OK first off, I'm not some "God" as some have mentioned to me in the inboxes. I'm just a normal guy, fairly attractive, a little above average looking white guy, not some hunk or "Bronze God" or anything like that. Hell, I've got a bit of a tire (normal for a guy my age), but I carry my weight well. One thing you have to remember is most women aren't into purely physical attraction as much as we are, haven't you ever noticed how ugly guys can still PU babes? It’s not because of their package, it’s their attitude, the way they carry themselves, the way they make a woman feel, it's not rocket science. Women in general care more about what you say, how you say it, and they way you present yourself than if you're a hunk. And if a woman is interested mostly in appearance you're not going to get anywhere anyway, so don't sweat it and move on. This is the real world; the key is how you handle rejection, if you're in a bar or other social setting, and come up and speak to a girl, she might shoot you down or be receptive, the key is numbers and not letting rejection take you out of your game plan. If you're smacked down, you come up with a quick come back and leave gracefully and move on to the next one without letting anyone see you sweat. Remember nothing ventured nothing gained, if you don't make a move, no matter how good looking you are, they're not going to come to you, you must be THE man and instigate the interaction. It's the same on CL.

I used to sell used cars and before that stereo equipment and had much sales training which can be directly applied to picking up women, only YOU are THE product you're selling. In sales, the keys are preparation, prospecting, meeting and greeting, qualifying: to learn the "hot buttons" of your prospect, building value in your product relating to their hot buttons, trial closing, overcoming objections, then closing. In most cases you may have to repeat the final few steps until you break her will to resist. Remember most women want to get laid too. They just go about it differently. It's up to you to figure out how to unlock her and get her to reveal the things that turn her on. Then use what you've learned to trigger positive emotional responses that you intern associate with yourself. Women are into FEELING things; we are into SEEING things. You must make her FEEL comfortable first, so she'll open up, then stimulate the pleasure centers of her mind by getting her to tell you about what she FEELS when she's in pleasurable situations. Then you gradually begin to try and trigger those same FEELINGS by CONTROLLING the conversation. You don't talk about yourself, the less she knows about you the better, and women are intrigued by "mystery men". When you do speak do it deliberately in a soothing deep tone saying only positive uplifting things directed towards moving the conversation to where you want it to go; and NEVER mention problems, past relationships or anything that could even remotely be construed as negative. You want her to do the talking, you listen and make mental notes, if you direct the conversation SHE will tell you how to seduce her, if you listen and stay on target.

You must control the conversation, just as in an ad response you must be in control. Women want strong confident self-assured men, they don't want egotistical or week ones. So you must present yourself that way, and whatever you do; don't supplicate to them, it's THE biggest sign of weakness, which they subconsciously associate with unworthiness. It’s the equivalent of becoming a client to a provider. You can never make a second first impression. Believe it or not a woman usually knows within a minute or two if you're some one who will always be just a friend or if you have potential. It's up to you to not be a friend by what you say, do, and how you appear. For example the very worst pick up technique in the universe is to go up to a woman or group and offer to buy drinks, as this is immediate supplication. They will gladly accept, maybe speak with you for a couple of minutes out of obligation then split the moment a chance arises. If she wants a drink suggest SHE buy you one, or maybe a round and say you'll get the next. You don't want to buy anything for a woman until AFTER you've slept with her and that includes dating. Go Dutch instead. After you've boned her, it's OK to wine and dine her because you've already established your dominance, so you're the one in control and can be as romantic and chivalrous as you want to be.

On to CL.... Ok, I look at this step as the prospecting phase. Just as in selling a product, you must build an intangible value in what you say, so that you pique their interest in responding to you. So what have I been looking for in ads to respond to? First, don't reply to any ads that ask for pictures of your tool, these are usually gay guys who want pictures to wank to. Don’t respond to an ad that could possibly be a pro or pro-am. Read posts on all three CL boards W4M, Encounters, and Services. You’ll notice the posts that sound similar between the boards. If a post on Encounters sounds similar to one on Services, she’s a pro and to be avoided. On the other hand if a post on W4M sounds similar to one on Encounters, that’s a great prospect because by posting on encounters it shows she’s ready and available to play right now as soon as you pass her screening process. Multiple postings, many of these girls place ads every day sometimes even several times a day. You don’t want to post to the same girl multiple times with your modified “generic” response, as that will blow you out of the water. Look deeply onto the boards, research them, after reading hundreds of them you’ll start to notice the women who are posting repeatedly. Once you’ve deduced this only reply to one of her posts. Err on the side of caution, it’s better missing another girls legitimate posting, than to post the same response multiple times to the same woman. She might turn around and post on CL that you’re a creep or something and blow your game out of the water. There are certain times of the day when CL seems to be most viewed (secret). If you place your own ad, this is the time of day to do it. And it’s also the best time to reply, the best ads will get many responses so you want to respond as soon as it gets on the board, so you don’t get swallowed under the avalanche. Face it; what are the odds she’s going to read all of the replies if she gets 50 in 2 hours?

I’ve found so far that the women’s descriptions of themselves aren’t usually too far off. They know you’ll be exchanging photos and meeting at some point, they don’t want to waste a lot of time screening to get you, only to have you leave because her pictures were deceiving. Which brings us to pictures, I can’t tell you how I do it (secret), but I avoid sending them until after emails have been exchanged. If she asks for pictures, don't send her one of your tool, that's not what she asked for, no matter how well endowed you are, she'll think you're a creep and reject you straight away. Once you've sent your picture, you have lost control and have supplicated to her, and once you're in that position you can never regain control. Some really won’t reply without a picture, but unless you are an exceptionally great looking guy, you wouldn’t have caught her anyways. Most women will appreciate that you're more interested in what they say then what they look like, especially good-looking women. Babes have been told constantly since puberty, how beautiful they are and know it; they want you to want them for something other than their looks. That's why complimenting Babes on their appearance is the worst thing to do when trying to pick one up. Actually when trying to seduce a "knock out" you sometimes have to “go negative” and find a flaw they have that they're self conscious about, comment about it in a joking manner so they know you’re not awed by their beauty and have had better before. You'll throw her off guard, which will give you the opening to begin the probing questions that you need to find her hot buttons. I'll keep repeating this theme, a woman will tell you how to seduce her, if you take the time to listen and learn from her.

Back to the CL response...I only respond to ads that are more than a few lines and the longer the better. She's telling you something about her in her story. She took the time to craft her ad so she could get the responses she's looking for, key off of that, use that info in your response but work it into your “generic” response that you use for your replies. Try not to directly answer her questions; if you answer wrong you’re out. Instead be vague clever and humorous in dancing around the questions without ever answering them. Try and elicit a FEELING that you understand her, empathize with her, and you are in agreement with her. We men think more in black and white and constantly make the mistake of trying to solve their problems, when they’re not looking for solutions, but rather empathy, or a sharing of common feelings of emotion. KISS, all you musicians and programmers know this one; KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. These are words to live by, keep it light, lively, upbeat, and concise while still being vague as mentioned previously. You know what kind of pleasure you can give her if given the chance, your job is to get her to FEEL that you’re the one who’ll take her there. Your response is your calling card, your commercial, only you’re the product. MARKET yourself. You know your strong points and weaknesses highlight your strong points in a sensuous manner while tying into her hot button clues she gave you in her ad. But avoid your weaknesses, if she describe 7 qualities she’s looking for and you have 5 or 6, but are weak on the others, don’t mentioned them and just write about your strong points. Again be positive, and avoid the negative.

The GENERIC response is basically the body of your ad. In it I place catch phrases, questions, and suggestions that are universal in their appeal to girls. They’re designed to elicit feelings of emotions, describe, and sell YOU, and tie all of the elements together in a sensuous way targeted towards the goal of showing that you are not a creep or social outcast are safe to be around, comfortable and secure in yourself, are highly desirable and will be the one who’ll take her to the promised land. Most importantly is humor, if you’re clever you can do all these things with a little humor worked in you’ll score major extra bonus points and will set you a notch above the others. She’s getting all of these responses, some are vulgar, inane or stupid, but most are serious and analytical. She won’t even bother with the vulgar stupid ones, but she’ll be forced to plow through the dull ones. You by being sensuous and humorous while combining all of the before mentioned elements, will stand out from the dry serious ones. Create a CATCHY title for your each of your responses. Don’t leave your subject line blank, say something that relates you to what she’s looking for, or be humorous, do whatever, but do something to make it stand out without sounding stupid or conceited.

Which brings us to the follow-up, if you crafted your response correctly, you’ll each need to exchange at least one more email each before exchanging photos. This is key. The back and forth in these emails is your chance to probe, question, arouse, elicite more feelings. She’s already expressed at least a minimal amount of interest, now it’s up to you to cultivate that to the point that she’s got to speak with you on the phone, again using all the techniques above, however these responses must be written specifically to her, and sincere. But again it must NOT show weakness. You can be weak and cry at movies and be sensitive all you want AFTER you’ve slept with her, but if you do beforehand you’re dead in the water. Remember, the goal is to get a phone call, because once she’s called, you can then use your charm and other conversational skills, to try and work on the close. And if you don’t get the phone call you’re not getting laid plain and simple.

CLOSING: gentleman this is the hardest most in depth part, way to complicated to describe in this forum. In summary it’s all about CONTROL and your ability to maintain it, lose it you’re sunk, retain it and it’s homerun, that’s the bottom line. If you can develop a strong enough phone relationship with her, she will be so primed to meet you that even if you don’t quite meet her expectations she will feel so safe and comfortable, yet erotically charged around you, that she WILL be yours for the taking.

I’m enclosing these links; they are some of the best resources on picking up and seducing women on the Internet. I read similar books many years ago, which gave me my start into becoming a PUA; unfortunately I didn’t have these as a resource so I had to learn through trial and error. The techniques do work, how else can you explain a slightly over weight 40 year old like myself being able to seduce attractive 20 somethings when I have no money and no job?
Happy hunting, gentlemen!

Here are the links: http://www.pickupguide.com/layguide
http://www.pickupguide.com/classic
http://www.fastseduction.com/guide
http://www.layguide.com

I hope this helps.

Ciao,
Odysseus

"The Goal: Slack. The Method: The casting out of false prophets. The weapon: Time Control. The Motto: F**k 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke." - Credo of the SubGenius

I hope this helps."

How did I know it. I was just going to post that you are writing straight from some of these books. Are you a reseller for them or do you get a commission?

You can talk all the advice you like from out of these silly books and if you are a guy like you describe your self they are not going to be rolling over for you.

The simple odds on CL would indicate that you are full of it. There are probably 100 men to every woman and a huge number of men posing as women. If you wrote that you scored once a month I might believe it. I think you are just coming on here seeking attention after reading these books and not getting anywhere.

My only question for Odysseus is whether you picked up these women on the pretenses of a relationship? Because if you are sleeping with 35 year old women based on your system of control, with no intention of a relationship, that's a bit unethical. After all, many of these women are desperate to find Mr. Right and procreate. Just my thoughts.

What a great invention the internet was. No longer do we need to deal w. salespeople to buy cars and stereo equipment. But, then I came across this post and it hit me like a dozen unwanted pop-up windows. But, it definitely took me down memory lane. I can remember researching the car I wanted, and then going out and trying to find one. And just when you've found it and are ready to pay a reasonable fair-market price, BOOM, you have to deal with Used Car Sales Guy, who thinks HE's the PRODUCT. What a fucking waste of time. And now here's another one wasting our time on RB.

Hey O, if you're such a poor typist why don't you try "copy/paste" and take your snake oil sales back to the inboxes. It's all about being GENERIC and in CONTROL anyway, right?

Face it, guys, if you use used-car salesmen techniques to pick up women, you're gong to get women who respond to used car sales techniques and have used-car standards. Personally, I like real, genuine, intelligent women, and not the types that would fall for this BS. And I have no trouble attracting them using my OWN PERSONALITY and just being myself. You win some and lose some, and O is right, it is best to not dwell on rejection and to move on. But, the best way to attract the best woman FOR YOU is to just be yourself. There's no need to CONTROL the situation or the women (the out-of-control ones are usually more fun anyway! )

But, anyway, I thought RB was all about dealing with providers. We're all here b/c we're willing to pay for it. Which is probably what O is trying to set us up for. Get ready for the hook, guys. I bet O's next post will involve disclosing the "secret" parts for some amount of dollars. OOOH, I can't wait to get the really good snake oil!

I always say, to each his own, but what a waste of everybody's time.... jd

"when I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed."

After you've done all this sales shit to get her into bed, after you've done she's gonna think you're her next boyfriend. That's fine if you want to be, but just causes even more trouble if you only wanted to get laid.

I'd much rather pay cash,

OD