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"Why would anyone date a girl that says"
 
   No kissing, everything covered?I wouldn't date 95% of girls for free, no matter how good they looked if that's the case.

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1. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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LAST EDITED ON 26-Aug-10 AT 00:51 AM (PST)
 
I could do without the bbbj. Hell, I could do without the bj altogether. But kissing? No way. Even if I was plowing a nasty sea-donkey, my natural sexual instinct would make a move for her lips. Its SEX! Kissing is part of it.

I think girls don't kiss because:

A) Dude is NASTY (bad hygiene, ugly, looks like her dad). But plenty girls won't make out with clean, attractive men either.

B) As one lady once told me: "Its not professional." This is business and kissing is more 'personal.' To which I say: Its business for us guys too. Just because I hold you, caress you, and kiss you like we're on the beach in "From Here to Eternity", it doesn't mean my feelings for you cross the professional level.

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2. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   I guess there must be some people that are cool with those restrictions, as from the posts I read it sure sounds as though a large portion of the ladies have said restrictions. That being said, if I were in the clients position, there is NO WAY I would be remotely turned on, hence wouldn't bother to engage in something so lacking. Kissing and the desire to lick/suck/bite/consume in the lower areas are activities that are so basic yet so carnal and required for it to even be considered sexual activity.

In my opinion, the restricted escort would be like a butcher who was a partial vegetarian and only had poultry and fish in his butcher shop. He just doesn't feel comfortable selling meat products, he says. To that, wouldn't pretty much everyone tell the guy he is in the wrong damn profession if he feels that way? Conclude my use of this metaphor as you appropriate!

I am not ever ungrateful that I was born a girl and never have to be in men's shoes...

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5. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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I agree that different people have different boundaries. Some believe that kissing is too personal, and reserve that for their personal lives.

In my experience, I've found that sex without kissing is very awkward. I naturally want to kiss, and putting that restriction on myself just means that the experience won't be that good for me, even if the lady is a very nice person.

To the OP, if you don't like the services that someone's providing, move on. Simple as that.

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15. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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LAST EDITED ON 26-Aug-10 AT 11:24 PM (PST)
 
Some things some people feel are reserved for love and real relationships. You shouldnt knock those people or THEIR boundries.

To say, you wouldnt be satisfied only shows that you are focused on one part of the experience and rely on risky acts to make your money.

Some of us were taught the proper way to keep ourselves clean in mind and body. Part of that being to establish some sort of boundries and limits on yourself. If I were a client, there is NO WAY I would be remotely turned on seeing a provider who has unprotected or personal acts with 5 strangers before me.

There is no handbook when it comes to this. So Dont salt the game or those in it with your skewed perspective.

"To that, wouldn't pretty much everyone tell the guy he is in the wrong damn profession if he feels that way?"

Some veterans who were in this game while you were in diapers would disagree and tell you that you were mis-instructed and are operating on bad game.

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16. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   I thought you were a GFE girl? I hate to break up a cat fight but I had to ask..

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21. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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LAST EDITED ON 27-Aug-10 AT 04:52 PM (PST)
 
The point is not about what it is I do or dont do during my sessions.

The point is that it IS NOT COOL to make it seem as if having boundries is the WRONG way to do things. OR TO INSINUATE AS IF YOU ARE THE KEEPER OF THE HOE HANDBOOK and others should get out of the business if they dont follow your rules (remember the butcher comment?). Even the tone of the post was meant to downgrade those who do have personal boundries and upgrade those who kiss and do other things that could be considered too personal. Not every cients seeks this type of thing and their are plenty of men out their who would never even think about kissing a provider or exchanging body fluids. Many fetish sessions would never include such intimate acts. So, yes believe those girls are still making money.

When I was introduced to this profession, I was taught by other women who had been in this profession for a long time. They set forth the standard on how to keep yourself from getting emotionally involved, hurt, strung out, robbed or catch a disease. Since then I have adapted those rules to fit what I am personally comfortable with. And, I would never sit here and nock down any girl who decided that kissing or bbbj was not for them.

Some women have come into this line of work by way of clients. Clients telling them, they have to do this or do that in order to make money. Clients who sometimes only had their own interests at heart when talking to new girls in the business. Clients who cant focus on more than that five minutes of pleasure and dont think twice about the providers emotional, spiritual or physical health in 20 years.

I dont give a damn about how book smart you are or how properly you spell or manipulte words. SOME PEOPLE RESPECT THEIR BODIES TOO MUCH TO ALLOW JUST ANYTHING. There is a huge and entire realm of wonderful things one could do without kissing or sucking/ licking whatever. Open your mind and think about all the possibilities. Perhaps some people are just not comfortable with that level of intimacy with EVERYONE!

So again, dont salt the game or those in it with your skewed/ judgemental perspective.

P.S. AnnikaShae, You cant hurt me with words sweetie. I also read your ad and you seem to have a real negative tone about redbook and the people on it. WHY?

When advertising its not necessary to put everyone else down with statements like "ALL THE OTHER GIRLS ON REDBOOK SUCK BUT IM THE BEST" or "YOU REDBOOK GUYS DONT KNOW HOW TO READ SO IM GOING TO PUT IT ON TOP OF MY AD". There are alot of threads about this type of advertising on pinkbook.

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17. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   HA HA HA HA! Damn! Don't get your panties all in a bunch. I am actually laughing out loud and uncontrollably right now. I will play nice and say nothing that came to mind, as I am aware I have a sharp tongue backed by frightening intelligence that is hurtful to others without that being my intent.

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22. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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LAST EDITED ON 27-Aug-10 AT 07:43 PM (PST)
 
Annika, I feel for you for having so much negative stuff happening in your life right now. Perhaps you should show us that frightening intellegence and stop being so negative its not healthy. Especially when you are trying to insult the very people you sit side by side with.

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24. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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Passive aggressive – table for 1!
You are accusing her of being negative - yet YOU were the one that took time to compose a monologue that attacked HER.

She wrote what her OPINION was on the particular question that was posed.

The “HOE” handbook? – I’m sure those seasoned pros you speak on and on about would love that phrase. Are you taking that label back?
“So again, don’t salt the game or those in it with your skewed/ judgmental perspective.”

Hello? NEGATIVE words from you ma’am.

Obviously this hit a nerve with you, but don’t attack someone for expressing their opinions and assume what this person does or does not do with clients.

“P.S. AnnikaShae, You can’t hurt me with words sweetie.”
Wow! Seems like she did hurt you – you took time out of your day to respond and attack her. Those are the actions of the hurt.

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19. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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>Some of us were taught the proper way to keep ourselves
>clean in mind and body.

May be the best line I have read in a long time. If you fail to see the irony in this statement, get a sense of humor.


culo is a culo

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20. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   Culo, you are really making me have an almost impossible time keeping my mouth shut here!!!!

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3. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   LAST EDITED ON 26-Aug-10 AT 07:58 AM (PST)
 
People play completely differently and practice different level of safety. You are in the world of rugged individualism.

For example, fetish and role play doesn't necessarily require BB anything and kissing may not be appropriate in the scene.

It is of-course all based on the niche market

Isn't it a good thing that we are all different?

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4. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   >You are in the world of rugged individualism.

No. Most likely you are in the world of "pimped ho".

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8. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   LAST EDITED ON 26-Aug-10 AT 05:56 PM (PST)
 
>No. Most likely you are in the world of "pimped ho"

I actually never met pimped women and I am pretty proud of it.


Why do you think only in terms of same old vanilla session patterns?
Hobby is much larger and it includes real experts on fetish and role plays. I love using condoms, latex gloves or even dental dam etc. To me they represent kinkiness with good sense of safety and freedom. Plus they make it more REAL than GFE role plays.

I am not here for the simulation of lovers' sex. I had tons of that in my life... thank you.

I am here for things that has little to do with our natural reproductive processes. I am here for the extraordinary theatre of perversion in variety of themes.

As I have mentioned many times, to me the emphasis is on the minds.
As minds are the nastiest and kinkiest source of sex plays.

I am also glad that I am not obsessed with simple sensations.. I get so much more than that from any session I participate in but our priorities are obviously different.

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9. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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LAST EDITED ON 26-Aug-10 AT 06:22 PM (PST)
 
"I actually never met pimped women and I am pretty proud of it."

yeah riiiight!!! none that you knew of perhaps!

BB22

Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!

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23. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   LAST EDITED ON 27-Aug-10 AT 08:16 PM (PST)
 
NO I am 100% certain. I never met a pimped woman as they offer nothing I am interested in. IMHO I think men who meet pimped women.. even by accident are not really interested in meeting women as their equals.

This attitude is also related to the use of covers as well. If you respect what women has to offer beside just the simple sensations and masturbatable body, then you will also respect her safety boundaries.

I am also coming from different perspective as well. I did enjoy giving BBBJ and kissing to SOME men I met in RB but I knew their safety policy and also pretty familiar with their hobby patterns too.

I just find it so moronic to expect women to change their policy by posting " I better get xxx or else" type.. see so many men agree with me" type of nonsense.


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6. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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Well you aren't technically dating her, just humping her briefly sooooo..... It seems odd to YOU since this must be a MUST for you, everyone does not feel that way. I guess with no the kissing and slapping the rubber on for the BJ it feels less real to you and even though you are paying you dont want it to "Feel" that way.

The guy NOT looking for something intimate and understand boundries it won't matter and he will call her anyway. Some guys just want a nut, and kissing a "hooker" aint part of his thing.

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7. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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RON... u must have "escorting" and "dating" mixed up...if you date thru sfrb.... then expect to hear that.......
no kissing and everything covered? if you are on a date and your date tells u that, your next question should be: "how much is your rate" cause chances are, this date is going to cost u.

dre

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10. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   Good post and as far as I can figure the guys who are O.K with no touching are the guys who are happy just to be with a girl..It almost seems that the sex is secondary to the companionship, just my thoughts.

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11. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   > Good post and as far as I can figure the guys who are O.K with no touching are the guys who are happy just to be with a girl


Think again


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12. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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I'm with you, Ron but you would be surprised how many guys are either happy just to be with a girl or paranoid about STD's or just plain want a sport fuck and no intimacy. Different strokes for different blokes.

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13. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   I also agree with CR, I wouldn't even think about dating a girl who says all covered and no kissing..It seems obnoxious for a woman to ask for your money but not want any physical contact.

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14. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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   I'm trying not to criticize but more so to understand the pleasure of such a hygienic encounter..The picture by Pokahu is sexy though.

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18. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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a agree wholeheartedly. Kissing especially is very much part of the erotic foreplay. I feel the same about DATY.

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25. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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LAST EDITED ON 27-Aug-10 AT 08:53 PM (PST)
 
I would. I just wouldn't be payin' em' two or three hundred dollars for the pleasure of their company.

EDIT: Well, not anymore anyway.

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26. "RE: Why would anyone date a girl that says"
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Wow, way to stir up a shit storm, ron.

What I want to know is, how did we get from "no kissing, everything covered" to "no touching, no contact, no physical intimacy"? That's the question in my mind. There is a vast territory of sensory fun and play inbetween those two places. Don't you see it? Unbroken skin (not mucous membrane) is a grand barrier to disease and feels great and can carry a lot of erotic charge between two people who are warming things up. And as po so eloquently pointed out, there are lots of hot things to do besides kissing and ordinary fucking. You just might want to expand your vocabulary about sex.

There's another thing you might want to consider, other than the physical health aspect. If you hobby on a budget, you are seeing how many providers in a year, ten? twelve? maybe more, maybe less, but think about it. We providers see at least ten times that many men, maybe twenty times that many. Do you think we want that many faces mashed up on our lips? Well I don't know, maybe some do, but I don't. I keep certain boundaries for my mental health as well as my physical, YMMV also, and I have a right to run my business the way I see fit.

If you are seeing a woman who has no boundaries, you are seeing a woman who has no mental health. I'm not saying she is going to go crazy, I'm saying she is crazy already. Boundaries are lots of things. They are not just, "no kissing" or "condoms for everything." Boundaries are identity. They are where you stop and the other person begins. They are who you are, your memories, your truth, your authenticity. They are the way you show up in the world. They are your respect for yourself and for the other. Within a woman's boundaries, she is experiencing her own deep real pleasure in her body. Violate her boundaries, and she is shut down and faking it. Is that what you want? I don't know, maybe it is. But if you have ever seen a woman sort of Go Dead during a session, and I bet you have, you have seen a woman who has lost her boundaries and neglected to tell you about it.

We are all in charge of our own boundaries. The responsibility belongs on each. Let's assume no one wants to violate anyone. Then it is up to each of us to check in with ourselves, and constantly to ask our own selves, what do I want right now? Where and how do I want to be touched? How can I show up, really being here, fully present, feeling you. And, I'd like this from you, are you willing? And give it a voice, say so, speak up about it.

A person honors you if they will tell you the truth about what they want and don't want. Without that, you have no connection whatsoever, no intimacy, no contact, no presence, just two robots violating each other without consciousness. And then does an uncovered penis make it any better for you? Maybe, you decide. Your answer will tell you a lot about yourself.

There is constant pressure around here for the women to give up more and more of their bodies for less and less money. That means for her more and more traffic, inevitably. I see and I think I understand the market dynamics, and in this economy some of the women are giving in. Just ask yourself what you want out of this, that's all I'm saying. Just ask.

Gretchen

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