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"Pet Peeves"
 
   Ok, so I have to vent a bit here. Some of these ladies need to do a little bit better job with their ads. Some of us gentleman need to do a better job with their reviews. Here is my list of current pet peeves:

1. Ladies, be a bit more specific about your location. You don't have to give me the street address BUT just saying "South Bay" is a pretty big area. How about San Jose, Milpitas etc...

2. Ladies, saying you have incall in the east bay/sfo? There is no place that borders the east bay/sfo unless you have a place on a bridge that we don't know about. If you are offering two incalls, be specific.

3. Ladies, when you leave the area and then come back, don't tell us you are "back by popular demand" when you have no reviews and no one has any info on you. I promise I won't be calling you.

4. Ladies, if you are not available or have left the area, please adjust your ad accordingly. I don't want to call you at 9pm when your ad says you are available in area X until midnight only to have you tell me you are no longer available/fully booked/or left.

5. Misspellings. Look, I know you aren't all college grads...BUT run a spell check once in a while. The better your ad looks, the better you look.

6. Rates: List your rates in your ad...especially if you are new and have no reviews. I love it when the ad is empty of rates and then you say you will not discuss rates or services over the phone. Why then would I try and see you?

7. If you are not RBGFE you should not be charging more than $$.2 for an hour. I don't care how hot you are or how well reviewed you are. I won't be overpaying for standard service.

8. Don't tell me in your ad you are RBGFE but then don't do something (BBBJ or DATY or DFK). If you don't do even one of those items, you don't qualify for RBGFE.

9. Don't state you are lite GFE...there is no such thing.

10. Pictures: make 'em bigger than thumb nail size or don't post them. If I can't get a good look at you in more than one pick, I won't be calling.

11. When you are a high volume provider, don't ask us to prebook 2 or 3 days before you arrive. You aren't going to keep track of the fact that we are to see each other at 1pm on Thursday...

12. Gentleman: let's do a better job with reviews. Always plug in the donation you gave. Putting it "as listed in ad" doesn't help. If she gave you a break or was running a return client special, just plug in her standard rate. It isn't always listed in the current ad.

13. Gentleman: In writing reviews, run the spell check and re-read what you wrote. It would be nice if it made sense.

14. Gentleman: I'm all for not giving the blow by blow (so to speak) of the encounter BUT check those boxes so we can see what services she provides. If she asks you not to mention the BBBJWS then don't but let us know she offers BBBJ.

Anything I missed? probably...so chime in...

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1. "RE: Pet Peeves"
In response to message #0
 
> Anything I missed? probably...so chime in...

Actually, you covered it exceptionally well.

Just one nit to pick: would it be 'OK' to ask that we don't start every long/explanatory post with...

"OK, so I...."

When did 'OK' become internet-ese for "Now I am starting to say something..." ??

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2. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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I do not mean to nit pick but ......
1) South Bay - Acceptable as we do not want the cops to do due diligence on certain juridiction such as Milpitas, etc.
General location is good enough for me such as South Bay, North Bay, East Bay and so forth. We can always call for more specific location if we are interested.
Other than that, you are good to go.

This is what it is. Cheers

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3. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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Enough with those phony "This is not an offer of prostitution" disclaimers. We all know this does not let you off the hook if you get caught by LE.

Also, just because you say "any money exchanged is for my time only" doesn't mean you can nickel and dime me for each thing I want on the menu. Learn what "all-inclusive" means.

"You only think you're free"

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5. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   Yeah that's a pet peave of mine too .... If your going to say all money is for time spent then anything we want should be Covered including rbgfe

but we all know it's not for time spent only, ifs for time and what type of services offered.

Another pet peave is if there are two girls working together and you don't want them both together, but want a 1/2 hr seperately with each .... Why is it more than 1 hr with one? Can't they split it?

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13. "RE: Pet Peeves"
In response to message #5
 
   <<if there are two girls working together and you don't want them both together, but want a 1/2 hr seperately with each .... Why is it more than 1 hr with one? Can't they split it?>>

Because 1/2 hour with one is more than 1 hour with one divided by 2.

Plus the opportunity cost. If the room is used for an hour, that's money that can't be made.

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11. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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~country girl sweetness~

not sure what other girls doing ok? but my time is worth it and when i lose that time slot cause i waited 4 certain appt and he flaked.. well... ya all get that, correct?

muah xoxo lil_amy

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12. "RE: Pet Peeves"
In response to message #3
 
actually, hooboy, it does help. So does saying so when you arrive at the location. It will not keep you from going to jail that night, and dealing with a court case, but it may help avoid a prostitution conviction.

But I do agree that the "my time only" thing should be a code and not an actual start of major negotiations.

xxx
Kisses
Mona Darling

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14. "RE: Pet Peeves"
In response to message #3
 
I don't have a problem with providers including that information. I am guessing some attorney recommended they include that language in their ads. While it may not be helpful, especially in preventing an arrest, it could prove to be helpful should the case go to trial or in plea bargaining as it could raise just enough reasonable doubt to secure an acquital or a hung jury in a trial. It could possibly also help the client if an arrested provider were pressured into disclosing her clients.

The reality is that in most jurisdictions, prostitution is still illegal and admitting or not denying one is engaging in illegal activities is not wise imo.

However, I agree completely with the second part of your post about the nickel and diming.


Everything in moderation
including moderation

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4. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   With reference to the reviews:
Why do some reviewers choose not to input the donation for the session? IMHO "$50 plus tip" is no information at all (particularly when looking at a review for a massage parlor). Knowing the tip amount will allow those reading the reviews what to expect to pay for any extra services.

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6. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   I wouldn't mind if girls actually responded to emails and inbox messages. I've always wanted to see a girl like AshleeLuv but she never responded to my inbox. I emailed Brooke Storm last week and she responded right away. I saw her later that day.

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7. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   My only pet peeve is: Ladies, if your photographs show you wearing wonderful lingerie, especially stockings, have them on when we meet with you. There is nothing more off putting than seeing photographs of wonderful sexy panties and stockings, only to be me at the door with sweats and a tee shirt. I usually do a 180 when that happens.

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16. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   Easy for brooke to answer inbox/email/calls immediately. She has management who handles all of her scheduling. In other words - Brooke didn't answer youre inbox at all.

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8. "number 12"
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>12. Gentleman: let's do a better job with reviews. Always
>plug in the donation you gave. Putting it "as listed in ad"
>doesn't help. If she gave you a break or was running a
>return client special, just plug in her standard rate. It
>isn't always listed in the current ad.

Ditto. That's fifty percent of the entire fucking point of the reviews. "as listed..." is so fucking useless because half of them change their prices every four hours. What we want to know is what you paid. You're embarassed you overpaid...we don't care. We simply want the straight info.


Rev. 22:20 "Surely I come quickly. Amen."

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9. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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"7. If you are not RBGFE you should not be charging more than $$.2 for an hour. I don't care how hot you are or how well reviewed you are. I won't be overpaying for standard service.

8. Don't tell me in your ad you are RBGFE but then don't do something (BBBJ or DATY or DFK). If you don't do even one of those items, you don't qualify for RBGFE.

9. Don't state you are lite GFE...there is no such thing."

These are all peeves of mine, but you are never ever going to get anywhere close to full compliance on this for 2 main reasons:

1- It makes economic sense for agencies to mislead guys as to services provided, so they co-opt terms invented elsewhere for their own, and give them their own definitions. Or in the case of some agencies, they say that the women describe what services they provide and are advertised accordingly, whether the women provide those services or not. This way it makes more financial sense for the girls to advertise at a better service level, but neither the org nor the girl can be held accountable for service that doesn't meet with expectations.

...and yes, I'm looking at you, KP

2- Just about all girls are going to be YMMV on some level. Even if they consistently provide DFK for most guys, they may not like facial hair or the look in some guys' eye and won't kiss him. I can almost guarantee you that I've gotten bad service from a girl that advertised as GFE or RB-GFE because of some flaw of mine despite the fact that I'm friendly, clean, and gentle.

The only real recourse is honest reviews and doing research before you see a provider. That way a guy can see if a girl pretty consistently provides the advertised services or not, doesn't see those providers that don't consistently provide the services they want, and the cream will naturally rise to the top.

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10. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   LAST EDITED ON 17-Nov-09 AT 12:17 PM (PST)
 
Ladies, you are not doing yourself any favors with strongly worded warnings in your ads.

If it's about services that are not offered, find a nice way of saying it. I know, I know -- if you are nice guys still ask for things you don't do, but that's life. You know as well as I do they still ask even when you say ABSOLUTELY NO (fill in the blank), put it in all caps with exclamation points. Say it nicely and then just deal with the assholes when they ask for it anyway. Making a scene about it in the ad makes it all about you, when in fact, an ad is ALL about the customer.

I NEVER even consider calling when I see things like:

READ AND UNDERSTAND EVERY WORD OF THIS AD BEFORE YOU THINK ABOUT CALLING ME

MEAN MEN SHOULD NOT EVER THINK OF CALLING ME (you think it's actually going to keep them from calling? Probably draws them like a moth to a light. But think about how many nice guys aren't going to bother calling when you let an attitude like that come through in an ad)

NO BBBJWS. DON'T EVEN ASK. (see above)

Ladies, we want a courtesan. We want someone who understands we want a good time with a lady who (at least appears to be) enjoying herself. We want the fantasy.

Most importantly, we don't want drama. When you put crap like that in your ad, it's a billboard saying: Major issues here. STAY AWAY.

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21. "RE: Pet Peeves"
In response to message #9
 
LAST EDITED ON 20-Nov-09 AT 05:19 AM (PST)
 
Hmm,

I've never understood why some guys here have a problem with the term gfe used to mean something other then what RBGFE means. It's all fine and good that RB has come up with a specific definition for particular type of session and given it an RB specific name. But to take issue with use of the term GFE that lines up with what large portion of the internet has been using the term to mean since before there was much of an internet seems odd.

GFE, outside of a few review sites, has very little to do with specific activities. And certainly doesn't necessarily indicate unsafe ones. It refers far more to the tenor of the appointment. Some visits with a provider have a fairly mechanical feel, and are purely about the acts. GFE is/was a term used to denote a session that is often longer, has more intimacy, and feels less...faked. And yes, it's always had an element of kissing I think, but DFK? To redefine GFE to boil down to specific acts seems to totally remove it's value. A provider can offer 'real rbgfe' and still be mechanical, impersonal, distracted, or insensitive.

So a reviewer that hasn't been on RB too long can be forgiven, I think, for the confusion of terms.

As for saying there is no such thing as 'gfe-lite', one of the fun things about an evolving lexicon built around the communications of a large group is that new terms come into existence. If people are using the term, and there are other people who know what it means, then there is such a term.

Edit to add: RB has Gfe-Lite as one of it's recognized, defined terms, so I'm really confused now. Sadly, the definitions are all act specific.

Love as thou will.

Gwenyth

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22. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   What she said. Times 10.

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23. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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The point is that this is Redbook. When advertising on Redbook the terms you use in your free ad should coincide with the definitions given on Redbook.

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15. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   As far as reviews, Men....

1. Please check appropriate service blocks. I don't care to go through and read long posts that are sometimes illegable to find out what is offered. I want to see at a glance: FS BBBJ DFK etc.

2. When checking boxes please don't be redundant- i.e. Don't check all BBBJ BBBJTC BBBJTCWS. If she gives BBBJTCWS it's pretty clear BBBJ is offered.

3. Only exception to #2 above may be if she offered BBBJ and YOU chose CBJ. I've nearly missed (and probably have missed)seeing girls because you guys checked CBJ on a lady that offers BBBJ. Open the first couple of reviews and see CBJ and then move on.

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17. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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Alternately, It drives me crazy when I search for things like, say, Greek on RB and it comes up with results that are clearly false -- I'm not sure if that's an issue with the search engine, or some joker checked the box on Greek for a girl who is known not to provide it. Please make sure what you post in your reviews is fully accurate! Thanks.

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18. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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Yay! I want to join in the airing of pet peeves

1. Men who call to attempt to use me as a 900 number Let me refer you to Facebook, Friendster, Meetup.com, your local coffee shop, numerous chat rooms, etc

2. Stinkiness …If I smell like sugar, spice, & everything nice, then...

3. Negotiators, there is a search option where you can put in your available funds & a plethora of options will pop up at you

4. More of a silly thing than a peeve, but guys who each time they call have a different name. Pick your favorite name & stick w/ it

5. Guys who don’t read the basics then ask on the phone…Who: Basic stats, What: FBSM, Escort, etc., When: availability, Where: location-am I even on the side of the water you want

6. That some guys put ALL providers into one negatively portrayed category, because of their own unfortunate experiences

7. The double standards that at times can overwhelm a topic on these boards



Natalia
Formerly: Eastbay_Natalia

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24. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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19. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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   This pet peeve is a bit more humorous to me than it is annoying.

Lady - Call me when you get close.

Me - Where are you?

Lady - In the Sacramento area.

Me - I know that. But how will i know if i am close? Sacramento is a large area.

Lady - Uhhh... Just call me when you are on your way.

Me - Well if you don't give me the general area i won't be on my way.

And then of course they finally get their head out of their ass and tell me. LOL!!


Another Starr-Company Production

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20. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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Matt, here's an extension of the discussion in your post.

Pink book
http://www.mypinkbook.com/dcforum2/gtalk/5919.html

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25. "RE: Pet Peeves"
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another one: ladies and gents will avoid a lot of problems if ladies could indicate "everything covered" when that is the case, or "french without a translator, everything else covered".

this is just another way to give the "GFE" or RBGFE information with less ambiguity.

Also, I second the request to put good location info. Even if a specific small city would not be mentioned, what we want to know is, how far to your location. East bay and south bay are way to large an area to make that judgment. Let us know a highway interchange near by, or the largest city "near san jose" or "near pinole"

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