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cloud9chaser
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"More and more intrusive screening"
 
   Is it me, or are the new escort "groups" doing more intrusive screening? It has been said before - don't give out information you are not comfortable giving out. I just noticed that lately, groups like emis and the408elitegirls are way too intrusive with asking for work numbers, checking ID, etc. Especially when they have you fill out some form on their web-sites, god only knows where that information will end up. Remember, information lives forever on the net...

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mrlurker click here to view user rating
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1. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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Cloud,

I have not made an appointment with any provider that requires information that could get me busted at home or work.

I don’t have any provider references, so there are many potentially great sessions that I choose to miss (the408e;itegirls had one about a month ago that I was salivating for). I am just not comfortable with giving out information that in the wrong hands ‘could’ cause harm to any provider (or me). I have this paranoid scenario that I give out a ‘reference’ and it turns out that it was an LE sting gathering information on providers. I have the same fear regarding the current ‘data farming’ groups. What if that information fell into the wrong hands?

I can understand the paranoia on their side, but I think sooner or later they will need to relax the information required. I may be way off base, but I gotta think it is hurting their business.

And you are spot on… information lives forever on the net

Big TITS boggle my wits...

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2. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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i agree. i will never give out personal information.

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jimmy_funs
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3. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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Agree.

I was checking out 408elite and they were asking for work numbs and ID went seeing the lady. Uhh, no thanks. I'm pretty sure there are alternative ladies of the same quality available without work numbs and ID requirements.

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wf_gfe_seeker click here to view user rating
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4. "Just to add"
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Even with some just asking for refs only, I normally tent to check to see if there is a possibility of hooking up before providing refs.

These girls just always asking for refs right away despite some that never would outcall to me.

Always Seeking.

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sky_diver_1980
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5. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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Hm, I did give out my work information to one of the providers and I think she ended up writing a bad review about my business on Yelp, because she felt like my review about her on RB was unfair.

I'm not sure what the chances are to be involved in an LE sting if you give out your personal information, but I'm rather concerned about a provider knowing my true identity. After all we are all strangers and we don't know about one's background, so I think one should never give out his personal info, especially if you don't have control over how long that information will be available and to whom.

Has anyone had experience with Preferred411 or one of those other services that play the man in the middle?

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mrlurker click here to view user rating
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8. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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Sky...

Didnt even think of that. GREAT POINT bad business review vs bad RB review...

Big TITS boggle my wits...

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6. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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I can't see giving out my information either. All too often we have heard the stories that someone getting busted and their "book" is confiscated.
They want to see my ID ....not until they show me theirs first! Then I'll show them mine. It's a couple of Ben's.

Grip
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NealDown click here to view user rating
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7. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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I respect the right of any agency and/or provider to ask for whatever info they think they need in order to feel safe. However, I choose not to utilize anyone who is not satisfied with referrals from known providers. That is the only screening I allow as I will not provide real name, work info or even hobby handle. And that goes double for agencies. I've read enough about ones that have been busted with all their customers' personal information compromised because it was in their PCs.

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10. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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Agreed. I am happy to provide my RB handle, and referrals from known providers. If they are not satisfied with that information, then I won't feel comfortable seeing them.

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Hope burns bright!

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9. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   In this line of business, there are too many choices. If someone is not comfortable with servicing me because I didn't provide enough info, I just move on and find someone else cheaper and better and won't ask personal verification questions. Filling out anything online is just stupid, IMHO. Everything online stays in record FOREVER.

I'm already leaving personal information here by calling them with an unblocked phone number (albeit a throwaway number). What more do they need?

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11. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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I agree, I'm not comfortable giving out work/home information. The408elitegirls wanted a lot more information than I was comfortable giving out - I did give them my redbook handle and references from other providers but they never ended up calling me back I guess because I didn't fill out the rest of the forms. There is NO way I would give out my personal information to an escort service or an escort unless I know them very, very well -- even then, I would have some concerns.

You have no idea where your personal information might end up so I would pass on anyone or service (no matter how great they are on reviews) rather than risk consequences.

Yes, some seem to be requiring more intrusive info. I hope they wise up.

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devilmaycare
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12. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   Hmm, I hate to think things have gotten tighter regarding screening. Large operations that ask for too much info should be avoided. Who knows who ends up with all that info? Target the indie girls-though most ask for references. Lately, I have been using one of my FBSM ATF's for a reference. I know she does not have any of my info written down-she knows who I am very well and my number by heart. We have a mutual arrangement ($) and she does not mind giving escorts the info. Occasionally, the escort refuses just an FBSM reference if she finds out but I do not tell. I have a couple of other review handles too. One of them, if I get above average service I give her all 10s. If all else fails, This way, If I give her that handle and the girls I have reviewed under it, she thinks she will get 10s too. Works everytime.

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Client69
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13. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   Just say no. There are plenty of great girls that won’t make you jump through hoops to see them. I usually filter-out ads that require references or intrusive screening. This is a business for these girls, and the knowledgeable ones already take other precautions for their own physical safety (e.g. working in pairs, with other girls to watch their backs). If you have the money, remember the “golden rule”: he who has the gold makes the rules.

Client69

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14. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   Hell No. I am not giving you my work # and My identification. I am not applying for a JOB.


GQ

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zambi click here to view user rating
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15. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   The poster guy for NOT using references:

http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/User_files2/992zlq8vv080z9pw.jpg

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20. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   Incorrect. Spitzer was busted because he was being investigated for illegal money transactions.

The agency that he patronized was caught up in the investigation of Spitzer's illegal actions, not the other way around.


.:. quality not quantity .:.

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16. "More and more intrusive screening -- EMIS is an example"
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Here's an example of the more intrusive screening.

EMIS http://forum.myredbook.com/dcforum2/DCForumID202/168333.html

The lady doesn't want to book by phone anymore. Here is her screening form. http://www.jotform.com/form/92914514104

Way too personal. And, if the information is being recorded who knows.

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17. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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>Remember, information lives forever on the
>net...
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Yes..it does.

You're -here-, and your home IP address is logged.

Isnt a huge challenge to find out who you are, if someone wanted to.

Lets not stop talking about identity and trust issues just on the provider side.


Fujiwara tofu rocks!

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19. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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Escort4us makes a valid point that LE could track us down based on our IP address should they get hold of an agency's PC where they have a saved email from you. I don't believe that this is so much a trust issue as it is a security one. I don't believe that LE is all that interested in busting hobbyists. However I've seen hobbyists' real names and contact information on the National Blacklist website for offenses such as a single NCNS. It would really suck to Google your name and have that come up there for all to see.

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21. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   Well, hopefully in your emails, you are only asking to make an appt. for an escort's time and not mentioning anything illegal.

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Jay4232
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22. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   I am not giving any information to them. There are plenty of choices in this hobby as someone stated early. If one provider asks for too much, simply move onto the next one. It's as easy as that.

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23. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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How do these verification services like www.roomservice2000.com
verify your info? I'm assuming they call you job but what else
can they do? You could potentially setup a fake work operation
using a call service.

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24. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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I guess if you were real slick, you might be able to pull that off. However, that would mean having someone answering the phone to verify that you work at this fictitious business. Also, you would have to have a phony web site and work email. A lot of trouble to go through just to get the Good Housekeeping seal of approval that will only work with a few, mostly traveling or agency providers.

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25. "RE: More and more intrusive screening"
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   Great advice from most guys here. The only other thing I would add is that you should not simply hang up when you feel that they are prying into your personal affairs. Let them know that not only will they not be getting your business, but that you will tell 10 of your buddies about that girl or escort group and that they should avoid also unless they loosen up on the 20 questions. Maybe if enough guys give these meddlers a piece of their minds, they may change for the better.

Remember, it takes a village. LOL!

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