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rs5exy
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"Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
 
   So I know that some of the better FBSM providers will ask for references which is quite understandable.

Is there a protocol that should be followed or is this something that is kind of expected?

Do you get offended if a regular of yours has someone call about them as a reference?

Color me curious....

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1. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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In My opinion, girls including myself will ask for a refrence for our safety. But not all the time will I ask for a refrence, because for me, it is really such a hassle to call, even try to get a hold of a lady to verify that someone is legit. Not only that but I used to screen all the time, but once I noticed that some females are not "refrence friendly" It was really a headache. I just always go with my gut, feeling. And no, I never get offended if one of my regulars call someone else, or use me for a refrence for the lady they want to see, because I know every one likes a change once in a while. Hehe. Even Me! I can't have the same we we all the time>*wink*

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2. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I believe the reference system is a great safety net within RB.
I personally screen each and every caller and ask for references from all new clients. This has not always been the case, as I used to not ask for ref. when I first started providing almost 2 years ago. But things have changed considerably in the past 2 years and as I mature within this profession I understand the importance of references. #1 for your continued freedom #2 for physical safety #3 To put a halt to prank and time waster calls.
It just seems like more and more calls are possible LE's especially when they always want to talk prices, even when it is posted on ad plus clearly states NOT to discuss prices when calling. I am hearing of more and more busts and stings this year more than any other year.
I am considered ref. friendly and encourage some of my regular
client to visit other providers to experience variety. Now that I travel thru-out the Central Valley and Bay area I often give names of other providers I know in the area so that my regular hobbyist will have a backup provider if they need one.
JMHO xxx Shannon
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3. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I'm happy to give a reference for just about anyone I've ever seen, as long as he was not a jerk.

All I need is the name the client used with me, the phone number he used to make his appointment with me, and the exact date he saw me. So there is no need for any real identifying information.

Give those three data points to the lady you want to see, and tell her to call me.

Different ladies have different methods; this is just mine. Also you should know that not every lady will accept every reference. In other words, your reference has to be credible. If a particular lady thinks my reputation in the community is not good, for example, she may not accept me as a reference.

I do not require references. I do, however, screen every call.

Gretchen

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4. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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Reference checks are not only critical at this juncture, they serve many positive purposes, not the least of which is contact with other providers. We are sisters within the community and anyone taking a stance of "she's my competition so I won't provide her with information" is simply short-sited. We are NOT on match.com and we are NOT here for exclusive or monogamous relationships. I know my guys are seeing other ladies and I'm happy to give a reference for him. Having the opportunity to connect and chat with other providers as we discuss the safety of a gentleman further bonds us as a community. It's all very good and I am happy whenever I get to chat with another lady.

My experience with references is that the ladies of RB are incredibly quick to respond. It's important to get more than one name and Gretchen's comment about the credibility of the provider is valid. I would suggest giving ladies three or four names if you have them and I am always extremely impressed with an introductory email from a gentleman providing detailed information of his references (RB handle, ad link or number, phone number, date/time/location of last session and how she will remember him) to make it easy for me to contact them and easy for them to recall him and verify him to me. I also read reviews and contact ladies in that way.

The problem is that many of our callers are NOT RB hobbyists. They may be from out of the area and their references are unknown to us. Some do not have handles, or are seldom seeking favors so they may not have seen a lady in 3-6 months and that makes it very difficult for them to get and maintain a foothold for reference purposes. My suggestion to them is to book a couple of FBSM sessions to gain the trust and refernces of ladies who will vouch for them or to sign up with P411, DateCheck or some other website that will keep their information private while allowing a lady to confirm that he is not dangerous or the law.

It's always sad to have to decline a date, but without solid references that can be verified before their requested time, I don't think our safety is anything we can gamble with. For the most part, the callers are respectful and understanding of the need to protect ourselves. Other methods of screening used to be sufficient but with the stings, I don't think that email communication or even face to face meetings prior to a session will suffice any longer. These guys are NOT playing by the rules and unless someone calls them on it and fights the charges, we are subject to this abuse of power and lack of adherence to protocols by le.

xoxo
Ray
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6. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I agree that references are very helpful and support the system full heartedly!

To expand on one of Ray's great points: "Reference checks are not only critical at this juncture, they serve many positive purposes, not the least of which is contact with other providers."

This work can be very isolating and lonely for ladies. But women who particpate in giving and/or asking for references often get to know each other and develop friendships even if only by phone/email/inbox.
This is a huge bonus about references that many don't think of.

My best lady friends have become so thru reference exchanges...
and I adore them

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12. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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My best lady friends have become so thru reference exchanges...

I agree, I have met some wonderful ladies through reference checking.
I like to hear that the ladies are checking them and I never get offended or let my feelings get hurt. I also encourage the guys to taste some of the other deserts on the rb menu!
Acter all 'variety is the spice of life'....


Heather
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5. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I am happy to give a reference and do NOT view it as a slight if one of my regulars needs one to see another lady. I agree with Shannon, I read about busts all the time and I would prefer not to be caught up in the LE roundups, plus my percentage of flakes has been considerably reduced since asking for them.

In most cases if someone is considerate enought to READ the full ad,look over reviews then send his reference he is most likely not a time waster or voice yanker.

Sorry I just view my safety is more important than a quick buck.


The Smartest Diamond on RB.

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16-Aug-10, 02:21 PM (PST)
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7. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I have to agree with everything already said. I am happy to give references for anyone that has seen me. I also encourage my clients to see other ladies so no one gets attached

I clear references for gentleman 3-4 times every week and it makes me feel good that other ladies are actually taking time to check into who they are seeing.

I have had a few use me as a reference that I have NEVER seen or even heard of, they do not get a 'green light' from me because I do remember all that I have seen.

Since requiring references nothing bad has happened, before this quite a few scary things did. I feel great about the reference system.

~Have you tried the Alyssa.Rose.Experience?!~

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rs5exy
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16-Aug-10, 02:35 PM (PST)
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8. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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   Thanks for the replies!

It confirmed what I thought. ( that this is a fairly tight knit community, not a cutthroat one. ).

The feedback and insight is very much appreciated, and welcomed!

And just to reiterate, I'm all for whatever you need to do to keep everything safe and sane.

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9. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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   Just to add to the chorus of the lovely other gals, I too am happy to give references, and do so frequently. If a regular of mine is visiting with someone else, I am always hopeful he'll enjoy himself with her. I'm not worried about someone I've made a strong connection with not returning to see me just because they have fun with another girl. Each of us is unique; I know my established RB friends contact me when they desirous of the particular experience we'll have together.

The informal reference system we have here on RB is one of the very best things about this site, I feel. A large percentage of providers I send queries to reply, and usually promptly. The commitment to mutual safety is inspired and inspiring!

My one slight compliant about references-- and I've been meaning to put up a post about this on pinkbook-- is that 97% of the responses I receive are always the same sentence: "I have seen him he is fine have fun". I'm not at all looking for a play-by-play or juicy details or anything like that, but I do strive to be slightly more informative in my own replies to providers (as I feel that doing so is of greater help & in keeping with my motivation for participating in the reference system in the first place). That said, I am grateful for the email replies I've gotten and shall get to my requests during my time on RB, so THANK YOU to all the lassies who are willing to take the time to write and share your information!

In Red Lipstick and Solidarity,
Miranda.

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20-Aug-10, 06:16 PM (PST)
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17. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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Well put Miranda! Ditto. MIA:)

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10. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I've read some of the posts here which say that ladies might want to "guard" their clients, and therefore might be reluctant to provide references.

Well, if you're a provider and you feel this way, consider this: what happens if you take a long vacation, or retire? Do you expect "your" gentleman to wait around for you? Thanks, I'm already married and doing just that.

I am pretty new to the world of hobbying. I'm not looking for endless variety, actually -- I'd prefer to find an ATF. I've seen three ladies. I went back to visit one of them twice. I'd like to go back to visit her again, but back in June she posted an ad which said, "bye, I'm going on vacation." She also promised she would be raising her rates when she returned, which seemed like a signal that she did indeed intend to come back.

She updated her ad a few times in July, but then she stopped. Now, her ads have lapsed completely. There's a good chance that she has decided not to come back. Another provider is now advertising with her old phone number.

I hope everything is well for her, but if I had known that she had been planning such a long vacation, I would have asked her to be a reference for me before she left. No offense intended to her at all -- if she were around, I'd go see her.

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11. "Dissappearing providers w/no forwarding address."
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   Chemistry-- you have my sympathy and understanding!
I frequently deal with The Case of The Vanished Provider as a large percentage of my clients are fellows who aren't regular hobbyists... They saw "Sally" twice, in November 2009 and March 2010. A pleasant experience was enjoyed by both, and therefore when they contact me, of course "Sally" is the reference they offer-- she's the last gal they visited. I read their email, excited to begin the steps to set up an appointment, & look up "Sally" here on RB. Well, her last ad ran in early April and with the email address she provides (that is, if there even is one) "sugartitties4u@yescort.com", I'm thinking it's probably not one she'll be checking anytime soon if she's moved on from escorting/FBSM+.

Frustrating!

Personally, when I have made a good connection with a new friend, I ALWAYS let them know at the end of our visit that I am happy to be a reference for them, and that their ladyfriend should email me with a day or two's notice. That way my new gentleman caller knows that any time down the road I can be contacted (and I have had queries regarding people I met once, months ago. Many gals want only very current references-- like, someone you've seen in the last six months or so-- but I know that sometimes more than six months or so goes by before you feel like/have the extra income or time for a RB encounter).

Best of luck in discovering new & wonderful ladies, and finding your ATF! And do ask (if it feels right) if a provider will be a reference for you once you have connected with her-- I think the end of a first meeting or a follow up email is totally fine. This can be a very transitory world, and better safe than sorry in that particular department!

xoxo,
MV.

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13. "You are very classy"
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   It shows

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22. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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What do you do when a provider gives a ref for you to some other providers that you would like to try out, then email or call those providers after you get to close and then have a falling out. In affect cock blocking you with those providers? Is this common or just a scorned provider?


If nice guys finish last I guess I'm bringing up the rear.

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14. "I hope"
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   It is my hope that reference transaction is treated as drama free and super courteous zone by all women as it is about safety for all.

For most women it is the only contact they have with the one another.
Perhaps it could be the first step for them to meet and share note and network.

I hope ladies who do not use reference are also treated with respect because they have their own reasons and they do screen clients regardless.


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15. "RE: I hope"
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   I would hope so to.

I also hope that all are treated with respect. ( I know I treat all with respect. must be the midwest upbringing... )

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16. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I always try and give references ASAP. I've definitely had my share of providers who did not return reference info, and it isn't fun. I certainly do not get upset at a client for giving me as a reference. That is just wrong. Hugs, MIA

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18. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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   I dont mind giving references at all. I have a reg that at least once a week, I have to give a reference for him. Sometimes 3 times a week. On top of that, I see him sometimes twice a week, myself. Im usually in awe on how many ladies he goes to see in a week. He's a great guy with a high libido and long pockets. But then I sometimes wonder why does he always choose me for the reference? Since I have been dating him, I have probably been a reference 20 times. Why not ask one of the recent ladies for the reference?
But something I always do...always run to the computer to see who the provider is. Its a must that I see what other types of providers that my clients like. Its my own personal thing that I HAVE to do. Dont fault me for it. Its so of the norm.

I always have this thought that comes to me after I provide a reference, "He'll be back!"

And what happens? They do. Whew

"the Quick $ is now the Slow $"

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19. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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I have no problem being used as a reference, I just wish more ladies were reference friendly.. alot of girls will give you an attitude if you call for a reference check..... but its a good thing for saftys sake

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20. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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   I love the reference system and ladies can feel free to give me a call anytime. I check references myself and it's highly appreciated from the ladies that make the time to exchange the favor. It's the main key for our safety being in a crazy industry definitely if your independent or travel alone. I get a lot of girls that don't know what a reference is or they hang up on me because they hear a female voice. Just want to thank al the ladies who are reference friendly and feel free to contact me. xoxo

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21. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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Not at all:)

I give references gladly!!
xoxox

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23. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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My understanding is that the system is corrupt, that cops use it on both ends. Several girls have reported on the pb that they've been areested by cops posing as clients who provided references.

close your eyes and pretend I'm a girl.

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24. "RE: Providers.... What's your take on giving references?"
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This is true and very scary. Is the alternative not to check and to cross your fingers and hope each time you see a new client that he isn't a rob, rapist, cop? Some of us screen by phone or email or inbox, check reviews, P411 etc., and some girls don't screen at all. Obviously you have to use your best judgment and tighten up your spidey senses. At any rate, I think we need to do whatever we can to protect ourselves and at least asking for and checking references is a step in the right direction with more good than harm coming from it.


xoxo
Ray
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