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WorshipsWomen
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"Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
 
   people usually come here to ask a question or two or to incessantly troll. too often, the Domination Station board isn't utilized to it's full potential as a place to discuss this thing which weaves it's seductive and secret thread through or sexual lives: BDSM and it's fetishistic counterparts. so, here are some thoughts of mine on male doms. if you're a Woman, i'd love to hear your views and whether you agree or not with my thoughts. if you're a man, you are free to disagree as well, but you're wrong of course

as a submissive man, i've found it can be a bit frustrating trying to maintain a meaningful relationship where both mine and my potential Partner's wants and needs are suitably satisfied. in truth, i've found that many Women wish to be, if not Dominant, then at the very least equal partners in a relationship outside of the bedroom. yet They often times prefer a dominant (i didn't capitalize the "d" because i'm describing a male here) partner during sex. since the thing i wish above all else is to please the Woman i am with, i have learned over the years how to satisfy this desire for them. it's actually given me an interesting perspective on the D/s relationship between a man and a Woman wherein the male takes on the dominant role. while studying this dynamic so as to best attempt to approximate it for my Partner, i found many things not to do. so many men strive desperately to disguise their impotence by dominating women with cruelty or sexual debasement. even a casual observer of this behavior can usually see the man for what he really is. a scared little boy, fearful of having his sexual inadequacies discovered. when i see a Woman being dominated by a man in this way, i recognize a Powerful Being allowing a lesser creature the illusion of control over Her. She is usually destined to be disappointed however, because the so-called dom really has no clue as to what She is really looking for. a man who truly loves, respects and worships Women would know what it is She craves: a safe environment to discover and reveal whatever desire she holds which our patriarchal society has caused Her to view as shameful. by first gaining Her trust through loving support and sweetness, a man can adopt a dominating (though hopefully not aggressive) presence in order to encourage a Woman with gentle insistence to release Her innermost desires. thus allowing Her to wipe away years of unfairly inflicted guilt and character debasement at the hands of family/society. once this is done completely, over time, a Woman will no longer feel the need to submit to men, either sexually or in any other way. that is why i believe that any relationship where the male is dominant over the Female must fundamentally alter, within a certain amount of time, to a state of equality between the two or to one of Female Dominance and male submission. anything else is proof that the man does not have the Woman's best interest or Her true happiness as his goal and that, as a dom, he is a fraud.

ok. what do you all think?

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electrablue
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1. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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There are certainly male Doms who are focused only on their own pleasure--lucky for them, there are submissive women who *enjoy* this! Just as you probably get pleasure from pleasing your woman, I get pleasure from seeing a man come unhinged from my focused attention.

Here's a curious question though: Who really has the power in a D/s relationship? The Dom/me may wield the whip, so to speak, but it is the sub who gives consent to be used. Without consent, the scene starts to break down.

There's a lot of different schools of thought in what makes a Dom/me. If they are solely focused on their sub's desires and interests, are they really dominant?

There is true to what you say: I do want a safe environment to discover my own desires outside of what our society says is right. As a submissive, I find my darker fantasies are much more threatening to feminist ideals than patriarchal ideals.


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WorshipsWomen
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3. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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>As a submissive, I find my darker fantasies are
>much more threatening to feminist ideals than patriarchal
>ideals.
>
>
>E


I find the this statement to be far more interesting than anything I wrote in my original post. This is a fascinating and insightful remark and I'd love to hear what others on the board think. It makes me wonder, does an individual woman's decision to pursue her desires, though they conflict with traditional feminist views, make her even more of a feminist?

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electrablue
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5. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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>It makes me wonder, does an individual woman's decision
>to pursue her desires, though they conflict with
>traditional feminist views, make her even
>more of a feminist?


It really seems to depend on which school o' feminism you are talking about. Some (mostly the new schools) feel that feminism means honoring the feminine no matter what form it takes, and no fantasy should be barred to us. Other, more conservative or older schools of thought may believe that these are not true fantasies, but cultural projections that have basically brainwashed us into thinking we want it.

Submissive & masochistic fantasies, rape fantasies, or even domestic housewife fantasies could be seen as circumventing feminist aims at equal treatment. Personally, I think owning your fantasies no matter what they are is more feminist that trying to live up to certain expectations.... but maybe I've just been brainwashed by the evil patriarchy to believe I want it!

Personally, I get into the 50's housewife fantasies. Cleaning in heels, serving the man and focusing on him. Garter belts, stockings, and corsets. I Love Lucy can be downright kinky when watching it in this light!

Good things happen to those who hustle. -A. Nin

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11. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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   A Dominant gets to do as S/He pleases. So if I want to give pleasure rather than receive it, that's what I'm going to do. Giving pleasure makes me feel powerful. I know that I am giving the sub an experience s/he can only get w me. If s/he feels like I knocked his/her socks off, s/he will have to come crawling back to me to get that same exact feeling.

At other times and according to my mood, I do think it's hot for a Domme to demand to be pleased. I do like to hear myself snarl: "Get busy!"

I agree that the sub holds power in the relationship and I like that. A sub can be well-trained, intelligent, witty, or attractive, making him/herself a desirable person to play with. I personally like a sub that shares his/her thoughts and feelings rather than one who remains silent or grunts one syllable answers to my questions. For a Sadist, a masochistic sub is way more desirable than a sub that is not a masochist, or who merely tolerates pain to please the Dominant. At the end of the day, it all has to be consensual. The sub knows darn well s/he can say at any time "I do not want to play". That is power right there.

I have some thoughts on the male Doms who focus only on their own pleasure. I would think this can be a hot scene, but only occassionally and perhaps only with a very submissive woman. I have heard many female subs tell male Doms that in order to deny them an orgasm, they must first prove that they can provoke one!

Some submissive women struggle coming to terms with the seeming contradiction of submission/feminism. Being a submissive does not make her anti-feminist. Submissive women can and should submit on their own terms, perhaps walking away from a Dominant who does not respect their limits. Standing up for herself makes her strong

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FableGrey
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2. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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In this case, my thoughts are "Good FKN luck buddy"

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4. "False"
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   It's the old familiar story. The outsider putting down others.
"They are shallow"
"I am smarter"
"They are insecure"
"I understand a woman's needs better"

It speaks volumes about his own limited BDSM experiences that he ascribes to a male dom exactly one type of dynamic. As if there is only one type of sub and dom, and only one dynamic.

Simply put, he's a sub who has found that more women prefer to be dominated than to dominate. And he has trouble fitting that into his world view.

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electrablue
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6. "RE: False"
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>It speaks volumes about his own limited BDSM experiences
>that he ascribes to a male dom exactly one type of dynamic.
>As if there is only one type of sub and dom, and only one
>dynamic.
>
>Simply put, he's a sub who has found that more women prefer
>to be dominated than to dominate. And he has trouble
>fitting that into his world view.

There are as many styles as there are people, and what works for one couple may not work for another. Oddly enough, even though I clearly say I am submissive, in both my pro life and personal kink, I will still get men who beg me to dominate them!

Perhaps there are simply more people, men and women, who tend to be submissive in their sexual lives?


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7. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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I'm willing to agree to disagree with you on this WorshipsWomen. It's been my experience in being a dom, sub, verse... that the men and women i've shared with have done it for different reasons and fetishes. My fetishes change, as do those of my friends.

Some of the scenarios have taken on roleplaying that may have a "freudian" base, but not entirely so.

Having said that, your situation may apply if you excercise a very focused BDSM view, which most don't.

Big Hugs,

sfguyhere

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WorshipsWomen
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9. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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   Thanks for your reply. I think I could probably learn a lot from you

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8. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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   Subs or person who has no dominant inclination can still provide rough sex or dominant scene for someone. The focus then is to carefully read her response and decipher the scene she really wants. If it is a service then subs should be able to offer it pretty passionately.

Also there are much more subs than dom/ dommes in this world so it is more easier for two sub inclined to learn to please one another.. and I think thats all good thing.

Many women do enjoy rough sex scene or being controlled with someone who is safe, cool headed and really smart underneath it all and I am sure it is same with male subs.

As far as I know, Doms do not have to be brutal rude or idiotic. he could use the eye contact, way he touches her, voice quality, and other methods to engage while studying the subject closely. He could be calling her dirty slut whore or number of degrading names during the session but could be extremely respectful of women outside of the scene.

Same could be true with some subs who loves to serve and be polite during the session but could be manipulative and misogynistic little prick in real life.


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WorshipsWomen
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10. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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>Many women do enjoy rough sex scene or being controlled with
>someone who is safe, cool headed and really smart underneath
>it all and I am sure it is same with male subs.

Yes! This is why I never feel satisfied with sessions with pro Dommes who aren't articulate or particularly confident in their superiority.

>Same could be true with some subs who loves to serve and be
>polite during the session but could be manipulative and
>misogynistic little prick in real life.


much truth here

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littleshoes
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12. "RE: Thoughts On Men Dominating Women"
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   I have often encountered both men and women who enjoy sub space in a sexual context because it gives them permission and relieves them of guilt. (even if they did buy the rope and make the call) In the context of playtime, the sense that they were pined down and overtaken lets them feel free to get naughty things done to them without pesky western/Catholic guilt and shame popping up. Not necessarily a rape fantasy, but a very irresistible seduction fantasy.

There's all kinds of annoying stuff about when a woman has sex she is sub, when a man has sex he is dom. I don't care who is physically on top, or who is putting what in where. I say that's all BS. It's about who feels like they are driving, and who feels like the passenger.

As a top, I feel like I am a roller coaster. No one makes you ride, but once you get on you surrender control to the experience. The thrill is real, but every effort has been made to ensure your safety. I also feel very nurturing and caring towards my subs, and the connection and the power and the contact high I get from their fear, or seeing them in that floaty place high on endorphins..mmm!Better than chocolate! Almost as good as new shoes ;)
So even though my Femininity is a powerful tool, it's often not about gender for me. But I kinda grew up in and around the kink/bdsm community, so I had the benefit of working through all that early on.
I will say this though, I have a pet peeve about male subs who say they want to do feminization that automatically translates to degradation/rape fantasy. Get this males, being female and getting fucked does NOT equate being raped or degraded or any loss of power at all. If that's the fantasy you like to construct for yourself fine, but please learn the difference.

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