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melaniebanks
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"Basic Thoughts?"
 
   http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-06/us/new.york.ground.zero.mosque_1_american-muslims-ground-zero-mosque?_s=PM:US

I'm sure anyone who turns on the TV knows about the topic, but I just watched a 90 minute special on the topic and was curious to know what people's thoughts are?

-Melanie

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1. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   First off, it's a cultural center, not just a mosque.

"The project calls for a 13-story community center including a mosque, performing art center, gym, swimming pool and other public spaces."

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2. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   That doesn't really state an opinion. Just a restatement of the facts. I believe the lady asked for an opinion- F**K THE MOSQUE/CULTURAL CENTER! No need to build it directly there.

Now, I believe THAT would be an opinion.

UH

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3. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   What does "directly there" mean? You do realize they're not building on the WTC site, but more than 2 blocks away where Muslims have been worshipping for years. How many blocks are appropriate? And, while you're at it, how many blocks distance shall we require churches to be from reproductive health clinics Christians bomb?

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4. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   Years? And where exactly is that proof? Also, why wait until AFTER 9-11 to start building it.

To answer your 2nd question- far enough so it doesn't happen again.

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5. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   If they can buy the property and the use conforms to local land use regs, then build it. Same for tittie bars and gay clubs.

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6. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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I can totally understand why some people would not want it built there but I think its fine i dont think its a problem ~Nani Bankz~

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7. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   I can't believe i'm reading this here on redbook, I don't watch network news because of this type of over sensationalized/hyped shit now i have to hear about it here too.

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8. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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The amount of ignorance generated around this issue by the press has been astonsishing.

As was mentioned earlier, it's a cultural center, not a mosque. There's a big difference.

Additionally, people seem to confuse Al Quaeda as being the same as Muslims. They are different. 9/11 was the work of Al Quaeda. So, what does the typical, church going, peaceful Muslim resding in NYC have to do with 9/11? Unless they also belong to Al Quaeda, probably nothing.

Lastly, this would have (and should have) remained a local issue in New York had it not been for cable news and their never ending thirst for creating strife. The press and self-centered politicians have built this up to ludicrous proportions.

Just my 2 cents......

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9. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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Let me first say that I am a proud citizen of this country and a veteran, U.S. Army. I love this country without question, the people, the places, the way of life that was given to us, paid for in blood.

It offends me on a visceral, blood level. You can't burn down my house, run up your flag and then say why can't we just get along.
There's sometimes a difference between whats legal and whats right. It may be Legal to put it there but it will never ber Right.

Those who think this is a property rights issue, or religious rights issue are chooseing to ignore whats right there in front of them. Meaning, that big f***ing hole in the ground that was filled with the blood and memories of our own brothers and sisters. There, once stood Twin Towers of American hope, shouting to the world that Here, We Can. We owe them better than that.

When Mohammed Atta and his kin where crashing those planes their last words were "Allah Al Akbar". Will that be the echo we hear as they raise their flag over the sacred ground of our innocent fallen?

One Man's Opinion

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15. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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>Let me first say that I am a proud citizen of this country
>and a veteran, U.S. Army. I love this country without
>question, the people, the places, the way of life that was
>given to us, paid for in blood.
>
>It offends me on a visceral, blood level. You can't burn
>down my house, run up your flag and then say why can't we
>just get along.
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Well, thats where you're letting yourself being TOLD what to think, instead of thinking for yourself, gets in the way.

WHO were the terrorists? They were far from mainstream muslims..just as the spanish inquisition was far from mainstream Christianity.

I will never understand why thats so HARD for some people to understand.

If -you- wanna holy war SJ-Steve, you're welcome to enlist in some private army and fight for this on YOUR terms, but thats not what the US is doing..so get over it.

You dont get to wrap yourself in the flag, and then pervert the message into something it isnt.


"When Mohammed Atta and his kin where crashing those planes their last words were "Allah Al Akbar". Will that be the echo we hear.."
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That's the echo you WANT to hear, but it's not the statement that the faith makes, whatsoever.

Stop being a xenophobic cretin, and stand up for what you SAY you believe in, no what others have contorted you to believe in for them.


>There's sometimes a difference between whats legal and whats
>right. It may be Legal to put it there but it will never ber
>Right.
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Says you, and you fought for that right. Respect it.

>Those who think this is a property rights issue, or
>religious rights issue are chooseing to ignore whats right
>there in front of them.
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And what EXACTLY is that, right in front of the rest of us that only you can see?

Thing is, you are unable to put your finger squarely on the 9/11 atrocities on ANY religion, just madmen perverting a message to fit their own personal requirements.

Like you are.


>Meaning, that big f***ing hole in
>the ground that was filled with the blood and memories of
>our own brothers and sisters. There, once stood Twin Towers
>of American hope, shouting to the world that Here, We Can.
>We owe them better than that.
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Yes, we owe them the honesty to treat this issue in a rational manner. Not a hyperbolic emotional one driven by political fear.

You're -using- 9/11, not respecting it.

>One Man's Opinion
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Fair enough, but with zero backing facts...and that's where politic gets dangerous...and we have you to thank for it.


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16. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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No Steve...the thread you wanna respond to is -here-.

Not my inbox.

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17. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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LAST EDITED ON 13-Sep-10 AT 01:50 AM (PST)
 
Sorry, still learning, thanks.

One Man's Opinion

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10. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   Most people are effing stupid. Period. Of those people their thoughts/ belief are mostly based from fear, ignorance and religion. As a native American myself who admittedly has a distaste for oragnized religion, one of the innate beauties of America is it's being a melting pot of culture and thought. To shun Muslims or any (in my opinion, stupid ass) religions, for any reason, is anti American. Let them be, let them pray. You are god damn ignorant and have no justification for your self righteousness if you see it just to keep these Muslims from creating a holy place on or near ground zero. Jesus did not die to make the US safe for Christians. This land ought be free for us all.

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11. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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It's quite possible that this will all blow over eventually, the bluster and emotion eventually subsiding into a faint memory.

Or it might get burned to the ground by an arsonist. It depends on how similar we are to our adversaries.

Neither outcome would be terribly surprising. It is definitely a provocative endeavor.

-- Bronze

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12. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   We weren't attacked by Islam. We were attacked by a radical faction of Muslims. I would hope we wouldn't judge all of them by the action of a few, anymore than I hope they don't judge all of us when this dickhead in Florida has his Quarran (sp?) burning party. Organized religion has been at the root of most of the world's wars and troubles since day 1... Frankly, I'm sick of it.

Dopey Rodney King said it best, "can't we all just get along"! No... because someone always has to control or dominate someone else... and the US is just as bad about that as anyone.

I personally don't think they should build their community center mosque there, even though they can. Just because you can do something doesn't make it a good idea. I hope they exercise some restraint and take Trump's offer. He'll give them what they paid for the property +25% and they can built it somewhere else, at least 5 blocks away. That won't satisfy many, but damn what happened to tolerance? Muslims were killed in the buildings during 9/11 and muslim rescuers were killed trying to save people there too. Why do we always have to reduce everything to a sporting event mentality "Christians VS Islam" winner take in the octogon!

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13. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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It's more like "Muslims vs Infidels."

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14. "RE: Basic Thoughts?"
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   Here's the bottom line...Anything the hardcore right(Rednecks) are against, I am for..If you live your life doing the opposite of what they preach, you'll be the happiest person around..They are against it, therefore I am for it.

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