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mistresscancer
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"Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage befo"
 
   Just wondering if any of the ladies out here have gotten to that point with someone where a marriage ended in divorce because of them?

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griffinmills
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1. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage "
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   Hard hitting question!

I went to a local gal for massage once, things turned kinky and it was so damn amazing I had to go home and tell the wife. She knows I'm big into (vanilla) massage so it wasn't too big a surprise for her but you could tell she was a bit off put by the whole thing. In fact, I think she was jealous.

Well, like a good husband that sees his wife is distraught I got her a gift, a two hour session with the same gal! LOL I came drove her down and stuck around eventually joining in the session where we learned she had a hell of a sadistic streak hiding. Before that we had only ever done things with me topping and her bottoming so this opened up a whole new world for us and made our marriage stronger rather than breaking it.

Since then my wife and I are super open about sex and kink. I think we easily have the best relationship of anyone I know, for it.

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2. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   >Hard hitting question!
>
>I went to a local gal for massage once, things turned kinky
>and it was so damn amazing I had to go home and tell the
>wife. She knows I'm big into (vanilla) massage so it wasn't
>too big a surprise for her but you could tell she was a bit
>off put by the whole thing. In fact, I think she was
>jealous.
>
>Well, like a good husband that sees his wife is distraught I
>got her a gift, a two hour session with the same gal! LOL I
>came drove her down and stuck around eventually joining in
>the session where we learned she had a hell of a sadistic
>streak hiding. Before that we had only ever done things
>with me topping and her bottoming so this opened up a whole
>new world for us and made our marriage stronger rather than
>breaking it.
>
>Since then my wife and I are super open about sex and kink.
>I think we easily have the best relationship of anyone I
>know, for it.


so how do you reconcile the post above with your post on the thread lookig for a certain provider that says:
A while back I was looking for the right Ms. to introduce me to the scene and all that. I was, naturally, worried about leaving any traces on the family computer when I was done browsing myredbook so I generally put pictures and notes to myself on a thumb drive then cleared cache and history etc. I did eventually choose but then we had a death in the family and it just all seemed like bad timing so I put if off till everything had blown over and settled down.
Well then I kind of chickened out for a while but the whole thing kept brewing inside me so I eventually came back. Unfortunately when I went to bust out the thumb drive it looked a little worse for wear, but it still seemed to work after windows rebuilt some damaged directory info or something. I say unfortunately because the rebuild renamed everything into "RECOVRED001" instead of the labeled folders I had and it's made it impossible to find the exact gal I had settled on before. In fact, I think maybe she had retired since I'm having NO luck finding her in any category.

In deference to the fact that she may have retired I'll only attach the non-revealing pictures I have from her old profile. If anyone knows her then please PM me a name/contact/website or whatever. I can send more if someone thinks they may know her just contact me.

Maybe I should just get over it and pick another, nice gal? This gal seemed perfect though, she seemed a bit laid back/fun/silly but also serious, just look at the pics to see what I mean.

(pics removed)

edit: Also, if this is against etiquette or anything please don't hesitate to let me know so I can take this down.

edit2: I'm taking the pics off just in case. If anyone can say if it's okay for me to post them I'll put them back up. If you want to help maybe I will send them directly for discrete inquiries.


Sorry, but I'm not buying it- soulds like a penthouse letter.

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griffinmills
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4. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   Sorry, I don't know what you want me to reconcile. I want to be respectful of this woman deciding to leave the scene, if she has indeed left the scene.

It may not be obvious but the post you quoted is in reference to an event a couple of years old at this point. I don't think she'd appreciate putting things to bed that long and have someone drag it out suddenly.

If you mean the family computer part? Yeah I we're NOT out with the grandparents and such and we are taking care of them in their old age. Grammy likes her facebook (boy does she like her facebook) so I make sure there isn't anything on there to frighten her when she goes to use it.

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20. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   LAST EDITED ON 28-Jul-10 AT 10:41 PM (PST)
 
I have witnessed women banned their client because he was trying to somehow use his companions as the seed of drama to end his bad marriage.

Almost all providers I came to know respect clients family and manipulating men and destroying marriage or create difficult situation for clients children are the very last thing they want.

I don't think private emotional life of provider is any different from anyone. Why should they be any different? I actually believe even when something private and romantic is going on, they respect and nurture clients marriage and family much more than a typical civilian woman who engages in affairs with a married man.

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3. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage "
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   Did have someone whose wife found receipts from a kinky shop - she assumed he was having an affair, even though the stuff he bought was actually for him to wear in scene while he was getting beaten and he didn't get into the more sensual stuff like body worship. Anyways, they ended up getting divorced but he seemed relieved in the end. He says he doesn't really see providers anymore, now has girlfriends he explores with and is just enjoying being single. So in this case, it kinda worked out.

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5. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage "
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   I have never been the cause of a divorce or a LTR. There were times when I could have been "the other woman". I exited that role quickly. Anyone who is contemplating divorce or going thru one should not be involved with a third person.

I have counseled many married men who were unhappy with the wife. Most of the time, I am supportive of the wife. Men and women see things differently. I try to explain her point of view. On the other hand, when a husband is working, taking his part in child rearing and housework, but rarely getting sex, intimacy, and affection, that is not right.

I have spent about 100 hours doing sex counseling. About 70% of this time was spent listening. It takes work on the part of the partners, reading books, taking classes, making up agreements and signing them, then following up on them, turning off your cell phone so you can give your full attention to your SO.

If you are an unsatisifed husband/SO and would like to learn fresh ways to get what you need from your SO, inbox me.

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mistahbig
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9. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   Are you kidding??? "anyone going through a divorce or contemplating one should not be inviolved with a third person"??? I rather doubt you have any real qualifcations to counsel anyone- this is the sort of absolutist nonsense that I'd expect from a lay person not a professional- the inability to acknowledge the myriad shades of gray that make up people and relationships.

And you counsel "many married men who were unhappy with the wife", but "most of the time (you are) supportive of the wife"??? What a surprise- and what an utter lack of objectivity or neutrality.

"100 hours" of sex counseling- I sure hope you aren't charging for your "service"- because nothing about your post suggests you are even remotely qualified to do so.

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6. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage "
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I collared my only husband but mostly just because he felt he needed to compete with the first slave I ever owned. This slave was indeed married and did live with me for over a year after I decided to leave my marriage. I fantasized for a time about keeping a small glass box at my door containing the rings of these men but I think I just liked the fantasy of that more than anything else.

Later on my first collared slave went back to his wife and I was glad to see him go. He was very close with his children and in the end the fantasy of being with a woman like me wasn't something he could live full time while his family suffered.

I've had calls on occassion from women checking up on men who have called me which always feels a bit strange but I have never lied to them. They ask me catiously about what I do and I try to explain it often to those who seem very unsure of what bdsm is. I can't say how much of an effect those calls had on those women but they certainly were not happy.

The Goddess Athena
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7. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   You were having intercourse with your slave while you were married?

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8. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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No, I did not have intercouse with my slave while I was married.

You can have a bdsm relationship easily without that element. My husband actually encouraged me to collar a slave during our marriage and was collared himself as well he just wasn't a very good slave.

The Goddess Athena
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10. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   How noble. You wouldn't lie?? You should have.

You should have said you do counciling, something like that, or hung up.

Unreal.

I have seen you twice in the last, oh, 20 years. If I had a wife and I thought if my wife called your number and asked what you did with, or to, my husband, or what you do in general, and you would come out and say you were a mistress and you beat guys for fun and profit, I would NEVER have seen you. I would hope you would say nothing,or have a lie for just such an occasion, and then hang up.

What the fuck? UNREAL. PROTECT YOUR CLIENT!!!

This is why, and I have posted my opinion on it a few times, these BS questionares that want to know where you work, your phone numbers, etc, before a gal will see you are a complete joke, and the married guys that actually fill them out are retarded.

OF ALL THINGS, PROTECT YOUR CLIENT. Or is it some sort of sick thing you get off on, "being honest" at the expense of your client?

Yeah, you probably have been the cause of a few divorces. Congratulations.

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11. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   Well I think most of us would hang up or lie. Not everyone asks for verifying info, but the ones who do are usually gonna be more discrete because they may have something to lose as well. We ask for that info for our safety, and yeah in return you should expect protection. I doubt Athena asks for personal info, but then you get no guarantee of protection. You can't judge us all based on this one person.

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12. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   I was also shocked to hear Ms Athena say she did not Lie to wives calling her up.At minimum Athena, play DUMB and hang up!

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13. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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I've had a couple of women call me, asking why their husbands have that number, and I just play really dumb and say that "...I have no idea. Who is your husband? Could he know my husband? Maybe they work together?" They never want to answer those questions and they don't call back.

I'm all for protecting the client.

Lilith
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14. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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Client protection is BOTH parties' responsibility. You'd think that if it were really that important to you as a client, you'd make it a point to spend 60 seconds making that well known with the mistress/provider BEFORE engaging in any play, and having a contingency plan if those calls do come.

Don't blame the lady for telling the truth if she had no a priori agreement as to what to do in that situation.


Stay classy Sacramento.

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15. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   >
>Client protection is BOTH parties' responsibility. You'd
>think that if it were really that important to you as a
>client, you'd make it a point to spend 60 seconds making
>that well known with the mistress/provider BEFORE engaging
>in any play, and having a contingency plan if those calls do
>come.
>
>Don't blame the lady for telling the truth if she had no a
>priori agreement as to what to do in that situation.
>
>
>Stay classy Sacramento.


You're joking, right? Because you cannot possibly be serious.

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18. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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Since the wife doesn't usually give any names out, you can't have a "contingency" plan for each client. You have to just have a general contingency plan. Wives expect you to know who they mean by "my husband." Asking who their husband is usually causes them a little confusion. Mentioning YOUR husband will also confuse them a bit. Suggesting that the two husbands may have some business with each other usually causes them to put the phone down and rethink things. She may then dump on the husband, but not because you gave her any ammunition. I have never gotten a repeat call after the acting innocent and asking "could your husband know my husband?"

Lilith

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19. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   LAST EDITED ON 28-Jul-10 AT 09:35 PM (PST)
 
I like your response Lilith.

Hope other hearts are watching.

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23. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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Yes, but I do have to wonder why the idiot man left my name and number where his wife would find it. That's as silly as the idiot guy who took a cell phone call from his wife while I was in the middle of tying him up. I had to point out that if he did it again, I was going to start screaming in the background.

I just don't think it's respectful to either me or his wife to do stuff like that. I dont' think any provider wants to be in the middle of someone else's marriage in ANY way.

"...and you know that she's half crazy..."

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24. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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I like Lilith's response as well.

I can't discuss whether anyone has ever called me asking about her husband... but if a Lady did, I would lie, in no uncertain terms.

I require the utmost in discretion from my clients in private, in public, and via telephone and email, so why shouldn't I apply the same standard for them? I should, and I do. Lying doesn't make one feel very good about oneself, but neither does causing someone else's avalanche to happen.


Gentlemen, it may be a good idea to review with your professional exactly what she would do in such a situation, so you'll have an idea of what to expect should something come up.

MG

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17. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   I agree, I have seen Athena and never would have had I know this was her attitude. Actually, I now feel like and A** for assuming that providers would have a convincing cover story prepared and rehearsed for the scenario described.

There are several threads in PinkBook on how to handle calls like this if anyone needs more suggestions.

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16. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage "
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With all due respect, while the provider may be the vehicle by which the marriage is broken, she (or he) is not the cause. The responsibility lies squarely at the feet of the hobbiest. I'm responsible for my own actions and would never claim that "she tempted me beyond my ability to resist".

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21. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   LAST EDITED ON 28-Jul-10 AT 11:12 PM (PST)
 
Reading many posts by clients made me think about the difference between civilian affair and seeing a provider.

For provider, you are her client a customer and not a lover. she will not give out " he is mine" vibe most civie women would radiate.

this " he is mine" vibe is detectable but "he is one of the guys who sees me" isn't

I do not really see why they must be so paranoid unless clients themselves want to wrongly believe it is an affair or incredibly careless.


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25. "RE: Curious - Have any of you providers ever broke up a marriage"
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   Thanks for the input. My case is so fucked up! My "client" met me in 05 or so ..decent but VERY needy relationship. He loved to be dominated , but also made offers for me to be his "mistress". I was not into that type of arrangement. As most of you know, I like to DOMINATE. My client was im'ing me ALL THE TIME and getting mad, plus very demanding. His marriage was shit - huge house and he has his own room and so did she. I never took the time to figure out what the fuck. 2009 rolls around...he contacts me: I figure out who he is: HUGE IT GUY!!! The man is rolling in MILLIONS of dollars! Most would say TAKE HIS MONEY, it was never about that. I liked him enough to be fair, guess what he did: saw me numerous times and didn't pay a dime, promised me a house/car/salary...

NOW: how do you think I re-acted to getting nothing...yes, I said nothing.

Fucking his world up! You don't promise shit to a person and do nothing. I figure I might end up in his current divorce mediation..and I am so cool with that!

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22. "Hooker not have much of a role in divorce"
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LAST EDITED ON 28-Jul-10 AT 11:23 PM (PST)
 
Unless the provider is dating the man outside of the professional sessions, I don't think she has much of a role in breaking up the man's marriage. The guy is in control of his whoring around.

If, on the other hand, the provider has an emotional-mistress relationship with the man, then she does have a role in breaking up the marriage.

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