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"How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
 
Service is always better if the server likes you. She doesn't want to lose you as a client, so she may be reluctant to tell you what you're doing wrong. I, however, have no such compunction. So here you go.

Shop at your price point and select who you want, then pay the asking price. Don't bargain. Even if she seems to accept it, don't. She may go along, but you will always get a lower level of attitude and service.

Let her have the lead time she asks for. She is preparing herself and her space to look good and have everything ready for you. Don't ask her to rush that.

Basic etiquette carries over well from normal life into hobby life. Bathe or shower, brush your teeth, be well groomed and dressed, smell good, put on your happy face, be charming, be sweet, flirt, make the provider feel good.

Show up on time.

Use some sensitivity about the way you touch her. Give her a moment to check in with her boundaries before you use your hands. No sudden grabbing and pulling.

Preserve the fantasy by letting her keep her personal life to herself. Don't dig into her by asking things like "Why are you doing this?" "What's your real name?" "How much money do you make?" "Did you have a bad childhood?"

After the session starts, see if you can articulate what you want in a respectful, fun, exciting way. This is the part where you tell her how you like it. Language is good for this.

Let her keep her self-protections in place. Don't ask her to abandon her own safety for a little extra cash.

Express appreciation if she's doing a good job. Language is good for this too.

Don't fall in love. If you do, chill out for awhile and see someone different. Don't think that you can control what the worker does with her free time. A jealous client is soon a former client.

See, it's really not about being a big spender with hunky good looks. The men who are out there having great times are the men who are doing these things. There. The secret is out.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say, you can BE a big spender with hunky good looks, and if you are NOT doing these things, you are not getting the most out of your hobby dollars. You are wasting your money on mediocre sessions with shut-down resentful providers who won't tell you why. And shopping around won't help, because you'll run into the same thing everywhere you go.

Did I think of everything? Is there anything you'd like to add?
Take away? Am I wrong, girls?

Gretchen

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1. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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As I was reading this I was thinking, 'Duh, isn't this OBVIOUS?'

It obviously isn't. Some guys may be new here and this is good info.

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5. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   >As I was reading this I was thinking, 'Duh, isn't this
>OBVIOUS?'
>
>It obviously isn't. Some guys may be new here and this is
>good info.

Same sense I had and because these pointers obviously needed to be said, maybe this should be an anchored thread on the Support: Clueless board.

Very well stated, Ms. Gretchen! Thanks for doing this. So often guys seem to inbox or post whiney gritch sessions and in listening carefully, they're exposed as crass boors that'd give even the most jaded of people - not just ladies - the heebiejeebies.

Gretchen ROCKS.

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2. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 11:16 AM (PST)
 
Great Post, Gretchen.
I have a few counters and they are not yours, just general for the ads, especially newer ones.
I am a sucker for new ones, TOFTT...

>Service is always better if the server likes you. She
>doesn't want to lose you as a client, so she may be
>reluctant to tell you what you're doing wrong. I, however,
>have no such compunction. So here you go.
>
> Shop at your price point and select who you want, then
>pay the asking price. Don't bargain. Even if she seems to
>accept it, don't. She may go along, but you will always get
>a lower level of attitude and service.


Not all ads specify the rates or correct rates. Nor location or at lease close.
I always have a set budget and will stau with that, no neg from me, but impossible to find out unless call.
Location as well, I have a specific location and has to be close, most ads states cities that all the way from North to south bay.


>
> Let her have the lead time she asks for. She is
>preparing herself and her space to look good and have
>everything ready for you. Don't ask her to rush that.


Of course.


>
> Basic etiquette carries over well from normal life into
>hobby life. Bathe or shower, brush your teeth, be well
>groomed and dressed, smell good, put on your happy face, be
>charming, be sweet, flirt, make the provider feel good.

Always.


>
> Show up on time.
>
> Use some sensitivity about the way you touch her. Give
>her a moment to check in with her boundaries before you use
>your hands. No sudden grabbing and pulling.
>
> Preserve the fantasy by letting her keep her personal
>life to herself. Don't dig into her by asking things like
>"Why are you doing this?" "What's your real name?" "How much
>money do you make?" "Did you have a bad childhood?"
>
> After the session starts, see if you can articulate
>what you want in a respectful, fun, exciting way. This is
>the part where you tell her how you like it. Language is
>good for this.
>
> Let her keep her self-protections in place. Don't ask
>her to abandon her own safety for a little extra cash.
>
> Express appreciation if she's doing a good job.
>Language is good for this too.
>
> Don't fall in love. If you do, chill out for awhile and
>see someone different. Don't think that you can control what
>the worker does with her free time. A jealous client is soon
>a former client.
Can't help this there.... Guilty every time...
>
>See, it's really not about being a big spender with hunky
>good looks. The men who are out there having great times are
>the men who are doing these things. There. The secret is
>out.
>
>In fact, I'd go so far as to say, you can BE a big spender
>with hunky good looks, and if you are NOT doing these
>things, you are not getting the most out of your hobby
>dollars. You are wasting your money on mediocre sessions
>with shut-down resentful providers who won't tell you why.
>And shopping around won't help, because you'll run into the
>same thing everywhere you go.
>
>Did I think of everything? Is there anything you'd like to
>add?
>Take away? Am I wrong, girls?
>
> Gretchen

Always Seeking.

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3. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   curious777

Super post from a super lady. No surprise there. You are a sweetheart, Gretchen, and we hobbyists are lucky to have your advice. We should recognize, however, that there are sometimes problems with no donation posted in a provider's ad, vague locations indicated, and that nagging problem about "references, " so there are things that providers could do to "get the most out of their clients" too.I totally agree that trying to bargain is a formula for disaster but in a way, some providers invite this by not posting a donation. It doesn't have to be an air-tight amount but we need a ball park figure surely so that we are not calling up some $300---and on up lady. And also "Screening? Sometimes." is a kind of come on, a coy little tickle that we could do without.
But you are right on and you have set the standard we should be shooting for. Actually, it's in our best interests and not just some "providers' rules" that you are laying down, for following a few of these simple suggestions gets us all a much better session in the end.

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4. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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Great post for the rookies.

Live. Love. Play. Relax.

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6. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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Gretchen, thank you for posting this! I agree wholeheartedly!

It is always a bummer when a client does not respect my boundaries. For instance one client won't respect that my nipples are very sensitive, that I only enjoy light french kissing, and that hickeys are not acceptable. By not respecting my wishes I get very tense, and tend to try to rush the session. If he did respect them I would relax, and enjoy myself thereby improving and extending the session. Yes, he is paying, but I am a human being not a robot.

Another point is that I do not post my rates, but after reading this post I will give it some more thought.

Thank you,
Sydnee


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7. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   There are so many obvious things we should know, but a lot of people just missed that lesson. People don't have common courtesy anymore, and they only think about themseles.

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8. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/User_files2/z8t2w4cwa5kxr0c9.jpg

I think that should be a locked thread in "How to see an Escort 101"

Tami xoxo

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21. "RE: common courtesy"
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   As ngfsmale has pinpointed, the "obvious" courtesies are frequently ignored, within the hobby arena and outside of it too.

I vote with those who recommend anchoring this thread. The rules are the rules, and it may help to have them written in plain sight.

After all, it's a win-win for both parties when the client observes the niceties.

Three cheers for RB -- California's character-building resource

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9. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   OMG, on another thread I just posted that there are more beautiful ladies with good service on RB than he could shake his stick at and then I run accross this. I'm coming to Santa Cruz, Monterey or where ever. Hope to see you soon.

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12. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 08:39 PM (PST)
 
Sydnee my dear,
OOOOMG...you young lady are DDG!!!!!!!

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16. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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Polar Watch, I had to look up "DDG". Thank you! You are very sweet, and you even gave me beers!!! That is a very high compliment coming from a man!

Kisses,
Sydnee

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10. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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See, I did forget one. I hate to say it, but:

Get dressed and say goodbye when your alloted time is over.

You might not think that a lady will remember this, but she will.

Gretchen

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11. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   And DON'T turn around and yell THANK YOU when you are out the door!! lol

Tami xoxo

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14. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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from the front porch:
THANK YOU TAMI !!! YOU GIVE A HELL OF A HAND JOB !!! I'LL CALL YOU NEXT TIME I'M IN TOWN !!!

Gretchen

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18. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   YOU GIVE A HELL OF A HAND JOB !!! I'LL CALL YOU NEXT TIME I'M IN TOWN !!!


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Tami xoxoxox

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15. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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> And DON'T turn around and yell THANK
>YOU
when you are out the door!! lol
>
>Tami xoxo

Yeah! You hear that lovenastyfun, take notes...sheesh, some people never learn.

Live. Love. Play. Relax.

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13. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   LAST EDITED ON 01-Sep-10 AT 08:39 PM (PST)
 
I think the client really do some soul searching and getting to the bottom of what he is seeking would save a lot of time and money for him.
Actually an excellent provider would help clients clarify his desires if he is willing to listen.

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17. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   Sometimes it is necessary to remind people to respect boundaries, try to make common courtesy more common, and to enjoy the experience for what it is. But in the spirit of operating on a level playing field it is not only the "client" who needs to be reminded there are rules of engagement.

Providers need to realize that clients are trying to make decisions based on the copy contained in the provider's ad and the limited conversation when setting the appointment. We understand the necessity for being cautious and carefully selecting our words. So the providers should not be offended if a boundary is crossed when it was not clearly defined.

Providers who are disingenuous in their marketing efforts (fake, stolen, old or significantly retouched photos and stating services are included when they are not) should be understanding if a client's attitude changes during a session when he/she was lead to believe specific amenities they were expecting are being denied for no other reason than it was actually a form of bait and switch.

Nor should a provider who has employed such unscrupulous tactics be offended if the client decides to renegotiate. If I spend the money on a benz there's no way I am going to accept a Honda.

You say clients should "... shop at their price point ... and then pay the asking price." I agree and think it is even more important that providers remember what they write in their ad in regards to price and service. I don't know how many times I have contacted a provider and set an appointment based on price and service only to hear the provider say something like, "Oh, that was an old ad ..." or "... that special only applies to ...". That is crap! If you post it ... honor it or remove it.

Providers should put the cell phone away and turn it off, or to silent mode, after they have arrived and checked with their safety person. The client is paying a premium price for the provider's time. Answering calls and or sending text messages is wasting the client's time. Plus it is just friggin' rude.

Speaking of time ... if the client compensates the provider for an hour it is not okay to just get up and leave after 30 minutes. That is unless the client agrees. Maybe the client's SO will be arriving soon and they want to introduce you.

Providers should respect the client's privacy (boundaries) just like they want the client to respect theirs. Don't rifle through the medicine cabinet if you use the lavatory. The contents are none of your business. If the provider decides to look around they should not be offended if the client looks through their purse. (I can't believe I said that ... yuk! But hopefully you get my point.)

Please understand that I am not saying this with hostility or with malice. It is just that I think there's more than one way to look at this hobby and perspective is important. I say this because I follow the guidelines you put up and even go several steps further to try and insure the time spent together is comfortable and fun. But I have experienced everything I have mentioned and worse.

Hopefully clients will heed your words and providers will consider mine. I'm not foolish enough to think they will make a difference. But maybe they will be considered.


3rail

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19. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   Very well said 3rail!
I have experienced the very same things myself.
I certainly wish providers will consider your suggestions.
There is absolutely no malice intended or implied on my part either.
I have had a couple of hundred dollars removed from my wallet by a well known provider.When confronted,I give credit that she admiited and said that it was an act of desperation and that she would make up for it.Never did and always avoided me .

I make it point not not take the following three things with me.

1.Wallet
2.Watch.
3.Sunglasses
Same reaason I do not invite anyone to my home.
Long time back "In the days of King Arthur" I made the mistake.
The provider had an'evil' eye on my artificats......expensive ones collected almost from around the world.
I said to her ........if you like anyhting please let me know;but please do not steal while I am in the bathroom.
Again I am not quoting any names,place day or date.Just an experience......and no malice,malining or insult implied.

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23. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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Okay but what about the guy who books an hour, pops in half, says he's under the gun for time or can't pop twice, and then says "How much do I owe you?"

What about putting your money down upon entry and not having to be asked for it?

What about not asking for a special price when we're not running specials? It seems that by running specials, we are essentially lowering our rates across the board as far as the mongers are concerned.

I too say this with no malice but I absolutely HATE negotiating or having to ask for a donation. Hate it, hate it, hate it and it makes me feel uncomfortable and absolutely is in the back of my mind if it isn't given without comment at the beginning. Do you really want your lady worrying about the money????

xoxo
Ray
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20. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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xoxo

Xena Zen

So on the mark and well said.

Thanks!

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22. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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I think some of what has been listed becomes apparent for many guys with age, and might I say maturity. That’s why I think many providers prefer older clients.

Another point is, don’t take it personally if you just don’t click. Sometimes the chemistry isn’t there and you never get comfortable with each other.

Don’t walk through the door with your shoulders up and your chest out like you’re a member of the WWF. You’re a stranger to her, and if you’re trying to look intimidating it just might work in ways you never bargained for. Try to enter the room relaxed, smiling, and make eye contact. A hug and kiss (if she’s receptive) are good way to test the waters, it helps to break the ice. Take some time to chat, at times a little giggling can set a nice tone for the rest of the session.


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24. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   Lot's of good stuff in this thread from both the provider and hobbyist point of view. What definitely works for me is mutual respect. I think about some of the reasons I've become a regular of many ladies and also why I never go back even if a session was excellent. Definitely a fine line on both ends of the spectrum. Something as simple as communication before and after the session goes a long way. I've had favorites call, text, or inbox just to say "hi". I've had others do the same only when they want something.

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25. "RE: How to Get the Most Out of your Provider"
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-Sep-10 AT 03:50 PM (PST)
 
I like it all, but I disagree with one point.

Don't fall in love with a provider.

There are many different varations of love. Not the stalking,choking and strugging love, I agree.
But, love that a gentlemen has for a provider, whom he truly apprecites and it's shown through his love.

For example,'bedryder' a former redbooker who is my bestfriend and I love him, he loves me too( and a few more RB gentlemen I love and visa versa).
If he had taken notice in this post,(doubt he would though) I would have missed out on his friendly love and appreciation. So, in every case, it's all so different and variable. I don't like rules at all, yes, guidelines but rules seem to put me back into the real world, and that's not why I am here.

Yes, VERY basic stuff, be on time, but if you have to tell a gentlemen,teach him to be on time,--I can only imagine what an issue he would be, or her..no thank you-, and I actually have no time to teach someone how to act and mannerisms..I would rather tie them up and use my own approach ...for that basic stuff..

SaVoy

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