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Hotcarl
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"do not call this number!"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 21-Sep-09 AT 09:56 AM (PST)
 
Well this is wierd. Here is the story. Called this provider last night and got her voicemail. Left a message stating that I thought she was hot, killer body, and couldnt wait to see her soon. I said a few other cutesy bullshit comments on the message (but nothing suggestive of illegal activity) - and then gave her my phone number and first name.

Then - like 10 minutes later, I get a call from a vice investigator (not going to reveal his name but I checked it out and he is real) for SFPD. He says that they have this provider in custody and have confiscated her cell phone, and are checking incalls on it.
He states that I will have a court date, time, and location mailed to be for what I am being charged with (Attempting to Sollicit VC 199.204). I had a few beers by this point in the evening, and at the time of the call - I honestly thought either it was a joke or it might have been the girl's angry boyfriend or somebody playing a prank on me. Well, then I start asking for his name, badge number, etc. and he gives me his name - but then gets angry with me and lays into me about how I know what I did and what if this were my mother, sister, daughter, etc. Says this is why he joined the force 25 years ago, to catch scum like me. etc.etc.

I was a bit tipsy at the time, and really couldn't remember verbatim what I had said - but I knew that I had called an escort and left a message stating that I wanted to book and appointment in the near future. So, now I am waiting to recieve my summons in the mail (court date is - he said - like a month away). He said something about 300 Howard Street, SF.

What I am wondering though, is this. I failed to mention to him that all I was interested in was FBSM for $100/HR - and I was impressed with her looks and beuaty, and may have even taken her on a dinner date out on the town. Never did I imply on the message that I wanted to do anything remotely illegal with her in exchange for money.
What if I just wanted dinner and a sensual massage? Bizarre.

What course of action should I take on this??? i feel in my heart that I did not do anything illegal here.

Any help selecting an attorney, or legal recourse would be much obliged. thx.

ps- inbox me if you want to know the number. I am not fronting on this - it really happened.

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1. "RE: do not call this number!"
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It's bullshit. I'm not sure what "attempting to solicit" is since
solicitation is, itself, an attempt. Even if you left a long, detailed
message about how you would pay her $100 in exchange for
wild fucking, you have not violated any law until you actually
take some action which demonstrates that you intend to go
through with the agreement. Which you did not do.

And just for the record, your refusal to provide any useful
info at all also makes your post look a lot like bullshit. Who
was the cop? What was the number that appeared on your
caller-id when he called, where is the ad you were responding
to?

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2. "RE: do not call this number!"
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Ditto on the bullshit call. The OP would have us believe that a judge authorized a wire tap on this kind of small potato. Doubtful at best.

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3. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   Sounds like a jealous BF, pimp or whatever trying to ruin her business. 300 Howard Street in SF isn't any SFPD site. It's an office building. If you used a hobby phone, he can't trace back to you. Try googling your number to be sure.


c-man

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4. "RE: do not call this number!"
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I don't see any reason why this might not be real, nor why (depending on what was left on the voice mail) it could not be used to prove solicitation etc.

What would be more surprising would be if the cops actually went to the trouble of tracking you down and pursuing you based on your phone number.

I'm not a lawyer, but it also seems unlikely they could just go ahead and issue a summons based on this phone interaction without actually paying you a visit and giving you a ticket and/or interviewing you. It's not like a traffic camera ticket. If the cops bust someone for something (e.g. they find out someone embezzled some money, or is running an internet scam, or is pimping girls online), they don't just put a summmons in the mail...

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5. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   You gave him your address?

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6. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   and you couldn't remember much but you did recall the violation code?

>
>Attempting to Sollicit VC 199.204
>

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7. "RE: do not call this number!"
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yeah sounds like BS to me.. it sounds like that scam where the jury duty court calls you and says you missed a court appearance and they need your SS number and credit card if you want to pay off any fines or be arrested.. that is why i have a hobby phone so if shit goes down they wont find any info on me.. i give fake name etc on the pay as you go phones.. i use to use my real phone and got caught from the SO and i learned my mistake the first time.. be safe out there.. economy is bad and people will do anything to make money..


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11. "RE: do not call this number!"
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What a clever scam! put a hooker ad on craigslist and then pretend to be a cop and call back people who have left messages claiming they are now busted.

So how do they make money from this? Send out a phoney summons with the option of paying a fine (like a traffic ticket)? Hard to collect the money without getting busted pretty fast, but no doubt there's a way to do it at least in some limited time window.

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8. "RE: do not call this number!"
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>" I don't see any reason why this might not be real, nor why
> (depending on what was left on the voice mail) it could not
> be used to prove solicitation etc."

Because if it were that easy, 90% of the ads on craigslist would be
local cops fishing for quota. Note that every time you hear of a
craigslist bust or similar, the arrests take place at a hotel or
someplace where the victims have been told to go to meet the
hooker. If all you have done is agreed to sex for money, you have
not committed a crime. You must act on that agreement, if only
in the smallest way.

Even on the street, if you accidently talk through your window with
an undercover cop and agree on a $20 bj, she's still going to say
something like, "unlock the door so I can get in" or "go up around
the corner so I can get in" or something. And you're not going to
get busted until you do that.

Finally, if the phone in question here belonged to the purportedly-
arrested escort, either it is going to be used as evidence of whatever
she was arrested for, in which case the cop has no business fucking
around with it, or it is the personal property of the escort, in which
case the cop has possibly committed a federal crime by fucking
around with it.

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9. "RE: do not call this number!"
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It's not that easy because it's hard to catch someone who is not there in person (and who knows whether they can easily be tracked down).

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12. "RE: do not call this number!"
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All that "hotcarl" claimed was happening was that a summons was
being mailed to him. Attaching an address to a phone is trivial and
getting the info from the phone company is only slightly less
trivial for a police department.

So no. The reason it is not easy is because no crime has been committed.

Have a look at 647(b): http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/15/2/s647

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13. "RE: do not call this number!"
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Really? How many MetroPCS and pay-as-you-go phones do you think have a legit address to match the number where the perp can be found? Do you think the cops can be bothered to find out? Of course not.

And sorry, but you're misreading the law as specified in the link you provided. It says you are guilty of disorderly conduct for committing "any of the following acts" not "ALL of the following acts." You would still be guilty under 647(a) even if you didn't commit the additional act of furtherance. If you also committed the act of furtherance, you would then be guilty under 647(a) AND 647(b). And it goes on to list a whole menu of other disorderly conduct offenses, each of which is also a separate offense.


CAL. PEN. CODE § 647 : California Code - Section 647

Every person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor:

(a)Who solicits anyone to engage in or who engages in lewd or dissolute conduct in any public place or in any place open to the public or exposed to public view.

(b)Who solicits or who agrees to engage in or who engages in any act of prostitution. A person agrees to engage in an act of prostitution when, with specific intent to so engage, he or she manifests an acceptance of an offer or solicitation to so engage, regardless of whether the offer or solicitation was made by a person who also possessed the specific intent to engage in prostitution. No agreement to engage in an act of prostitution shall constitute a violation of this subdivision unless some act, in addition to the agreement, is done within this state in furtherance of the commission of an act of prostitution by the person agreeing to engage in that act.

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18. "RE: do not call this number!"
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If voicemail is "any public place" then you are correct on (a).

As far as (b), read that last sentence again and talk to your attorney.

Did MetroPCS drop the requirement for a credit card on signup? If
so, then the 10% of cell users who are MetroPCS users are slightly
more difficult to track down. If it still is, then credit card to complete
dossier is trivial.

So your point is the reason police don't -ever- use this simple technique
to boost their arrest numbers is because in 10% of the cases, on
average, it's going to be less than a gimme to identify the caller?


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23. "RE: do not call this number!"
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I don't know about whether over the phone is sufficient for (a), and I suspect neither do you.

The whole point here is that each of (a) thru (z), or whatever, is a separate offense. Just because he can't be had on (b) doesn't mean he he can't be had on (a).

As for Metro PCS, the name on the account can be fake and anyone could have paid for it (credit card or not) without it being their phone, or it could be a prepaid visa card.

So yes, if it was easy to track down and then visit guys who were soliciting acts of prostitution on the phone the cops would do it, if they thought it was worth the effort for such a minor offense. Your position seems to be that it's a priori impossible to solicit an act of prostitution over the phone.

Anyway, neither of us is an attorney, so this will go round and around and it's already boring

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10. "RE: do not call this number!"
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I seriously doubt that you're going to get in trouble over this. You called and left a "cute message," so where's the crime? Even if you called and asked her to fuck your brains out for $20, I still wouldn't worry about.

I would however worry about the overzealous pimp/jealous boyfriend, so try to google your phone #.

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14. "RE: do not call this number!"
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Number 1 reason to use a Hobbie phone. No way to trace back if it's real.

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15. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   Use a hobby phone and tell the pig to f**k himself.

Mick Cooper

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16. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   Probably bullshit. How do they know you didn't lose your phone and someone else used it? Or someone spoofed your number? Or someone borrowed your phone? Capisce?

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17. "RE: first post?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 21-Sep-09 AT 07:42 PM (PST)
 
Hate to pull the low-post-count thingy but this poster does have a low post one: one!

OK, just to play along with this and assume this is a real life case I wouldn't worry one bit if it was me. First off if LE was really interested in nailing me they would have to contact me in person. A mailed summon even if it is true would be worthless if I refuse to acknowledge I ever receive it. So first thing of order for me is to remember NOT to sign for any letter or package for the next six months.

Next, assuming I already checked and this officer and his badge # indeed exist, how am I to know that it was not someone else who used the real officer's identity over the phone? And if it was indeed the real cop I then would dismiss it was just another blow-hard law-and-order fanatic who wanted to "scare straight" me: another big-mouth who always wanted to lecture others about morality.

It really is doubtful the Dept. will have the time, will and money to spend to prosecute such a flimsy case like this. Like poster above said, I can always claim that it was someone else using my phone pretending to be me. Or, I can say that I was drunk and was just making crank calls without any intention to follow through.

Back to the low post count, I really doubt this story to start with.

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20. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. They can't take you to a court hearing for that. You can even say that it wasn't you that made the call in the first place. I think someone got their badge number from a ticket that was issued to them and got the info from there.

The bottom line is that its your word against his and the case would be thrown out of court for lack of evidence assuming this is real.

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21. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   Hey Guys. Thanks for all the assurance on this one. I learned a big lesson on this mistake. As several posters have mentioned on here - always use a trackphone. always. With all of these reverse cell phone lookup systems now it is impossible to get your number off them - so I am going to get a trackphone tomorrow. thanks.

Here is me playing catchup on the story for you:

Yesterday morning after I wrote the post - i contact both SFPD 415-553-0123, and South City branch (650 area code) and ask both the main switchboard and the vice / narco unit about this situation. South City confirmed they had no officer by that name - and my name was not on the citation / warrants list. Called SFPD - they say there is no officer by that name in Narco or Vice - but it may be the middle name of an officer in a different unit (it was a really common last name). So - I call Vice / Narco - and they say . . . . . . . . . . . .you got punked son! I believed the lady when she told me this because she was on hold for like three minutes, and then there was a big chuckle in the background.

Glad I did this myself - I was close to paying an attorney $1,500 to do this for me!!! ARGHGHG!

So - now I must thank you all for saving me a ton of money, allowing me to work successfully and not stress out too bad!

Now that I know what happened, it all makes sense now. The officer whom claimed they were a 20 year Vet on the force did sound young, and had a somewhat asian tone of voice (i hope that didn't come across as being racist??) - but the performance was very deadpan and they did a good job not breaking character the whole call.

My only recourse was to try to call the provider back and A) ask her if someone was using her phone and if she knew about it, or B) tell her to give me a freebie or I was going to blow up her whole gig on redbook and she would never get another call from that advertising venue.

I have opted for plan C). I am going to reveal the provider's add, identity, etc. - and let you decide if you want to fuck with someone who would approve of this type of callous behavoir with a potential client. Hell - if she allows this to go down pre-appt. I would hate to see what happens if you leave your wallet in your pants during session. Anyway, I have attached the add, and will also be forwarding this info to neighborhood watch. If you would please circulate this information to as many bay area hobbyists as your could - that would be great. I was real pissed on this one - and even wanted to book an apt. and do something nasty in retalliation - but I am letting it go.

There's lotsa asian girls with big titties out there. Late.

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22. "RE: do not call this number!"
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get a net 10 phone from walmart. pay cash. when you buy air time pay cash.
change phones often.
beware of unsolicited calls to your phone.

"Can't Spell - Butt sure can DAYT"

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24. "RE: do not call this number!"
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What happened to: "Then - like 10 minutes later, I get a call from a vice investigator (not going to reveal his name but I checked it out and he is real) for SFPD."

Was that the only lie or is the whole thing a lie?

Maybe you set this whole thing up to discredit the provider?

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Hotcarl
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25. "RE: do not call this number!"
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   re: prurientinterest

I had a few beers by that point and I was very flustered, and I called the police dept. # after hours and got the vice squad message maching - and the dude on the machine sounded a bit like the guy. Yeah - I was connecting too many dots early in the story. But in no way am i bulshitting about this.

Actually, I am a long-time member and SW action scene member from the Sacto boards that rarely goes to the bay for action - but this little hotty (as you can see in the photos) meets my requirements for being asian, having some meat on her bones and in the right places.

Honestly, I really wish it had worked out - and if she would pick up the phone and tell me that she knew nothing about it - I would actually consider taking her on a date. However, I am worried about calling that number now from my current phone number - so until I pick up a throw away phone - I will not.

This is not a joke or prank - and I don't know this chick.

The only reason I am able to get any relief from this episode right now is that I happened to find two 19 year old runaway white chicks at my local park that needed some help last night.

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