the way that it was communicated completely turned me off.

For me, the initial pre-session communications must be businesslike and succint, and anything short of this is a signal to move on.

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Simone_Wilde
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07-Jul-10, 09:31 AM (PST)
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9. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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   It's not only reasonable, but quite sensible to ask about the experience level of someone who isn't well known. This especially applies if you're doing anything that could potentially endanger your physical or emotional well-being. Even something as simple as being tied up requires skills and knowledge that a total beginner with no training or BDSM education won't have.

A Domme who isn't well known but is skilled and experienced should be happy you asked. She'd probably rather you ask politely than skip over her altogether. I know I probably get skipped over a lot because I don't have reviews (well, I have two fictional ones that I've heard don't say anything about BDSM). I am grateful for clients who take a leap of faith, and absolutely understand clients who want to make sure they're not leaping off a cliff. Now if I could just get one of them to write a review!

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Lilith Lilith rating
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07-Jul-10, 10:56 AM (PST)
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10. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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Any prodomme should be able to provide information on her experience level. We're selling a service, and just like any other professional who sells service, we need to expect to be asked about our bona fides.

Lilith

"...and you know that she's half crazy..."

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LittleDragon LittleDragon rating
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11. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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You are absolutely dead on Lilith.

Leia F.
I am the Mistress of my Soul

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rabid_woofer rabid_woofer rating
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12. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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You should have the same requirement of safety as "The Provider".

And you may also inquire about references, cities where they've worked, and amount of training. Evasiveness would be a red flag, and bear in mind that a reputable pro-Domne wishes to establish a long term, professional relationship with Her clients.


Rabidwoofer

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66kicks
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08-Jul-10, 07:43 PM (PST)
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13. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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   Good post. Bottom line, ask whatever you feel necessary. If you don't like the answer, or lack of one, just move on. I had this happen to me years ago, probably before the Internet was the resource it is now. I couldn't believe how nasty she was when I asked.

It's not so much an issue now, because I'm still looking at some of the same dommes I was looking at 10 years ago. I know they have experience. Or, they're at houses I've grown to trust. Or they got referred to me (thanks Beaumont).

There's just no good reason to put up with pre session nastiness. Or anything that makes you uncomfortable.

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14. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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   I'm floored that a Domme would resent being asked this! I ask for references and check out credentials when I see any other sort of professional-- why wouldn't someone want that before seeing me?
My only analysis here is that someone who gets extremely defensive when asked about her experience might not have a great deal of it...

Mistress Tatiana Belodyne
of FantasyMakers

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Lilith Lilith rating
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15. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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Unfortunately, that's probably true.

I can't help thinking about the woman who I talked to once on the phone at FantasyMakers who was calling about being a Domme. She was looking for something to do besides street work. The conversation went something like this.

Me: So what made you think that domination is what you'd like to do?

Her: It's hitting men, isn't it? I can do that. I'd LIKE to do that! I would really, really love to do that!

Me: So what kind of experience do you have?

Her: I have a whole lot of really sexy clothes and boots.

Me: Well, that's very nice, but have you ever done this before?

Her: No, but I can make men do whatever I want.

Me: Uh, do you even know what exactly this entails? Do you have skill with spanking, canes, floggers, single tail whips? Anything like that?

Her: Canes are hitting people with sticks, aren't they? I could do that. I think it would be fun!

The conversation never really got any better. And for all I know, she went into business and called herself a domme.


"...and you know that she's half crazy..."

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griffinmills
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17-Jul-10, 08:53 PM (PST)
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16. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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   That has got to be incredibly infuriating.

Isn't there an academy in the Bay Area run by Eve Minax, Cleo Dubois and Selina Raven that teaches young dommes? I'm sure one could go there and, afterward, ask them to provide references.

If a new person to the scene didn't want to lay out money directly for such education and the benefits it provides they could probably get work at any of the great play houses, like fantasymakers or backdrop, at least. Giving at least the comfort of being an established locale for any clients that ask.

Okay, bargain basement, join SoJ or go to a munch and make friends then use them as a reference!

And yes, let's be fair and flip it around. When I was young man what did I do? I was poor of course so I did the SoJ thing! Nothing more frustrating than being a young, insecure, shy, kinky, bisexual switch guy in SF and trying to break into the scene and find someone to play with. Getting shot down left and right online and off. I play with anyone and do anything right? Well that seems to also put some folks off too. *sigh* But I stuck with it and eventually found not only Pro's that have paid me kind compliments but a awesome kinky wife.

You get what you give, right? If the OP's frumpy dominant doesn't give much, she ain't gonna get much!

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17. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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Wow, just wow. That is both absolutely disturbing and riviting at the same time.

When I get a call like that I hope against odds that the caller is *kidding* but one never knows.

Scary.

The Goddess Athena
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18. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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Any pro domme that has been in the business awhile should have no problem talking about her specialties and level of experience concerning different activities. Honestly, without being judgemental I think it is a knee jerk response from a very new provider to say shut up how dare you ask me that because they think that is the way a dominant woman would act.

Being a proffessional domme means working within limitations and providing a scene based on what the clients wants and needs are. Far too many people wrongly think this business is all what the woman wants. If you want that set up you should get a personal slave and even then you should be working within agreed upon boundaries.

The Goddess Athena
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415-221-8751

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kendraendra
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20-Jul-10, 12:31 PM (PST)
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19. "RE: How to ask about someone's experience level?"
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A Domme that is right for you will not be defensive when interviewing her. I actually prefer my inquirers to ask me questions about my background. It helps me to feel more confident, because I believe that it minimizes the occurrence of misunderstandings during the session. As well as lending to the session feeling more comfortable. I find being honest and having good communication skills to be the makings of a good time.


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