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Maybe I should pose as an undercover victims to see what exactly they say to me. I wonder if I'll have to sleep with these women in order to get any help, that would fun to get on tape...right? Who'd pay me to do that? I'll tell them I'm seventeen...

There's no doubt, it's definitely a slippery slope and once you've put one foot on it by responding to their demands you're very likely to slide all the way to the bottom, which in this case would be the elimination of the adult services and adult gigs sections.

"And I have long been an advocate of filming certain people, all those a Eliott Spitzers are out there just waiting to be exposed and defrocked, fired, discriminated against...but you know, firing spitzer didn't stop in the gloria stienums' from getting continuing to pimp the poverty...and those are the women who need to be discredited more than the men. And the only way to do that is to cut us loose on those women. They need to made to face those of us who've been make suffered the brunt of their flawed false and misleading policies."

I'm telling you, filming is the way to go. Catch a couple of these holier-than-thou types with their trousers around their ankles gettin' head from some street ho and then let's see how vocal they remain. As with all those fundamental preachers who so self-righteously inveighed against the sins of the flesh, the ones that are the loudest are the ones most likely engaging in the most deviant sex acts. Just think if a few of those Roman Catholic Choir boys had had a cell phone cam when Father Pedo Perv was plying them with sacramental wine and sucking their tiny pre-pubescent dicks! That shit would have come to an end in the U.S. far sooner than it actually has. I say, "Film them all and let God sort them out!"

close your eyes and pretend I'm a girl.

CL pic: a bunch of dumb asses on the job

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Little did they know who they affected the whole underground for providers/escorts.

Now you can post the word escort in CL ads, it is so fucked up. Many ads have massage now. It bounces back and forth from this word to that word. Now you can get busted for light GFE.

This Norma Ramos and her group are delusional. They are making generalizations about prostitution that are ridiculous: She said that prostitution is a form of oppression, that all prostitutes are a result of abusive circumstances, poverty, drug addiction, sexual abuse, or forced labor. I and the women I know in this business do not possess nor have ever experienced any of these. Not they don't occur in the population, but it is not the norm in my circle.

Norma and her group do not see the difference between exploitation of women, and self empowerment that this choice gives us. If they want to be effective in stopping oppression and child exploitation then by all means go for it, but leave me and the droves of women and men who enjoy this lifestyle in a safe manner alone!

~syd

Amen, sister! Several times in that hour-long discussion, Ms. Ramos cited what seemed to me to be bogus, made-up statistics to support her claims and conclusions. After an articulate provider called in to express an opinion very similar to yours, Ms. Ramos stated that only 1% of the women engaged in the P4P biz were empowered, independent women working in the biz of their own accord. She dodged the question of where she was getting that stat and dodged others as well.

For folks like her, prostitution is by definition degrading and exploitative of women, so whatever evidence there is in reality to counter that fantasy just doesn't alter her perception or views.

Just as with the issue of illicit drugs, it's the demand that fuels the biz and no amount of police enforcement or penalties are going to substantially reduce that demand. The only approach worth considering in both cases is one of harm mitigation. In the case of drugs, it is clear that certain intoxicants/euphorics (e.g., inhalants, crank, alcohol) have much more serious health and impairment consequences than others, such as cannabis. In the case of P4P, of course everyone with any conscience and basic human caring does not want women to be trafficked and exploited for any reason, and minors should never be allowed to be exploited. Women who choose to make a living by selling their bodies, but who do so only because of economic hardship, should be given assistance, education, child care, etc. instead of being targeted for arrest and exploitation by the criminal "justice" system.

The only part that Ms. Ramos had right was her support for the Swedish model, which goes after pimps and traffickers instead of the girls. Start there in the U.S. and you've got my attention. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of BS at volume.

close your eyes and pretend I'm a girl.