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BLACKBD
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"New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
 
This thread got deleted in Neighborhood Watch so maybe it goes here.

CL has a new posting policy for Erotic Services ads. You now must be a member (free) and provide a phone number that they verify as real before they let anyone post an erotic ad. Maybe this will keep down the number of repeat ads from providers, massage parlors and others or maybe its just a handy way to turn you in to the Law? Any ideas?

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1. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   This has been posted in several forums. I don't see how a Hooker can be turned into the law as you mention but rather it is simply an attempt to control the spam.....As we have procedures here on RB to contain it.

One PB thread:

http://www.mypinkbook.com/dcforum2/gtalk/3872.html

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5. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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>This has been posted in several forums. I don't see how a
>Hooker can be turned into the law as you mention but rather
>it is simply an attempt to control the spam.....As we have
>procedures here on RB to contain it.
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We do? The procedues only work if the moderators control their spaces.


The Lounge regurally turns into a low-rent classifieds for the everyday attention-whore and RB doesnt care. Drags the forum down for a # of weeks at a time.

Then they invade the VIP general forum..etc..etc..lapdogs unite, and then its POPULAR to post not-so-clever ads all over the place.

Mashed potatoes can be your friends.

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8. "RE: Ads"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-Mar-08 AT 03:15 PM (PST)
 
Are you alerting these posts in the Lounge? If you are, then Moderators will remove them but are not always online 24/7 to take care of this. It might be a few minutes to a few hours and the advertisers are told not to continue before more stringent methods are taken.

Would you be willing to step up to the plate, and given ability to delete blatant Ads in the discussion forums to help out? Do you have the time or willingness to do this?

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22. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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L4B,

I think you are spot on. I am sure after receiving countless alerts everyday about gals who spam the erotic boards, CL & company may have instituted some new policies in an attempt to curb this. Can you blame them?

There are some gals who used to post new ads every 30 minutes so that their ads stayed on top of the queue!

Cheers,
- blue thrills


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2. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   hookers won't give a shit. they put their phone number in the ad anyway.

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3. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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It's an interesting development in the CL history. CL has taken hits all over the country for running internet prostitution ads. Civic groups, LE and God knows what else has gotten on board to vilify the online acsess to a good time. It once was a civil liberties issue to the people that started CL. When CL got sold to the majors, why didn't they drop ES from the menu? It's just online want ads after all, why would they take the heat? Might it be about traffic? Do you suppose that ES exceeds the traffic of all the other catagories of CL in every market they sell in? Do you think that dipping your little finger in internet porn might be bigger than immersing your whole leg in the internet market place? Look at the numbers. IMO CL is trying to distance themselves from liability while they continue to run one of their most popular sections.

tommy2morrow

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4. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   I think they put this new rule in place so that there isnt anyone posting another persons phone number that they are mad at or want to get back at. I have called on ads before and the person answering asked me where i got the number from. They figured out someone put up the number as a cruel joke of some sort.

slick150

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7. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   > When CL got sold to the majors, why didn't they
> drop ES from the menu?

Is this true? -- I thought that CL is still a small-staff, independent operation.

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6. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   This should make RedBook even more popular.
Now in the Bay Area, the only other source for ads besides this site is has erotic ads, I hooked up with a fun gal last week.

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9. "New CL Erotic Posting Rules -also posting limit"
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In addition to requiring girls to register and have their registration confimed through a phone number, CL has also put a limit on the number of posts that can be put online using the account. I estimate is is 5 - 6 per day. Opening a second account is a way to circumvent it, as long as you have a separate phone number. So CL keeps track of the phone numbers dialed.


A lot of the girls are trying to migrate to casual encounters, but get flagged immediately. That, combined with the spam makes the CE W4M section totally useless.

Someone made the comment that that should have girls migrate to RB. I doub it. For one, many of those girls are already on RB. The beauty of CL was that girls could post often and in many geographic regions. By reposting, they could keep themselves in front of the listings. They were doing the "Cutiepie Way of Marketing"

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10. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules -also posting limit"
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   This is mostly correct. The phone verification system seems to have been a reaction to spam which had gotten out of control. Like the Asian massage parlors posting 500 times per day and the Fling dating site ads (which make money when you sign up for a free subscription). The girls who post phone numbers in their ad weren't stopped by the phone request, but I bet it had a chilling effect on guys posting; especially those cheating on their wives, or those politicians with kinky fetishes:)

I think it makes CL marginally safer because the real bad apples can be more easily traced by LE or will avoid posting.

Also, CL spam filters will not allow girls to post the same ad repeatedly anymore. After 3 they get ghosted (appear to post, but don't actually show up). There are also blocking points for those who post repeatedly and quickly (these trip up autoposter sw). There are easy ways around most of this, but the average crack ho will probably not figure them out for awhile, so on balance it is probably a good thing.

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11. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   CL is not required to hand over any details to LE unless served by a subpena (from a judge) to do so. Now whether or not they decide to do something aside from that and volunteer information to LE.... well, lets hope they've got better things to do with their time.

What folks have seen here in the spamming of ers in the SFBA pales in comparison to the problem in the ers section for NYC. I estimate the problem there to be an order of magnitude worse for CL (probably less, but definately at least 2-5 times worse.)

The unfortunate part of this is that I don't know of any other board on CL that suffers from this

Part of me would have liked CL to come up with better algorithms to detect spam as it was submitted and reject the posts.

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12. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   At least with the posting policy, we have seen a dramatic decrease number of ads being posted. I've noticed a lot fewer mulitiple ads. There were many providers posting as many as 30-40 ads per day. If you posted an ad in 30 min that ad was on page 4. Now I am seeing ads posted in certain regions actually remain on page 1 hours later!

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13. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   Not sure if it is related to the new rules, but received a very strange email from a gmail account telling me I am being investigated by a private investigator for soliciting on craigslist. I think it is probably someone who I chose not to see and is that it is one of them trying to mess with me, but wondering if anyone else has gotten something similar. Feel free to inbox me.

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14. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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   I'm sure if you were really being investigated, you wouldn't be getting a notice.

Several providers I know have been getting emails from someone responding to their CL ads asking in a very threatening manner if they have filed taxes for their escorting business.

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21. "RE: New CL Erotic Posting Rules"
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When you post in Erotic Services, you have to click-agree with this statement: "If craigslist believes that you impersonated someone by posting an ad in their name, or with their contact information, without their explicit consent, you authorize craigslist to release any and all information about you to the victim." So in this particular case (which doesn't apply to LE investigations, but rather to attack ads and scams) a subpoena isn't needed.

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15. "Craig Owner of CL Interview: Very Interesting!"
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   I heard this morning on talk radio 81 outta SF an interview with Craig, the owner (and Customer Service Rep- his self title, rather than Owner or CEO).

At one point they finally got to the topic of the erotic services portion of the site. This is basically what he said:

- He can't talk details, but as of two weeks ago they implemented several changes that have already reduced the "bad" problems the site had been facing. (To Craig, "bad" meant anyone paying another individual for sex- prostitution).

- That LE is NOT on staff (ever), but they do cooperate with LE when requested. That does not mean collaborating with LE on stings.

- That sex for money posts are removed by the community via the flaggiing system and has been effective.

- There are ony 24 individuals on the CL staff.

He can't possibly think that anything but 99.9% of ALL ads in the Erotic Services section is pure sex-for-money-PROSTITUTION!! So what the fuck is up with pretending that its otherwise? I can't recall the last time I saw an ad on CL erotic services section that wasn't an offer of prostitution!

Money for CL is made by ads in other sections (employment, property sales/rental, etc..)

CL gets its harshest dings in the public for the abuses in its "prostitution section", so why wouldn't they just get rid of it?

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16. "RE: Craig Owner of CL Interview: Very Interesting!"
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   LAST EDITED ON 16-Mar-08 AT 09:23 PM (PST)
 
>
>CL gets its harshest dings in the public for the abuses in
>its "prostitution section", so why wouldn't they just get
>rid of it?

Maybe because Craig is not a judgmental prig?
I'm glad that he's sticking to his guns.

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17. "RE: Craig Owner of CL Interview: Very Interesting!"
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Casual encounters and Erotic Services are the most populat and heavily trafficked sections on Craigs. Not only that, the y have the most repeat business. Take them away, and the number of visits to Craigslist could drop by as much as 70%. That's why he keeps those sections there. What I do not understand is why they are not able to block a lot of the spammer posts. Most of these have names of web sites, and a simple script could make it impossible for them to be listed on the site - a blacklist script. But yeah, 24 people is not much...

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18. "RE: Craig Owner of CL Interview: Very Interesting!"
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   What I do not
>understand is why they are not able to block a lot of the
>spammer posts. Most of these have names of web sites, and a
>simple script could make it impossible for them to be listed
>on the site - a blacklist script.

I think that the number of commerical spammers have dropped significantly since the phone verification policy was implemented. Its even curtailed the number of escort spammers. we don't see 25-30 ads posted by the same provider which is wonderful.

Ironically, what it hasn't done regardless of what Craig was trying to suggest is, slow down the prcentage of ads that are sex for money.

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19. "RE: Craig Owner of CL Interview: Very Interesting!"
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Until CL adopts a ratings system I'll never use em. Too many lame providers for me. I stick to RB and good reviews unless I decide to TOFTT

MD;-)

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25. "RE: Craig Owner of CL Interview: Very Interesting!"
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>He can't possibly think that anything but 99.9% of ALL ads
>in the Erotic Services section is pure
>sex-for-money-PROSTITUTION!! So what the fuck is up with
>pretending that its otherwise?
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Because to assume that way, begins the legal concept of knowledge.

And thats very not good for Mr. Craig.

Mashed potatoes can be your friends.

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20. "So what's the consensus?"
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   Is it safe to post? I haven't since these rules went into effect. Sucks because I've always had good luck with the non pro set.

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23. "RE: So what's the consensus?"
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   They should adopt a picture verification system too.


Neversatisfied

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24. "RE: So what's the consensus?"
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   CL created ERS because the hos were posting all over the place and often in the w4m dating section. ERS was created as a place for them to be herded into.

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