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human_guineapig
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"viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
 
   I have been a recreational user of viagra for the past couple of years. Recently I read about a new alternative coming out Cialis. Since Cialis is not available in the USA the only place to get it is from UK or other European supplier...so in the interest of providing a first hand comparison for our little community I ordered some and here's the results of the test drive..

VIAGRA: I usually use .25mg of Viagra about 30 - 45 minutes before my session. This is perfect for those days when I drive from Southbay to SF. When I want faster effects I chew it up. Tastes like crap but works within 15 minutes or so. The effects last from 2 hours to 4 hours sometimes longer but on those days where playtime is extended I will take another .25mg to continue the fun. The effects are great. Able to cut glass type hard! For me there is not difficulty having an orgasm the first or second time. Somewhere between the fourth and fifth it does get a bit difficult but I'm that way without Viagra too. Side Effects: If I take .5mg I can get a slight headache so I backed down on the dose. Occassional dry mouth and once in a while I have suffered mild heartburn. Summary: Very happy with Viagra. No real complaints except it would be nice if the effect would hang around for a week or so.

CIALIS: I read about this new drug and ordered 4 20mg tablets from a UK website. It arrived within 5 working days. Using my experience with Viagra I split one tablet and took it. I was rather disappointed with this dose but then again this night was not an overly sexy evening. More like a good night screw and then sleep so I don't consider this a valid test. However, this last Friday afternoon I took a 20mg tablet and headed up north. I deliberately gave myself an hour for it to work. First thing was that I didn't get the flush feeling that let me know Viagra was working. I just kind of felt normal. I was beginning to wonder if I got ripped off. So I arrived at my favorite place and met a new girl. While I was showering I was again wondering what would happen. With Viagra there are times, depending on the girl, that I'm rock hard in the shower. Now this isn't a real problem at most Apt Amps but at say Kings it can be a bit of a chore to tuck that sucker down so you can walk down the hallway. Of course I have considered just hanging the towel on my "towel rod" and walking back to the room but that is another story. When I got back to the room I was still wondering what would happen. Well she started the tickle thing and KAZAAAAM my heart rate went up a bit and I could feel a slight familiarity with Viagra. Short version is that I was as hard as I have ever been, feeling quite natural and had good control. No difficulty with orgasm.

So off I went to another place after a short respite and had similar effects. Feeling quite normal until activity began and then KAZAAAM it was up and rearing to go.

So then I went back to a SC to get a BJ and found the effect still present. This is in a span of about 5 hours.

Of to home and had the good fortune of a visit by a girl friend. Ok, it was actually a planned visit as I wanted a real test. We had a great time and the effect was still around some 8 hours later. I was pretty much sold on Cialis by now until the next morning. This is the dangerous part, the next morning. I would strongly recommend that if you use Cialis you should ENSURE that you have a wife, GF, or SO available first thing in the morning. I woke up with not the normal piss hardon but a raging-I-want-woman-NOW type hardon. And it wouldn't just go away. I watched the news. I tried the Discovery channel. I took a piss (I'll leave it to your imagination how that went). I finally gave up and got out the hand lotion. While it did relieve some of the "pressure" it didn't relieve it all. So I called my girl friend over and surprised her with an early Mother's day present (She is not a mother but it was the best excuse I could think of).

All in all, Cialis is a good time. No side effects at all. Very normal feeling until it was play time. It does cost more than Viagra at the dosage I use anyway. I would offer that Cialis is a great choice for those weekends where you know you are going to play a lot, trips to Asia or Tijuana, or when you want to make your SO very happy. Viagra is better for those times when you are going to make one trip to your ATF and then get back to work

Anyway that is my report.

Human_Guineapig

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1. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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Whats the link in the UK?

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human_guineapig
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2. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   http://www.healthexpress.co.uk/

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3. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   Next: Dead v. Alive...LOL...for unknown people, no doubt, too.

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feldencrist
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4. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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Wow,

I should do a test run as well, any excuse to go on an adventure like yours!

feldy

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5. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   How old are you? Obviously it makes a difference if you are 20 compared to say 60.

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6. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   Great report. It's all true. I have used cialis off and on for about two or three months now. I usually save it for a TJ trip or if I'm meeting a hot girl for a weekend.

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7. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   More can be learned about the subject "medications" here:

http://www.cialisnews.com/cialis/cialis_info.asp

It's interesting to compare them.

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8. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   LAST EDITED ON 12-May-03 AT 01:02 PM (PST)
 
i'm curious why you chose to take a full dosage of the Cialis and compare the effects to the 1/2 dosages (50mg) of Viagra? certainly you taking the full dosage gave you the next morning "effects". Maybe 15mg is a better dosage?

btw, i normally chew Viagra as oppose to just swallowing it when i want quicker effects as well. taste fucking awful, i usually chew a mint right after and drink some water to get rid of the after taste. i will do that on the elevator ride up to an incall date

also do you use the phizer Viagra or have you tried the generic?

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9. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   >i'm curious why you chose to take a full dosage of the
>Cialis and compare the effects to the 1/2 dosages (50mg) of
>Viagra?

50mg is the standard dosage. Most guys get 100s and cut them in half.


>also do you use the phizer Viagra or have you tried the
>generic?

I don't think you get get generic Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra).
You can get junk on the net and GNC probably has something
they hustle, but Pfizer still has the exclusive rights on the real thing.

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11. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   LAST EDITED ON 12-May-03 AT 03:52 PM (PST)
 
i'm fairly certain 100mg of viagra is the recommnended dosage for those who take the pills for their intended use (erectile dysfuntion).

this site seems to indicate the same.

http://viagra.sexual-performance.org/how-viagra-works.html


viagra's site mentions the pills sizes but no recommended dosage. however they do say that the pills aren't meant to be cut and discuss the smaller dosages are for only in the context of individuals wiht side-effect health concerns. i guess if they are making the 100mg pill there are people it's intended for.

I got some genreic V (Sildenafil Citrate) via the net. http://www.genericviagra.bz
i'm certain that the stuff is gray market at best. the company did goof on the original order (no delivery) but reshipped immediately from a US location so from that perspective they totally delivered.

fwiw, the pills are round and grooved for easy cutting into 4's. it was price attractively enough to make it worth my while. I was initially suspicious myself, but i've had no issues with the performance of the pills. not that this means anything but they taste exactly the same (nasty) as the phizer pills.

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12. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   >i'm fairly certain 100mg of viagra is the recommnended
>dosage for those who take the pills for their intended use
>(erectile dysfuntion).
>
>this site seems to indicate the same.
>
>http://viagra.sexual-performance.org/how-viagra-works.html
>
>
>viagra's site mentions the pills sizes but no recommended
>dosage. however they do say that the pills aren't meant to
>be cut and discuss the smaller dosages are for only in the
>context of individuals wiht side-effect health concerns. i
>guess if they are making the 100mg pill there are people
>it's intended for.

I got the following from the PFIZER site:


"DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION
For most patients, the recommended dose is 50 mg taken, as needed, approximately 1 hour before
sexual activity. However, VIAGRA may be taken anywhere from 4 hours to 0.5 hour before sexual
activity. Based on effectiveness and toleration, the dose may be increased to a maximum recommended dose of 100 mg or decreased to 25 mg. The maximum recommended dosing frequency is once per day."

The information on the site is in PDF and a little hard to work with, but in matters involving drugs, it's best to go to the drug company. They did, by far, most of the research.


http://www.pfizer.com/download/uspi_viagra.pdf


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13. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   good to know, thanks. i wonder what the recommended is for cialis, or what is the best comparable doseage to 50mg of V.

i'm sorry but i'm not interested paying more money for a pill that has me waking up with hard-ons in which i can't even piss unless of course that was too high of a doseage.

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21. "Don't believe that..."
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   <<<the pills aren't meant to be cut>>>

This is standard among drug manufacturers because of the minimal difference in price between higher doses of the same drug. They are protecting their profit margins. There is no scientific reason why you cannot cut the pill.

Among healthy men there is a danger in taking the largest recommended dose of Viagra or any of the newer erectile dysfunction pills.
It is calls priapism. That is when you get hard and it will not go down no matter what. They warn it can be very painful and you may have to go to the hospital to have the problem corrected.
Let's say you are a swimming instructor. Imagine having to go to work with an erection that does not go down.

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22. "RE: Don't believe that..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 15-May-03 AT 04:00 PM (PST)
 
><<<the pills aren't meant to be cut>>>
>
>This is standard among drug manufacturers because of the
>minimal difference in price between higher doses of the same
>drug. They are protecting their profit margins. There is
>no scientific reason why you cannot cut the pill.
>
>Among healthy men there is a danger in taking the largest
>recommended dose of Viagra or any of the newer erectile
>dysfunction pills.
>It is calls priapism. That is when you get hard and it will
>not go down no matter what. They warn it can be very
>painful and you may have to go to the hospital to have the
>problem corrected.
>Let's say you are a swimming instructor. Imagine having to
>go to work with an erection that does not go down.

those were just Phizer's words, not mine. IIRC, the smaller dosed pills were slighly more expensive than the higher ones on a per/mg cost so you are correct in that the small premium paid for the smaller dose pill adds to profit margins for the drug maker.

fwiw, the phizer pill does NOT cut well even with a pill cutter. if you are gonna buy the phizer pills, i'd recommend buying the 25mg pill.

after giving it a little thought here are the obvious differences i see in the Phizer pill vs the generics (via internet pharmacy based in Belize) that i bought.

Phizer
shaped like this <>, dark sky blue coating, white on the inside.


Generic
shaped like this O , pill has no coating and is actually more like a tablet than a pill. the coloration is similar to the dark sky blue coating on the Phizer pill however more granular looking.

Both taste NASTY (bitter) if you decide to chew them. Chewing them increases the time it takes for you to feel the effects.

the generic has worked just fine, if there are any differences it certainly isn't obvious to me, what is obvious is they are priced around 60% less.

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23. "RE: Don't believe that..."
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I have a prescription for V. My MD specified 50mg dose, but since the pills cost me the same ($10 ea.) regardless of dosage, she told me to get 100mg and cut them. Works OK, although they are impossible to cut exactly evenly because of the shape. I am still testing things, but I am leaning toward the idea that taking the larger dosage does not give me any better effect, but does increase the side effects (mainly flushing and nasal congestion) and also makes it harder to cum.

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10. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   Wow dude forget the drugs. Tell me what the hell you are eating these days lol.

zig

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14. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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What a terrific post! I found a source for generic Viagra, and heard about Cialis.

They mention a couple of other drugs (from the UK site):

Levitra
The latest treatment for people with ED, Levitra works in a similar way to Viagra but with lower doses and stays active for longer.

Xenical
Can help very overweight people. It blocks about one-third of the fat in the food you eat from being digested.

Reductil
An obesity treatment, it increases the speed at which the body feels full and this encourages weight loss.

I don't have a weight problem, but I'm curious about Xenical and Reductil. Also, they mention Levitra (great name, by the way I was wondering if anyone has experience with it?

Also, is there a generic Cialis yet?

AMP Safely,

Vej

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15. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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Has anybody ordered and received the package from one of these online companies? What does the package say? Does it tell you where it comes from? The reason I ask, I was thinking about trying some and will have it delivered to my office. They don't open anything, but they will see the outside of the box.

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16. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   typically a bubble envelope or small box with rather generic address labeling. it doesn't say in bold blue letters "VIAGRA" across the package. my experiences are the packaging is discreet.

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17. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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I like to use Mioplex myself. I think it extends orgasms.

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18. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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   >I like to use Mioplex myself. I think it extends orgasms.

If you "think"...so it shall be, grasshopper.

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19. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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I've been hoping that some other guys will to try it and tell me what they think.

www.mioplex.com

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20. "RE: viagra versus cialis.....test run for the team"
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Here are a couple more useful links ...

http://www.cialisnews.com/

http://www.cialisstories.com/

http://www.cialisonline.biz/

Cheers,
- blue thrills

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