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larrygochanour larrygochanour rating
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"Dommes and intelligence"
 
I find that most of the Dommes I see are very intelligent, well travelled and accomodating to my needs. Is this true for others as well? Is keeping a client happy part of the job?

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1. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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   I think so too. But usually only when they are established and proficient in their play. Others (like the ones I used to find back when I mostly looked for Dommes on craigslist) are the exact opposite.

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2. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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   In my experience, truly competent, professional Dommes are among the most intelligent and interesting people I have ever met. In any profession, keeping the client happy is essential to ensure return business; as any intelligent and competent professional would know.

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3. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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It is surprising, to discover that many prodomms hold multiple college degrees, Masters, or Phd.s and easily would find a position in traditional business if that suited them. We are very lucky that it does not.

Leia F.

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6. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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Leia,

Not surprising to me in the least. A number of the dommes I have known are what one might call "perpetual students". They have a love of learning and will take many different classes to feed that hunger.

Rikenn

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4. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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I've had the pleasure of meeting some incredible minds in some of my Private Sessions. I find that all men love a great mind, conversation and great body that goes along with it.

Mistress Kajun


"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination." A.E

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5. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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I don't find it surprising, as Dommes must keep things creative and interesting for their sub.'s. Being able to communicate is very important to being a proficient Top. I think most intelligent women can be found in this industry because there aren't many opportunities for intelligent women to make this amount of money and have so much control and flexibility within mainstream society.


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jimmy_gilmour
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7. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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   good observations..and would it follow,that ProDommes are drawn to Their profession because male subs have the most money or is it because they are just willing to pay the most because they are subs? BTW i don't think I've seen anyone more intelligent here than the female sub Collette Caine

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8. "What about male subs?"
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   Reading through the posts, I see enthusiastic recognition that Dommes are highly intelligent, creative women who keep learning more.

But how good a fit are they with the population of male submissives? Are the male subs also smart, creative etc? Since I don't session with other males (and rarely meet them) I have little idea of the answer.

But it would be nice to see what people have to say about whether male subs are generally of the same "caliber" as their Dommes.

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9. "RE: What about male subs?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 04-Aug-10 AT 09:03 PM (PST)
 
A hard question to answer..I am more curious about what You have to say about this Paul..You seem highly intelligent..do You think that You are more intelligent than the Dommes You see? You ask many Questions and only sometimes offer an opinion. What are Your thoughts?

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10. "RE: What about male subs?"
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and putting my "money" where my mouth is..I don't session with other subs either but i am thinking that perhaps it is part of being submissive.maybe the very "core" of submission to be in denial enough to believe that our Domme is of higher intelligence than "we" are..i know for a fact that my Mistress is "way" smarter than i am..She proves it very often

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11. "RE: What about male subs?"
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Unfortunately, male submissives, both client and lifestyle are about the same mix as the general public. Many of the clients are well educated and intelligent, but possibly because they can afford to indulge their hobby, a number of them are arrogant, poorly behaved, and otherwise obnoxious. I often think that affluence increases the sense of entitlement some clients exude.

I've had clients who ranged from (I am not kidding) a stockboy at Target, to a judge. The stockboy was nicer. Not as smart, not as potentially interesting and certainly not well educated, but much more pleasant to spend time with because he was so very polite and nice. The judge was arrogant, demanding and I gave up seeing him because he seemed to have the idea that he was entitled to grope me just because he was paying me. I've always been upfront that this was NOT okay with me.

I think, just because it is an expensive hobby, the caliber of our clients self selects as more likely to be well educated, intelligent, and potentially well traveled. Certainly, I can think of only a very few clients who held really menial jobs; eg. the stockboy. Those with menial jobs can't afford to see prodommes with the frequency of those who have better paying jobs. Of course, there are a number of men who will save up or make sacrifices to indulge a fetish. But it's certainly easier for someone who makes $100,000+ a year to afford us than for someone who makes $30,000 a year. And it's more likely that higher paying jobs require better education.

Lilith

"...and you know that she's half crazy..."

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12. "RE: What about male subs?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-Aug-10 AT 07:32 PM (PST)
 
>Reading through the posts, I see enthusiastic recognition
>that Dommes are highly intelligent, creative women who keep
>learning more.
>

I think you need to qualify that overly broad assertion, and state it as a generalization, not a fact that is true in all instances.

I think it is accurate to say that *quality* prodommes are usually (or often, or tend to be) highly intelligent, creative women who keep learning more; or perhaps that *many* prodommes are.....etc. I would certainly agree with that.

However, some prodommes are dumber than dirt. I've seen a few like that, only a few, fortunately, when my screening procedures somehow broke down and failed, or I foolishly ignored a red flag. But there was never a second session. (And I'm talking about prodommes. If we broaden it to include *all* dommes, pro and lifestyle alike, then a bit of browsing the profiles at collarme.com will disabuse anyone of the notion that *all* dommes are highly intelligent.)

I would also note that those few prodommes who have done (or started to do, before I stopped them) the most stupid, health-threatening (and potentially life-threatening) things to me were both intelligent and experienced.

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13. "RE: What about male subs?"
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   It's always hard to generalize any groups of people absolutely. But I've found the vast majority of reputable pro FemDom's that I have encountered to be highly intelligent, definitely highly creative & probably to the surprise of some, extremely caring & empathetic people.

Of course nothing is absolute, but I think you can almost bank on these qualities being present in a Mistress who you have seen around for a long time, that is long established & well respected.

You definitely will find the exact opposite searching the craiglist ads where ghetto level escorts are also "open to domination." And I'm honest & unapologetic, I find interactions with them to often be fun & worthwhile as well, even when subjecting myself to something definitely too dangerous & not well thought out for my own good. Danger is exciting. But you can really let loose & go to extreme places with confidence with a more experienced & reputable Mistress, and yes, you will end up finding Her very intelligent & interesting.

I guess it doesn't surprie me that sub customers are across the board. They are definitely a handfull, that's for sure. We require our sex providers and girlfriends to also be half therapist with considerable ability for melodrama performance, and we wonder why it's hard to keep what we want when we finally find it! But that is our condition, and the good times experienced feeding this addiction tend to overshadow the bad times, in my opinion.

As for dick heads who claim to be subs and then try to grope the Misresses, and cop an attitude because they paid & their the customer...absolute fuck heads, and I will tell them all about it to their face while I wipe the pavement with them. Submit to these kicks to the teeth, you douch bag!

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14. "RE: What about male subs?"
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   "As for dick heads who claim to be subs and then try to grope the Misresses, and cop an attitude because they paid & their the customer...absolute fuck heads, and I will tell them all about it to their face while I wipe the pavement with them. Submit to these kicks to the teeth, you douch bag!"

Hot. Very hot response. excuse me while I go wank now.

Catherine
Never mistake my kindness for weakness.

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15. "RE: What about male subs?"
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   >"As for dick heads who claim to be subs and then try to
>grope the Misresses, and cop an attitude because they paid &
>their the customer...absolute fuck heads, and I will tell
>them all about it to their face while I wipe the pavement
>with them. Submit to these kicks to the teeth, you douch
>bag!"
>
>Hot. Very hot response. excuse me while I go wank now.
>
>Catherine
>Never mistake my kindness for weakness.

& That was from the hottest Mistress to ever grace this forum!! That turns a lousy Friday right around!!!

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16. "RE: What about male subs?"
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   Thank you for your kind words.

Catherine
Never mistake my kindness for weakness.

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17. "I have to admit it"
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   You know, to some degree I AM a groper. I can't specifically recall if I was when I saw you, but if it seems right and the opportunity is present I will throw out a grope. I never felt like a dickhead, I never had anybody get mad at me. Actually, it seemed to energize the scenes. If it was a problem, all they'd have to do is shackle my wrists which is really the way I prefer to start a session anyway because I feel it eases any trepidation.

I don't know. I never felt I was a dickhead, asshole or douchebag as a prodomme customer. I'm always invited back, whether it was the Gates or various other indies. Of course, there's also the sessions where she gives off a no touch vibe and then I don't even dare think about making a grope move. It just depends on the dynamic and I like and appreciate both dynamics.

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18. "RE: I have to admit it"
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   LAST EDITED ON 26-Sep-10 AT 01:28 AM (PST)
 
You were a perfect gentleman and I appreciated it greatly. I am one of the "no touch without asking" fans because it is often conducive to my sessions. I need to concentrate on what I am doing and being groped just throws me off. I am an edgy player most of the time so being thrown off can be dangerous. My mind moves a thousand miles a minute when I am playing because I am a "fly by the seat of my pants" kinda gal and it is a second by second decision making process for me. With all of that internal dialogue, I also want to be present in the moment - so a grope would just frustrate my personal process.

Not to mention, I am a huge fan of bondage for many reasons but like you suggested - it prevents wandering hands effectively.

Then again, I have to be honest and share that I have had sessions where I look at my partner and ask "what the fuck just happened?" after groping and being groped - what the hell?!?!

I love being a kinky pervert but for me, touching is not ok without consent no matter the reason, and you were not a dickhead. That is why everyone welcomes you with open arms!

Catherine
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20. "RE: I have to admit it"
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   Actually, with you, I think I was too busy GETTING groped. Especially internally, so to speak! We gotta meet up again, sometime. I regret your schedule got so tight when you left the Gates.

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22. "RE: I have to admit it"
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LAST EDITED ON 06-Oct-10 AT 01:55 PM (PST)
 
Groping is kinda cool when it comes to the whole tease and denial thing. I love to slap a mans hands away and tease him with my big fat ass. Or make him worship me with his hands behind his back. I love to make him get so distracted and desperate that he forgets his hands are to be behind his back and starts to try and touch me. I like this because it give me an excuse to slap the shit out of him for disobeying my instructions. Hes been a bad boy and broken the rules so now he must be spanked and put in the corner. Sometimes in the throws of passion it is just impossible for a guy to keep his hands to himself.

Perhaps I am a little sadistic, but its hard to find reasons for punishment sometimes when guys just behave perfectly from the beginning. Dont get me wrong, I cannot stand topping from the bottom. But when a guy is SOOOO turned on he cant resist... NOW THATS HOT!

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23. "RE: I have to admit it"
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   I like the way you think! I always emphasize the restraint factor because I don't ever like there being any confusion over who's running the session. Physically, anyway. The last thing I want is the female to feel any uneasiness, any slightest feeling that she's in harm's way.

The way I see it, with the leeway I give her for control and discipline, if she can't prevent, take care of or just accept a grope than she's not at a level acceptable to me. Same goes with a little playful resistance on my part, given all the tools I've authorized her. It's plenty for her to run a session, her way. Add to that presession communication, which is important, and there just isn't really reason for anyone freaking out. Just prevent it in the first place (physically or just a general icy demeanor) if it's a big deal or take care of it or incorporate it.

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24. "RE: I have to admit it"
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Playful resistance verses topping from the bottom. Now that sounds liike a topic for D/S. I wonder about others oppinions regarding this. There must be a thin line between true passion/ playful resistance and topping from the bottom.

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25. "RE: I have to admit it"
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   I don't honestly think the line is that thin. IMO, topping from the bottom is taking away the top's control. For instance, putting so many limits on her that she can't control the bottom. For instance, if I was to resist or grope and she wasn't permitted by limits to inflict any sort of pain or restraint. That would be one crappy session!

I might resist or test and I do have limits, such as ballkicking. However, it wouldn't prevent her from all restraint she feels necessary, corporal, CBT, faceslapping...there would be a variety of ways to take care of any issue. Truth be told, though, it takes incredibly little to put me in line. It all, though, becomes a part of the interaction as a whole as the session goes off on it's own. Nothing worse to me than a session that follows a straight line, a script. I crave improvisation, all the way around. A little resistance can fuel improvisation. Also, I do my best to communicate beforehand the type of player I am. Sometimes it helps, sometimes not. As I said, I like restraints from the beginning. It eliminates the issue of her wondering if I can be restrained! So, therefore, I just don't see that as anything near topping from the bottom. It's just an improvisational play style I enjoy. There's no bullshit or underlying passive aggressiveness to it. It's very sincere, another key difference.

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19. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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My Mistress went to Berkley.

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21. "RE: Dommes and intelligence"
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xoxo

Xena Zen

Sure, just like the clients. They are more open, creative, astute, proverbial, and just plain fun.

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