Thank you both for your well thought out comments. For the most part this forum is populated with people like yourselves who have a well balanced outlook on life and the relationships with others. Treat others with respect and they will generally return it in kind.

As for deleting the inflammatory posts right away, we would certainly like to do that when possible. Unfortunately we are not here 24/7. I'm only here an average of one hour per day and Kathy maybe a few hours a day except for the present time while she is recovering from her injuries.

I didn't see Main_st's post until 6 hours later and by that time the thread was half full. Since many of the replies were good ones I decided to just post my own reply and let it go at that. The thread has since filled up with 25 posts and automatically locked. I could delete the entire thread if people want me to, but I think leaving it up shows an example of good dialogue where many have posted their points of view on the subject. For the same reason, I left Vanity's "Upcoming Tour" thread up even though it got hijacked halfway through.

We mods also have the ability to request that Redbook delete certain handles which are particularly troublesome. That approach sometimes works but in many cases the offending party simply comes back under another handle.

Feel free to inbox me or Kathy if you feel we should take a more pro-active approach in deleting posts or threads, keeping in mind our time limitations in seeing the offending posts as mentioned above.

Thanks

Deanna

There's really no way to define these terms, and really no need. To do so is judgmental and exclusionary. It's cool that there are plenty of folks here that stood up and took issue with the attacks made.

Love as thou will.

Gwenyth

I too am saddened to see the division between TS and TV being brought up again in the forum. As a "weekend" TV I count many people on all points of the TG "spectrum" that Gwenyth and Leeanna have mentioned as very good friends of mine.

I have to respectfully disagree with the views of some who think Divas is populated by more TV's than TS's and that the TV/TS forum here in RB is being overrun by gay boys. It's exactly the opposite from what I see here on the board and at Divas, and that's exactly how it should be. This forum is specifically for the reviews of TG working girls and their admirers. The fact remains that the vast majority of interest here is for TS's who are beginning or in full transition (including post-ops). We are in total agreement with that fact and I for one am in admiration of those who have the courage to transition.

As Kathy said, I wore pants to work. But since I've retired it no longer applies even though I wear pants at home a lot now

Deanna

MRB is not only a forum for TGs and TVs and their admirers to hook-up, but also an adult entertainment forum. In the AE industry, the hotties get the attention, not so much the notties.

Ever been around the sex industry (a.k.a., Van Nuys, CA) long?

Things get ugly pretty quick. For people who are going through a sex-reassignment and transition, MRB should be only a minor part of that change (not the whole darn thing). Not everyone one who goes through transition is a sex-worker; some users here tend to forget that.

P.S. TSKelsa's pic makes her look like an LJ-camhoar; don't take offence at the term. LJ-camhoars (on 4chan) are genuine femanons (anonymous genuine girl users). This means U = hawt.

<face-dance>

If someone has never said an unkind word to you, reciprocate.

Never believe third party disparaging remarks.

Smile a lot, and think the best of everyone as much as they will let you.

Never think yourself any better than the next person.

If someone is being really negative, maybe something is going on in their lives that may benefit from a little empathy.

Just my thoughts...

To Vanity Haze! I don't know you and never have a chance to meet you in person. Here is some advices that I have learned from other people. Life's tough and consideration like you are in a jungle. Watch your back wherever you go. Be yourself and be strong. Never do anything against your will, because it will haunt you later on in life. Live your life with integrity. Always smile no matter what people say. Sometimes negative criticism is very useful in life, because it helps you to grow and become stronger person.

Sadly, that seems to be a human tendency in -any- group that has their back to the wall, and is socially ostracized, outcast, or in general faces a lot of social stigma/prejudice. It just happens. The LGBT community is no special exception in this.

As to the ts/tv world being the worst amongst this, well, we tend to be the ones that face the highest levels of prejudice, -if- we are spotted. Just in general, and just my perspective. This is a factor. But in response to your accusation that 'genetic guys who transition are more hormonal and far bigger drama hysterics than the women they aspire to be', first off your phrasing is, frankly, a little insulting. It might just be me, I might be being oversensitive, but your focus on 'genetic guys' and 'the women they aspire to be' seems to almost scoff at the notion that TS women are, first and foremost, -Women-. Period.

Second, look again. Don't compare the TS girls you see to your average woman. Compare them to your average 15 year old girl. Suddenly things make a whole heck of a lot more sense.

The Ts girls that are -noticeable- as Ts tend to be fairly early in their transition. Those who are pros are very often fairly early too. Going on hormones is practically identical to going through puberty. It tends to drive one a little batty, and yeah, they're going to act hormonal and occasionally 'hysterical'(ironic phrasing considering the etymology), because all these hormones are new. Again, teen girls tend to be just as, if not more loopy.

Every Ts woman I've known for any length of time goes through a phase of being hormonally off-kilter for a bit, but they all also pan out after a while. It's nothing strange, nor ironic. It's absolutely natural, normal, and if you think about it, totally unsurprising. It's something -All- women go through.

I think you're a pretty cool character in most cases on the forums, and I've enjoyed talking with you. But you've made comments much like this before, and each time it kinda grates on a nerve for me. You strike me as being a little judgmental yourself, standing outside of something you don't understand and making tsk, tsk comments. I imagine you mean well, but it feels patronizing and kind of belittling.

Anyway,

Love as thou will.

Gwenyth

Throwing all this into the mix that Syn5 mentions. That the sex industry just tends to have a lot of this. Wandering through pinkbook one starts to note that a certain degree of infighting just pervades the industry. Mix in the whole 'internet turns people into monsters' phenomena, and this forum actually starts to look very, very civil all told. We get some 'cattiness'(dislike that phrase) on occasion, but I think things here stay calmer, more positive, and more civil than most of the rest of RB, actually.

We love you mods.

Love as thou will.

Gwenyth

Your observations about comparing transitioning TS's to 15 year old girls is educational and helpful.

"...I might be being oversensitive, but your focus on 'genetic guys' and 'the women they aspire to be' seems to almost scoff at the notion that TS women are, first and foremost, -Women-. Period."

I think you might be being oversensitive. I'm just being real -- TSs are still genetic guys, from a medical POV. I understand why they think of themselves otherwise, and speak of themselves otherwise, and I generally support their sentiments, but science simply does not support that. So though it may be insulting, my reference is still accurate. I don't rub it in, but I won't completely surrender to the premise that a person is biologically distinct from what he or she biologically is.

Be the change
you wish to see

The point is your focus. Instead of Ts women, your say 'genetic guys who hormonally transition'. You go out of your way to emphasize the difference between ts women and 'the women they aspire to be'. With the notion that though may aspire to be -like- women, they never actually will be.

Frankly, there's more to gender than genetics. Period. A person -is- biologically distinct from their DNA code. Dna is a starting point, and then life happens. Biologically, I'm female in most fashions. The manner that my cells are currently interacting with one another, the manner my brain functions on a biological level, the general operation of my endocrine system, are far more biologically female than they are male.

Sure, I'm genetically male(probably), but so what? I'm a woman. Your focus on the notion that this is just something I like to tell myself that 'science just doesn't support' is nonsense, and insulting. Science doesn't define gender. It's a social construct.

And yes, you did seem to be trying to rub it in, along with calling us catty, immature and hysterical. It adds together into something rather ugly.

Love as thou will.

Gwenyth