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"CL Bareback Sex: Tina, PnP, and m4m"
 
   Finished emailing people for bareback sex and this is what I found.

Meth: (PnP, tina, Meth, Crank, Ice, http://www.kci.org/meth_info/slang_names.htm)
13 of 17 w4m females looking for tina, PnP, meth will bareback fuck at some price (usually for 1-2 bags) 9 will also anal; 4 bareback anal.
23 of 23 m4w guys who sell tina, PnP, Meth will bareback fuck you and all but two will do anal.
6 of 8 m4m who sell tina will bareback fuck you
I forgot to do a flip on this one.


Gay Sex - no drugs implied- not advertised for bareback
14 of 19 guys will bareback fuck you; some will bring proof they are clean.
8 of 17 guys will let you bareback fuck them with little (nil) to some assurances you are clean.


Str8 Sex w4m
No idea nearly all ads appear to be fake.


(http://www.drugscene.co.nz/methamphetamine.html)
HOW IT'S SOLD

Methamphetamine is commonly sold in standard weights known as "points", "grams" and "ounces"

POINTS

A point normally contains anywhere from 1/10th to 1/30th of a gram and usually costs $100. Points are also known as "Dots" or "P's"or "Spot bags".

Point bags are small plastic bags that measure approximately 2.5cm x 3.5cm. They come in a wide range of patterns. The point bags on the top left contain methamphetamine and the other bags shown are empty.

GRAMS

One gram of "pure" meth currently costs anywhere from $600 to $1200. P usually costs from $600 to $1000 per gram and Ice costs from $800 to $1200.

Grams are sometimes known as "little ones", or "G bags".

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1. "RE: CL Bareback Sex: Tina, PnP, and m4m"
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Fascinating. I thought "Tina" was a nickname for cocaine.

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2. "RE: CL Bareback Sex: Tina, PnP, and m4m"
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   this is sobering but also expected. I would not have any kind of contact with any one who I thought was using any of those drugs. people who use meth will do anything to get more including stealing and robbing, not to mention that they are the highest risks for all kinds of diseases.

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3. "RE: CL Bareback Sex: Tina, PnP, and m4m"
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I remember seeing this TV special on meth problem in US.
Doctor talked about how meth increases sex drive (i.e. makes
you want to have sex). So later they have this mother and son
who both do meth. The mother says whenever she does meth she
makes sure she doesn't do it in same room with her son because
she'd probably end up fucking him. Then says whenever she does
meth she has to watch porn and jack off with a dildo.

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4. "I find that shit scary"
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   Right, people who are on shit like that will rob you blind and have no ethical compunction about it. I try to stay away from 'em. The substance is doing the thinking. They aren't.

I've seen gank/crank/meth around for some years. and managed to stay far away from people who do it, but now I'm seeing a lot of coke around lately, and it's creeping into the world of people I know and work with. WTF is going on?

As for weed, just about everyone I know smokes like a chimney. It's as common as alcohol. I don't smoke or drink, but an average social evening for almost everyone I know includes a glass of wine or two and a spliff. Harmless, IMHO, less so than alcohol.

The old George Carlin riff applies: you can't get into a car accident while stoned, because you're only going 15 miles an hour!

Meth and coke, however, scare me.

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5. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   LAST EDITED ON 22-Mar-09 AT 03:10 PM (PST)
 
<Harmless, IMHO, less so than alcohol.

Weed is FAR less harmfull than alchohol. Think about it this way. You can use whiskey as a disinfectant. It kills bacteria, which are one-celled organisms. The fact is, alchohol kills ALL living cells. It's literally poison. If you drink a whole bottle of whiskey down, you'll die. But noone has ever been poisoned to death by marijuana. It doesn't kill living cells. IMHO the ONLY reason it's still illegal is the belief that it makes you lazy so you don't want to go to work. It's perceived as a threat to economic prosperity in work-ethic driven America. Whereas alcohol is perceived as a sedative people drink after work to help them cope with stress. So even though alcohol literally kills a lot of people, it's seen as more culturally benificent than marijuana.

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6. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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I really don't care if people want to smoke pot or drink, it's entirely their decision. True alcohol is more harmful to the body especially not enjoyed in moderation and over long periods of time but I don't agree that pot is not harmful, it does alter your mind and can slow response time down. The other factor that you don't hear a lot of press about is the illegal growers and the connection to Mexican cartels. If there was not such a high demand for pot in this country that would significantly reduce their income and therefore their power.

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8. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   >I The other factor that you don't hear a lot of press
>about is the illegal growers and the connection to Mexican
>cartels. If there was not such a high demand for pot in
>this country that would significantly reduce their income
>and therefore their power.
>
>

Thats the kind of perverse logic that gets us into the mess in the first place. Its not the demand that creates the cartels. Its the illegality. It wasn't demand for booze that created Al Capone. It was prohibition. Legalize all drugs and watch the crime rate plummet. Of course what will the police union, prison guard union, DEA and other arms of the prison-industrial complex do then?

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9. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   Agree 1000%. I wish more people would realize this. The un-winnable drug war is bankrupting us.

"No matter how far you wander there you are"

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18. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   My understanding is the real reason for the repeal of prohibition in the 30's wasn't that the government suddenly discovered libertarianism, it was that during the Great Depression the cost of enforcement became prohibitive. On that basis, there are currently calls for legalization and taxation of marijuana in CA. I think it's a good idea, but I disagree that other restricted substances should be legalized. On the other hand, if the Mexican government falls to the narcos, in the convoluted logic of statecraft, the resulting national security threat could be a pretext for U.S. invasion. This kind of action by us is not unprecedented in this hemisphere, and annexing Mexico would provide acces to U.S. companies to the currently state controlled oil resources.

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11. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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>>Legalize all drugs.......<<

I agree that if any drug is legalized, they should all be legalized.

>>........and watch the crime rate plummet.<<

I don't necessarily agree that the crime rate will plummet. It would be nice if it did, and I really hope it does, but I sure as hell won't be holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

Laying the bulk of drug related crime on cartels and local distribution networks seems to be oversimplifying the problem. Although they are responsible for much of the problem, they are far from being the whole problem.

I don't see how legalization could have any positive effect on the current nature and effects of mass addiction, or the societal consequences thereof.

I believe chronic addiction among the population will increase markedly, and we will pay for it in a variety of very unpleasant ways.

Even if we go a step beyond legalizing everything, and begin to give it away for free (in an effort to reduce crime), the existing army of addicts, coupled with all the new recruits will surely be a big problem for society in general.

I think over a significant period of time, things would smooth out considerably and get better.

Eventually attitudes will change, usage and addiction will go down. But initially, and for some time to come, legalization of everything that everybody uses now and the new stuff constantly in development and brought to market, will create a real pain in the ass.

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17. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   >>>Legalize all drugs.......<<
>
>I agree that if any drug is legalized, they should all be
>legalized.
>
>>>........and watch the crime rate plummet.<<
>
>I don't necessarily agree that the crime rate will plummet.
>It would be nice if it did, and I really hope it does, but I
>sure as hell won't be holding my breath waiting for it to
>happen.
>
Well, by definition all drug related crimes would no longer be crimes, hence the crime rate will plummet. But thats the flippant response. If drugs are legal, then crime done to buy drugs such as robberies, car jackings, muggings etc will drop. Not too many muggings to buy beer are there? The price of drugs will be reasonable enough so people dont have to commit crimes to purchase them.

Addiction is another issue. I dont think drugs should be advertized or promoted. In fact public dollars should be used to educate rather than arrest users and potential users. Look at smoking. It has become so socially unpopular in Ca that you cant even get a date if you are a smoker!. Make drugs the same way. Legal but unpopular.

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19. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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>>Well, by definition all drug related crimes would no longer be crimes, hence the crime rate will plummet. But thats the flippant response.<<

What about the crimes committed by people (and criminals) that are under the influence of drugs? Not all these crimes are perpetrated specifically in the procurement of more drugs for sale or personal use.

I concede that simple possession, under the influence, possession for sale and sales charges will go down, but there is a criminal element out there that will continue their criminal efforts unabated in order to generate revenue for everything else they want and need OTHER THAN drugs. And most likely, they will be using while they are committing these crimes. Hence more drug related crime.


>>If drugs are legal, then crime done to buy drugs such as robberies, car jackings, muggings etc will drop.<<

Drop maybe. But will more people eventually fall into a drug lifestyle when the stuff is legal, and at least theoretically more abundant and at a lower price?

Legal or no, the shit will not be free. Non recreational drug users will do what it takes to get it. Some will work, earn money and pay for it like they do everything else. Others will not work, they will live on the street in constant desperation, and in certain cases, they will mug you or shoot you in the face and take your wallet or car.

>>Not too many muggings to buy beer are there?<<

Probably a lot more than you are choosing to acknowledge. Some jonesing alcoholics can get pretty damn ugly, and they're not all frail, little old gutter winos.


>>The price of drugs will be reasonable enough so people dont have to
commit crimes to purchase them.<<

You do know that there are a helluva lot of legal drugs that are almost unbelievably expensive right? I have purchased a quite a heap of illegal drugs without having committed crimes against people. Drug users don't have to commit crimes to purchase drugs. Not now, in the past or in the future. They choose to commit these crimes as opposed to earn and spend their own money. This is often because of behavioral and attitude changes brought about as a result of their drug use and association with drug culture.


>>Addiction is another issue. I dont think drugs should be advertized or promoted.<<

Perhaps you meant that psychoactive and intoxicating recreational drugs shouldn't be advertised and promoted? The reality is that a great number of legal drugs are promoted and advertised in every form of media around the clock 24/7, and that practice is sure to continue and expand.

Wouldn't banning advertisement and promotion of legal substances infringe on free speech and freedom of the press?

>>In fact public dollars should be used to educate rather than arrest users and potential users.<<

That would create jobs for bureaucrats, educators, counselors, etc, but that's about it. It would probably be about as effective as the D.A.R.E. program. Although well intentioned, the net effect of that program is that it provides lots of hours for government personnel and lots of overtime hours for law enforcement personnel as instructors. Which probably explains why both groups insist that the program remain in existence long after it was proven ineffective.

So far as the public is concerned, it's another telling of 'The Emperors New Clothes' and we swallowed it whole. It sounds so good, and we want it to work so badly (for the children). We continue to pretend that it does work in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Here in Santa Clara County, we still try like hell to pretend that VTA's Light Rail project was a sound, intelligent answer to public transit issues. That maybe someday it will come close to supporting itself so that they can quit compromising a working bus system to support the looser piece of shit. It's a disaster. The worst and least used system in the nation. But it sure sounded GREEN and it made some people FEEL good.

This D.A.R.E. ineffectiveness list goes on for days
http://war-on-drugs.suite101.com/article.cfm/why_dare_flunked
http://alcoholfacts.org/DARE.html
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/01_16_03gao.cfm
http://www.evidencebasedprograms.org/Default.aspx?tabid=137
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/94/6/1027

There is already a ton of public money devoted to the type of education you're talking about. So far as putting any more money out there for more of the same, I'd be okay with that as long as I can keep MY dollars and spend them on something that has a reasonable chance of success.

>>Look at smoking. It has become so socially unpopular
in Ca that you cant even get a date if you are a smoker!<<

Maybe not with your initial 'dating' target, but it is certainly still possible, and $300 bucks does help increase your odds of success.
(I know you're probably talking about civies here and you're right)


>>Make drugs the same way. Legal but unpopular.<<

It will be a slow painful process, but that IS HOW undesirable drug use and abuse use will eventually begin to wane. That's why I advocate legalization of everything. Give everybody everything they want and let them bask in the results of their wishes. If it works out great. If it doesn't, they may gain a better understanding of what they really want and need to do. What doesn't work and what will work, and a better way to achieve the desired result.


There are a great many people who will not readily succumb to societal pressure and substantially modify their behavior in regards to their pet substance/s. You have to keep in mind that smoking doesn't have the same feel good effect on people as the illegal drugs we're talking about. In the case of some of these drugs, they don't have as many patently obvious negative and scary health effects. It will be a somewhat more difficult to 'make' certain substances unpopular.

Some people use drugs because it makes them feel good. Some use to keep from feeling. Some use for fun. Some use to alleviate their stress or misery. Some use because someone told them to. Some use because someone told them not to. And so on.

Their are also many that once started, simply cannot moderate their intake or abstain. That is until bad things happen. Sometimes not even then. We all know someone like this.

Not many use because they think it is physically good for the mind and body and it's the intelligent thing to do. If I told you that any and all sex was bad for you, and then supported my assertion with irrefutably sound scientific studies and quoted world renowned authorities, would you abstain because I 'educated' you?

For the record, I make no distinction between alcohol and drugs. That includes a lot of legal drugs. I pretty much look at everything that has the potential to change ones mental state and behavior in the same light.

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20. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   Good points. I think we agree that drugs should be legal but we disagree on what exactly the implications of that will be. But since the chances of full legalization happening any time soon are slim to none this will all remain theoretical!

Okay...back to the regularly scheduled program about pussy chasing!

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10. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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Illegal growers and Mexican Cartels?

Aren't all growers illegal?

Dude you need to stop watching Scarface and reruns of Miami Vice.

I'm not going to talk about how I know that's ridiculous but it is.

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13. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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>Illegal growers and Mexican Cartels?
>
>Aren't all growers illegal?
>
>Dude you need to stop watching Scarface and reruns of Miami
>Vice.
>
>I'm not going to talk about how I know that's ridiculous but
>it is.
---
No..tell us how untrue the story of the Mexican Cartels is to you.


The mexican cartels, are not major players in MJ in the US, not just south of it..IN it.

We ONLY captured 1,200 TONS (1,115,710Kg) of it at the southern border last year..that's a damned well organized smuggling effort, wouldnt you say?

Who knows how many 10s of 1000s got through.

And..no..Canada doesnt have the same problem, same year in the stats, only 4,100 Kilos were caught.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs25/25921/marijuan.htm

According to the USDOJ, Scarface and Miami Vice mirror reality pretty well..not to mention the Hollywood like violence thats going on for real, at the border every day.

The raids here in the Bay Area that have resulted in LE being shot at, are with organizations based our of Mexico.

Appears that the Mexican Cartels, are in pretty solid control.


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7. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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Good point.

Nobody ods on weed yet it remains illegal.

Booze is far more destructive yet somehow it's acceptable.

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12. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   Smoking weed, and for that matter doing any other kind of drug, is a "victimless crime." So is prostitution. So let's legalize victimless crimes. It seems pretty simple to me.

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14. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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Weed certainly appears to kill brain cells.

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15. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   >Weed certainly appears to kill brain cells.
>
>

As does alcohol.
And watching television.

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16. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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>Weed certainly appears to kill brain cells.
---
So does aging.

You peaked at 18..who you gonna blame now?

To each their own...let em smoke.

Fujiwara tofu rocks!

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21. "I just called Tina"
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   I just called Tina and she assured me, she does not do drugs:

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/DCForumID201/167709.html

Go and relax and enjoy Tina just please don't besmirch her good name

D99

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23. "RE: I just called Tina"
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Something wrong with those pics. Why are they so stretched???

"I'm ShuLi-
Shalom, biotch!!!"

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25. "RE: I just called Tina"
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I second that as she does not even smoke.
If she does, she did a very good job of hiding it.
She also offers soapy body wash massage. If you have not try it, you are missing out.
This is what it is.
Cheers

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22. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   >Weed is FAR less harmfull than alchohol. Think about it
>this way. You can use whiskey as a disinfectant. It kills
>bacteria, which are one-celled organisms.

Hot water tea also kills bacterias, and even living creatures. But people usually don't die after having a cup of hot tea.

>If you drink a whole bottle of whiskey down, you'll die.

Unless you're talking about 1.75L bottle, it must be a joke, right?

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24. "RE: I find that shit scary"
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   I totally agree

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